Linux-Advocacy Digest #619, Volume #33 Sun, 15 Apr 01 01:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: To Eric FunkenBush (Donn Miller)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (RTO Trainer)
ms linux? ("Rod")
Re: Windoze is dying.... (Bloody Viking)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze is dying.... ("Todd")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: ms linux? (Chad Everett)
Re: Fun With Old Laptops. (: (Bloody Viking)
Re: Fun With Old Laptops. (: (Bloody Viking)
Re: there's always a bigger fool (Chad Everett)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Bloody Viking)
Re: Phases (Roy Culley)
Re: Phases (Chad Everett)
Re: ms linux? ("Bluesky")
Re: MS and ISP's ("JS PL")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Microsoft uses Linux (Bloody Viking)
Re: Things Linux can't do! ("Chad Myers")
Re: Microsoft uses Linux (Bloody Viking)
Re: Impact of Internet ("Boris Dynin")
Re: To Eric FunkenBush ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: To Eric FunkenBush ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:51:29 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Eric FunkenBush
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JLI wrote:
> - gcc doesn't really support namespace. It just ingores the statememt "using
> namespace std;".
But it does support namespacesin general. There's just an absence of
namespace "std". Try to compile the attached code with g++ 2.95 or
higher. Now try qualifying the variables "a" and "message" with
"mine::" (or uncomment the "using" directive).
> gcc simpliy puts all names into the std namespace. This is a serious
> problem with gcc.
Not really. Since g++ doesn't support two different iostream classes,
there really isn't any need to differentiate between namespace types
with the std:: qualifier anyways. Otherwise, namespaces work properly.
With g++, <iostream> simply includes <iostream.h>. At least the g++
people could've put a
namespace std{
// include <iostream.h>
}
into <iostream>.
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#include <iostream>
namespace mine {
int a=10;
char message[] = "Namespace mine.\n";
}
int main()
{
// using namespace mine;
cout << "Hi there.\n";
cout << "a = " << a << endl;
cout << message;
return 0;
}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RTO Trainer)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:55:07 GMT
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:53:06 GMT, "billh"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> deposited in this place with
great ceremony:
>
>"Roberto Alsina"
>
>> How does eating fish on fridays connect to loving my neighbour?
>
>First, why don't you tell us all where in the Bible it states red meat can
>not be eaten on Fridays. Then I suggest you read Acts 10:9-16.
>
>
Anyone who wants a primer on Roman Catholic traditions, eachings,
doctrines and dogma can contact me in e-mail with their questions.
(I can't believe we're wasting bandwidth with this.)
RTO Trainer
31U, OKARNG 45th SIB
By the Grace of God and the Governor of the
Great State of Oklahoma, I am a THUNDERBIRD!
"I am a Signal Section of One!"
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From: "Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ms linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:56:43 +1200
http://www.mslinux.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Windoze is dying....
Date: 15 Apr 2001 03:02:51 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On time. On budget. Works. Pick two - or one in an emergency. :)
Kernel panic: no such file, device, or directory.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:04:25 -0400
RTO Trainer wrote:
>
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:53:06 GMT, "billh"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> deposited in this place with
> great ceremony:
>
> >
> >"Roberto Alsina"
> >
> >> How does eating fish on fridays connect to loving my neighbour?
> >
> >First, why don't you tell us all where in the Bible it states red meat can
> >not be eaten on Fridays. Then I suggest you read Acts 10:9-16.
> >
> >
> Anyone who wants a primer on Roman Catholic traditions, eachings,
> doctrines and dogma can contact me in e-mail with their questions.
>
> (I can't believe we're wasting bandwidth with this.)
I can.
That's the problem with us.military.army. Most of you are more interested
in sadistic attacks and knee-jerk contradiction than anything else.
Thus, you are doomed to suffer endless flamewars.
Hope that helps.
>
> RTO Trainer
> 31U, OKARNG 45th SIB
> By the Grace of God and the Governor of the
> Great State of Oklahoma, I am a THUNDERBIRD!
>
> "I am a Signal Section of One!"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze is dying....
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:06:40 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Ray Chason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ray Chason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/13/1236215&mode=thread
> >>
> >> Well, well, well. It seems the almighty Redmond Empire can't get
> >> its Xbox out on time.
> >
> >Did you bother reading the article?? There was *nothing* from any
official
> >sources (not even unofficial for that matter) that claimed XBOX would be
> >late.
>
> Does it matter? Suppose the Xbox did ship late, or not at all.
> Would this have any bearing on the future of Windoze?
>
> No?
>
> So why is Linux "dying" because of what happened to Indrema?
