Linux-Advocacy Digest #715, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 20:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Eric
Bennett)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Joe Kiser")
Re: Double standard? ("Joe Kiser")
Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane.. ("Joe Kiser")
Cool Idea ("Joe Kiser")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Jack
Troughton)
Re: How low can they go...?
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane.. (Glitch)
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:34:34 -0400
C Lund wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Another republican living in an ivory tower.
> > Fuck you. I've never been a republican.
>
> You sure sound like one.
That's because of the particular issues we've been discussing. Try
asking him about censorship and he'll probably sound like a Democrat.
--
Eric Bennett ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.pobox.com/~ericb )
Field of Biochemistry, Cornell University
I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "ask".
- Bill Gates, in his deposition in US v. Microsoft
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From: "Joe Kiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:36:41 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, fungus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...that's MORE EXPENSIVE than Windows 2000 Professional.
Kinda OT, but does the upgrade install over Win95?
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From: "Joe Kiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Double standard?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:39:46 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Which is more important?
>
> A user interface issue or an OS stability issue?
The OS should focus on stability before the developers even think of
adding nifty features.
That's not saying that an OS built from the ground up with an integrated
GUI can't be stable though. Just that you don't want to go around coding
a graphical CDPlayer or XMMS if the core of the OS sucks bad.
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From: "Joe Kiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane..
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:46:35 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Use Linux?
>
> Yea sure, and I would love to drive that 1975 Chrysler you have sitting
> in your garage.
If Linux is a 1975 Chrysler, Windows is a piece-of-shit-engine tuperware
framed Volkswagon Beetle.
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From: "Joe Kiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cool Idea
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:48:11 -0500
X Windows should support moving the mouse awound with the arrow keys on
the keyboard and clicking with the Ctrl/Win/Alt keys. Then I wouldn't
have to leave the keyboard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:48:27 -0400
C Lund wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Another republican living in an ivory tower.
> > Fuck you. I've never been a republican.
>
> You sure sound like one.
>
> > As for ivory towers...I've been flat broke a couple times in my
> > life. The difference between me and welfare slobs is realizing
> > that
>
> I wasn't talking about "welfare slobs", I was talking about the working poor.
The only "working poor" are those who either
A) refuse to work enough
B) refuse to do work that pays well.
C) Spend all of their money on stupid shit like new cars they can't
afford, dumb-ass gold jewelry, etc.
>
> > A) There was only one person responsible for me getting into the mess:
> > ME and
> > B) The only person who can truly get me out is: ME.
>
> And sometimes "ME" is not enough. Sometimes you fail for no fault of your own.
I've failed many times. Big fucking deal.
Being broke is a momentary condition
Poverty is a way of life.
Any body who is "in poverty" is there because they CHOOSE TO LIVE
that lifestyle.
>
> > > When you work a full-time job and *still* can't afford to pay the rent,
> > > you're among the working poor. Some even have *two* full-time jobs and are
> > If you're working a full-time job and *still* can't afford to pay
> > the rent, then I might suggest getting rid of the car with $700/month
> > payments,
>
> Car? No car.
I lived for YEARS as an adult without a car.
So, what's your point.
>
> > and quit blowing the rest on booze/drugs/hookers or whatever
> > the fuck it is that you're wasting your money on.
>
> You don't need to be doing drugs/booze/hookers/whatever to be among hte
> working �poor. All it takes is having a job that pays very little. If
...you forgot *AND* making sure that you never work full time.
> you're trying to raise a kid or two, then you're even worse off.
TOUGH SHIT! IF you can't afford kids, don't have them.
If you do...then do the right thing and put them up for adoption.
>
> > One can go practically *anywhere* and find living quarters for
> > less than $200/month. Will it be a mansion? Of course not.
> > So what. If that's all you can afford, then THAT is where
> > you stay...deal with it.
>
> You also need to eat. You need clothes. You need water. You might have
Cry me a river. All that costs less than $200/month.
> kids, and they cost a small fortune on their own.
TOUGH SHIT! IF you can't afford kids, don't have them.
If you do...then do the right thing and put them up for adoption.
>
> > > barely capable of making ends meet. Not because of laziness. Not because
> > > they have expencive habits or do drugs or buy crap they can't afford, but
> > > simply because they don't get paid very much. When you have two full-time
> > > jobs, you don't have the time to go looking for a better job. In fact,
> > > those one or two jobs might be the only ones you could get. Not everybody
> > > has a rich daddy who could pay for college. Not everybody qualifies for a
> > > scholarship. And not everybody had a life situation that allowed them to
> > > get a proper education. Life is tough on some people whetehr they deserve
> > > it or not.