Ahhhh... now I see the point :)
I think what you are seeing is the Linux hype dying down in the press and
reality starting to hit companies. Companies that try to make a profit off
of Linux are failing or their stock almost completely devalued. Some
projects that used Linux are also failing (Indrema), etc.
Not to say that *everything* is going bad... some of the embedded stuff is
very successful.
> >Here is a quote from the article:
> >
> >"As with most rumors, there is little hard evidence backing up the theory
> >that Microsoft will miss it's fall launch, and Microsoft itself has said
> >that the Xbox is right on schedule if not slightly ahead of production
> >goals. "
> >
> >> Guess Windoze must be dying.
> >
> >Dream on.
>
> Yes, I realized as soon as I gave the command to post that I should
> have included some kind of explicit sarcasm marker.
Or something that ref`ed the original Indrema article... :)
-Todd
>
>
> --
> --------------===============<[ Ray
Chason ]>===============--------------
> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 03:09:23 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> That's the problem with us.military.army. Most of you are more interested
> in sadistic attacks and knee-jerk contradiction than anything else.
Unlike the simple task of pointing out your "war-hero" lies and idiocy,
wannabe.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: ms linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Apr 2001 21:59:23 -0500
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:56:43 +1200, Rod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>http://www.mslinux.org/
I am ready to buy mine! Can we place pre-release orders at your site?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fun With Old Laptops. (:
Date: 15 Apr 2001 03:19:05 GMT
Ray Chason ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Does your terminal program support X/Y/Zmodem? If so, check out the
: rz and sz programs.
Yes, but I can only use Xmodem as the term proggie returns an error of "not
enough memory" to use ZedModem. (zmodem) The laptop has 40M Ram and I have
Windows 3.1 installed. I already know about sx and sz as I'm a veteran shell
account user.
: Yet another way, and faster, is to use parallel ports. Go to Best Buy
: or CompUSA or the local equivalent and look for a "laplink cable"; I
: got one for about US$11.
I havn't tried that one as I don't know how to use it with DOS nor Linux.
: See the PLIP mini-HOWTO for instructions on setting this up. One
: important thing the PLIP mini-HOWTO doesn't say is that the parallel
: ports on both computers *must* be configured to use interrupts, both
: in the hardware and at the parport_pc module. The plip module will
: refuse to load on a port that uses polled I/O.
Sounds like a nightmare to configure. I think I'll skip that one. My using
mgetty and the term proggie seems enough of a miracle. (:
: I tried this between my laptop and an old 386SX that I dragged out of
: my closet (my main box doesn't have a free parallel port). I was
: able to copy a large tarball over NFS at about 12000 bytes per second,
: which can't hold a candle to Ethernet but is still faster than serial.
: That's using a unidirectional port at the 386SX; if both computers have
: bidirectional ports, PLIP may be even faster.
7.2 megs a minute is pretty good. I wish I could use ZedModem so that way, I
could do the crossload while sleeping, going out to bars, or whatever.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fun With Old Laptops. (:
Date: 15 Apr 2001 03:27:42 GMT
Donn Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Minix and FreeBSD support PLIP.
But the laptop in question is using DOS. Unless there is a PLIP util for DOS,
it does no good. So, I'm still stuck with the ol' null modem cord.
Since the serial fitting is so slow, I'll want to add one to the desktop so I
can transfer files and get on the net while I wait. What sucks is no ZedModem
capability so I can't even leave the machinery unattended for big file
transfers. (ZedModem == "zmodem" */ proprietary language use /*)
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Apr 2001 22:24:21 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nomen Nescio"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the real reason is right in there - the idiot ignored the message you
> get with every installer telling you to shut down all other programs
> before continuing with the install.
> if you think that guy would have got any further with linux you're
> living in a fucking fantasy world.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
>
I've chuckled over this since I read it. Microsoft has done a great
job of brainwashing: Hey, if you don't follow the directions on that
installation dialog and shut down other applications, your entire
OS get wiped out and you deserve it! Makes perfect sense! The fact
that someone would even try and defend this is just hilarious.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: 15 Apr 2001 03:51:17 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: But, by definition, that's not a crash.
: A crash is an undesired system failure.
: IF you write and install a script for a system which you own, which
: does this...then obviously, the system is exhibiting the desired
: behavior (for the owner), and thus, it's not really a crash.
By that definition, the Chinese kamakaze pilot that wrecked into that one spy
plane didn't crash n' burn. Neither is the case of a driver commiting suicide
by playing kamakaze and crashing the car into the telephone pole.
Both goofy examples are cases of crashing a vehicle on purpose.
On the old Commodore 64, I occasionally used the non-command "crash" to cause
an intentional computer crash with the programme. I used it mostly for a good
laugh instead of "end". It does illustrate an intentional computer crash
however. The operative here is _intended by the owner_ or in the case of the
fighter jet, intended by the driver/pilot. In the case of the Chinese
kamakaze, it's a "collision" but since both vehicles are inelastic, the result
was a crash of one of the vehicles.
In the case of the automotive kamakaze, one never says "he collided with the
telephone pole" but we always say "he crashed into the telephone pole on
purpose". My Aussie-extended English doesn't support the former, only the
latter. Given the real-life analogy, a script that causes a crash does cause a
valid crash, albeit intended by the owner. WHY one would want to crash a
computer on purpose is an entirelly different matter. But then again, why the
Chinese kamakaze didn't say "fuck you" to the air traffic controller and drive
to a safe spot is another story.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: Phases
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:55:51 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9b3afd$5e1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> No need for Linux here... I just installed a 'switch' to share my cable
> modem across my 4 win2000 machines... it has a built in firewall.
>
> Nobody can get at me now! Mwahahaha
And who configured the switch firewall functionality? What does it
allow in? Have you had someone test that it does what you think it
does? Does the switch keep state? Does it allow normal, non-passive,
ftp? Does it allow ICMP in? If yes what types? Can you use netmeeting?
Perhaps you should post the IP address you get from your ISP sometime
so that we can test your firewall for you. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Phases
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Apr 2001 22:41:57 -0500
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:55:51 +0200, Roy Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <9b3afd$5e1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> No need for Linux here... I just installed a 'switch' to share my cable
>> modem across my 4 win2000 machines... it has a built in firewall.
>>
>> Nobody can get at me now! Mwahahaha
>
>And who configured the switch firewall functionality? What does it
>allow in? Have you had someone test that it does what you think it
>does? Does the switch keep state? Does it allow normal, non-passive,
>ftp? Does it allow ICMP in? If yes what types? Can you use netmeeting?
>Perhaps you should post the IP address you get from your ISP sometime
>so that we can test your firewall for you. :-)
I already asked him for the IP address. Haven't heard from him since.
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From: "Bluesky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ms linux?
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:02:05 +0900
"Rod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:N98C6.3989$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.mslinux.org/
bwhahaahhah..... Great fun, Rod.
SN
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:11:43 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Look, martha...he still can't see it.
>
> Heheheheh
Look Martha, he still can't prove he's not a Windows98 luser.
Tee hee.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:13:39 GMT
"Ben L. Titzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> I thought the IDE was convenient as far as the integration of the
> compiler/linker/debugger and editor, but the Editor itself could be a
> pain, for exactly the reasons you describe. No way to manage multiple edit
> windows easily and damn it my mousewheel doesn't work! Another huge pain
> in the ass was mounting a folder from a SAMBA machine (my Linux
> fileserver). When saving a document, Borland would always check the
> timestamp on the file (on a different machine) and finding them different,
> would complain, often asking to reload the document. Every damn time you
> save something it would soon complain.
The answer to the problem is to set your Linux box up as a network time
server and sync your Windows box to it via the NET TIME command. Without it,
you'll run into the same problem with any source code control.
--
Tom Wilson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Microsoft uses Linux
Date: 15 Apr 2001 04:17:57 GMT
Matthias Warkus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I would expect Microsoft to be clueful enough not to outsource any
: crucial server operations to a company that uses outdated development
: kernels. Please!
I always lag behind in terms of kernels. I like kernels that are "tried and
true" instead of going for the bleeding-edge stuff. I never use the
2.odd-number.* kernels as those are test kernels but I always use the
2.even-number.* kernels. The result is my lag. Also, once I find a stable
kernel for a given box, such as 2.0.0 on my vintage Packrat Bell, I use it
_until the machine dies_. My junked IBM used 1.2.8 until it died for good. I
get conservative about kernels.
I tend to specialise in using outdated machinery only becuse of a low amount
of space in /dev/money. ): If my /dev/money was like /dev/full instead of
/dev/null I would use up to date machinery. But I would use older kernels
and/or distros that are time-tested. That's becuse I like reliability.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
------------------------------
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:05:55 GMT
"Bloody Viking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9bb5rl$h6d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : But, by definition, that's not a crash.
>
> : A crash is an undesired system failure.
>
> : IF you write and install a script for a system which you own, which
> : does this...then obviously, the system is exhibiting the desired
> : behavior (for the owner), and thus, it's not really a crash.
>
> By that definition, the Chinese kamakaze pilot that wrecked into that one spy
> plane didn't crash n' burn.
What? You mean the Chinese lied? *gasp* No!!
You mean that lumbering propeller-driven plane didn't make some miraculous
sudden maneuver and slam into the highly-agile MIG fighter jet?
NO! Surely you must be lying!