> > You are truly out of touch with fucking reality.
>
> Your "they're poor because they deserve to be poor" attitude is what's out
> of touch with reality.
Being broke is a passing inconvenience.
POVERTY IS A WAY OF LIFE.
In this country, anybody who was poor 3 years ago, and is still poor
today
is in such a situation for no reason other than their own poor
decisions.
If you're really that desperate, go get a second job.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:58:06 -0400
Eric Bennett wrote:
>
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline"
> > > > >> doesn't always work.
> > > > >
> > > > >Then expel them.
> > > >
> > > > Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise
> > > > educational standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance"
> > > > statistics by hiding weaker students from those statistics. In
> > > > short, this is a scam, because it doesn't do anything to increase
> > > > the nation's education level. It merely makes certain statistics
> > > > easier to misapply.
> > > >
> > > > >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> > > > >> schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> > > > >
> > > > >Where they will serve as an example to others.
> > > >
> > > > "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system
> > > > was to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to
> > > > publically execute them or stone them to death ?
> > > >
> > > > Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer
> > > > exists in civilised countries.
> > > >
> > > > >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids
> > > > >> about
> > > > >
> > > > >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> > > >
> > > > What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I
> > > > don't recall any given view being "pushed".
> > >
> > > Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
> >
> > Why are all those scientists telling lies?
Why don't you ask them. Like last week, some blowhard scientist said
that the "hole' in the north pole icecap was the "first time" that
the pole has been ice free in 5,000,000 years.
1. The "hole" is pretty suspicious...why is a 2-mile diameter surface
of polar sea CLEARED OF ICE while the rest of the ice-cap is intact?
File under: Lies of ommission (failing to mention that this hole
was obviously cleared by some sort of ice breakers)
2. On what basis is this EcoPropagandist making the claim that the
north pole has been ice-covered for the last 5,000,000 years. Did he
find a secret weather station at the North Pole with 5,000,000 years
of records?
It's quite obvious that this asshole is lying through his teeth.
The better question is why do you accept his bullshit as "TRVTH"???
>
> Haven't you learned to anticipate the answer to these sorts of questions
> by now? They must be part of a left-wing conspiracy, just like
> teachers.
You must of missed it last year when a SCIENTIST wrote a letter to
the editor of Sierra Club's house organ, pondering whether or not
the environmental movement's policy of spreadking lies and
disinformation
is ethical or not.
Apparently, many on the left believe that it is PERFECTLY ethical
to tell lies as long as it advances the leftist agenda.
>
> But I think it's clear that there are environmentalists out there who
> look at certain scientific measurements or trends and draw unjustified
> conclusions about causality. Likewise there are people on the other
Drawing unjustified conclusions? Try WHOLESALE FABRICATION.
> side who pretend that even the measurements don't exist.
>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:58:47 -0400
david raoul derbes wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> >> > > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between school
> >> > > teachers in the US, and, say, the french education minister, to
> >> > > make the french students superior to the US ones?
> >> >
> >> > The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
> >>
> >> What's the NEA?
> >
> >National Education Association, the leftist union that controls the
> >teaching establishment.
> >
> >Read any of their publications, and it is quite obvious that they are
> >a bunch of Marxists.
>
> I am a high school teacher, and a member of the American Federation of
> Teachers (another teacher's union, to the left of the NEA.)
>
> I confess, I am a Marxist, in fact, a Marxist-Lennonist. My heroes are
> Groucho, Harpo and John. And to quote the great Marx,
>
> "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book. Inside a dog, it's
> too dark to read."
> "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
> "Hello, I must be going..."
>
> David ['Vperyod revolyutsaia!'] Derbes
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Glad you admit it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 23:08:13 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:53:38 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I don't
>> recall any given view being "pushed".
>
>Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
Lies such as ? I was never "pushed lies" in my school.
>> >Pro-homosexuality propaganda
>>
>> Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you offered no
>
>Ever hear of AIDS?
(a) Ever hear of condoms ?
(b) Ever hear of a heterosexual with AIDS ?
(c) I still don't see how AIDs would be considered a problem under your
ideology. It seems to be the perfect way of cleansing the world of
the sexually immoral and their "genetically inferior" offspring.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Troughton)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:26:14 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:18:31, javelina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jack Troughton wrote:
>
>> Wow, are you guys ever arrogant.