<grin>
-c
<snip: "a crash is still a crash" - Bloody Viking>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Microsoft uses Linux
Date: 15 Apr 2001 04:23:53 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Linux 2.1 (development) is a hell of a lot better than ANYTHING
: produced by Microsoft.
And 2.1.* is a _beta_ kernel. The fact that a 2.odd-number.* kernel is more
reliable than a _release_ of Windows * speaks volumes of MS-Crap(tm)
unreliability. I never use a ?.odd-number.* kernel becuse I want a known to
work kernel like the ?.even-number.* kernels.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
------------------------------
From: "Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:32:36 -0700
> Note that people DO use the web. They use it to obtain information,
> say to buy a car. In fact I think I recently read that almost half the
> people who buy a car do research online. But, they won't actually buy it
> until they get in and drive! Also, they aren't willing to pay to get that
> information.
I actually tried to by new car via Amazon. They were offering them at pretty
good price: 5-10% less than MSRP for base car + dealer's price (that's what
dealer pays) for options. Amazon promised to provide drive test for me, but
wasn't good on that promise. So I ended up going to local dealer for drive
test. I told them about Amazon price and they agreed to see me similarly
configured car for the same price. It saved me lots of nerves: I hate
bargaining with car dealers.
Boris
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Eric FunkenBush
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:39:45 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Then why does it compile and work correctly under g++ ??
> > >
> > > The compiler errors are pointing to an MI problem.
> >
> > No they're not. The errors are solely in the "String" class and the
global
> > friend operators that reference it. String is not a class that uses
> > multiple inheritance.
> >
> > It works in g++ because g++ doesn't have this bug (of course they have
no
> > namespace support at all, but that's a different story).
>
> Go back and look at the provided code... namespace is supported.
g++ ignores namespaces. Try this:
#include <fstream>
ifstream i; // this should generate an error because you don't specify a
namespace
std::ifstream i2;
Note that both compile just fine. This is because g++ accepts namespace
syntax but ignores it as a no-op.
> > > If you declare a
> > > main class, then create two more classes that rely on the main class,
> > > then create a third level class below all of these that require
methods
> > > from both upper classes, you are needing access to both classes
private
> > > members as declared as such.
> >
> > What you are describing is not MI, but rather the "Diamond" pattern
virtual
> > single inhertitance.
> >
> > Further, private class members are *NOT* accessible by derived classes,
MI
> > or not, unless they are friend functions. That's the point of private
over
> > protected members.
> >
>
> I understand that part.
Then what was your point?
> > > If MS C++ can't do it but g++ can, I see a
> > > problem in MS compiler....
> >
> > Or a bug in the g++ compiler, allowing it to do something that violates
the
> > standard. But, I suspect that even g++ doesn't allow what you are
> > describing. And it's certainly not anything related to the sample you
gave.
> >
> > > also in the book it provided MetroWerks
> > > compiler as well and it too works on this example. In the book it
> > > explains that these work under a lot of different UNIX compilers as
well
> > > and gives gcc or g++ commands and options.
> >
> > Yes, MetroWerks is a good compiler.
> >
> > > Again, MS C++ compiler has a problem.
> >
> > I already said it has a problem, the infamous friend/namespace bug. It
has
> > *NOTHING* to do with MI. Nothing.
>
> Then why did Stephan Prata put this one and only program in his book
> under Multiple Inheritance then? Its one of the things it was trying to
> teach.
The example uses MI (which is why it's listed under the MI section), but the
error under VC has nothing to do with MI at all. If you remove the String
class (which doesn't use MI) but leave the MI code in (make sure to remove
the global operators that reference String), you'll see it compiles just
fine.
> > I'll say it again, you should stop arguing such things with people that
know
> > a lot more than you do. You're just being made to look foolish.
>
> Hardly, you haven't proven anything... a guy that comes off saying "How
> great I am" and telling others they don't know what they are talking
> about is the biggest fool of all.
I'm not saying how great I am. I'm saying how little you know, and it's
very obvious.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Eric FunkenBush
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:52:22 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 03:24:16 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >Your example uses templates. That is most likely the issue, not the
MI.
> > VC
> > > >is a pre-standard compiler, and as such cannot be expected to conform
to
> > a
> > > >standard that did not exist when it was written.
> > >
> > > And what is amazing is that Microsoft does not have plans to ever
release
> > > a standards compliant C/C++ compiler.
> >
> > Why do you bitch about MS? *NOBODY* has released a fully conformant
> > compiler yet.
> >
> > VC7 will conform in almost all ways except Partial Template
Specialization
> > and the export keyword.
>
> Which makes it almost useless in a general production environment.
For some, but as of today, very few people even use the STL, much less their
own templates.
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