>
>Arrogance is a hallmark of CSMA.
>
>Last Friday I bought a sage iMac. Not only
>is it better than any PC of any kind, but
>anyone who bought a blue, red, white, or
>graphite iMac is a complete loser!
>
>Sage is where it's at.
I'm coming in from c.o.o.a; os2.advocacy. Pre-emptive multi-tasking
and excellent memory management are where it's at.
Not to mention a desktop metaphor that rivals if not exceeds that of
the MacOS.
I can actually run current software, despite the fact my PC is over
five years old now... which is a good thing: I'd rather spend the
money on my kids than on my computer.
--
==========================================================
* Jack Troughton jake at jakesplace.dhs.org *
* http://jakesplace.dhs.org ftp://jakesplace.dhs.org *
* Montr�al PQ Canada news://jakesplace.dhs.org *
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:29:16 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:36:22 +0100, Robert Moir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"fungus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jen wrote:
>> >
>> > On 22 Aug 2000 16:46:42 -0700, petilon
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Many MS supporters opposed the idea of NCs
>> >
>> > Not to mention the buying public. Just ask Larry.
>>
>>
>> The MS supporters prefer to keep handing over their $$$
>> to get their hands on "the only(sic) operating system
>> designed just for you and your home PC."
>>
>> http://shop.microsoft.com/product/windows/msline.htm
>>
>> $289 for Windows ME...
>>
>> ...that's MORE EXPENSIVE than Windows 2000 Professional.
>>
>>
>> I don't want to get overly cynical here[1] but it seems to
>> me like this is a marketing excercise to find out just how
>> ignorant/gullible the "buying public" really is.
>
>I don't want to sound overly cynical either but I just clicked that link
>above and it told me the price for a full copy of Windows ME is �209. Thats
Slowly and carefully re-read the message you are responding to...
>if you want to buy a new copy, not an upgrade, and you cannot get it via an
>OEM source (which will be the case for most people) - I still think thats
>expensive myself, but you would appear to be in the wrong.
>
>Seems like we might like spending our money but at least we can tell the
>truth instead of making fools of ourselves by spreading fud thats so very
>easily debunked.
>
>
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 23:33:52 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:52:42 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise educational
>> standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance" statistics by
>
>You don't understand the purpose of punishment, do you.
>
>It serves as a warning to others not to follow in the offenders'
>footsteps.
The idea that the purpose of punishment was to "make examples" of people
is long gone in most civilised countries.
The purpose of punishment is actually to provide a disincentive to certain
behaviours.
>> hiding weaker students from those statistics. In short, this is a scam,
>
>They get counted in the statistics:
>
>"Ill-behaved losers who didn't graduate because they
> were kicked out of school"
Whatever. I don't see how this would increase educational standards. It
would raise average SAT scores by excluding bad points from the data set,
but whether the top percent of the population ( including those who
got kicked out ) would do any better or not is unclear.
I guess discipline varies from school to school, but my school was
quite effective at handling disruptive students.
In fact on this count, I'd say America was a winner ( at least in the
school that I attended ) -- my high school
in the states gave teachers more authority than my high school in
Australia. ( and it was a public school ) Teachers were authorised
to give out detentions to students. Students who got too many detentions
were temporarily removed from normal classes -- they had to work in the
"corrective learning" room where constant silence was a requirement,
making it difficult for them to screw things up for others.
The school also minimised "free time" ( just a half-hour lunch break )
emphasising extra-curricular activities instead.
Personally, I think "free time" ( excluding a quick lunch break, and/or
"study hall" ) is a bad thing, because it creates a golden opportunity
for the bullies who have nothing better to do to harrass other students.
Basically, I think naively trying to increase the amount of expulsions
wouldn't do much to help school discipline. There are a number of small
changes that need to be made first.
The small things are *VERY* important
( speaking as someone who teaches at a University ). Do you remember the
proverb: "Give him an inch and he'll take a mile" ? Brutal discipline is
not nearly as effective as timely discipline. For example, if two students
are having a verbal shouting match that ends in a brawl, a harsh punishment
for brawling doesn't help very much. Discipline should come before problems
escalate like this. If the first student to make an inappropriate remark
in class was disciplined immediately, this kind of thing would be much
less likely to happen.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 23:35:23 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:51:01 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >Because to "fix" it European or Oriental style means giving MORE
>> >control to the same people who are fucking it up already.
>>
>> How so ?
>
>Government bureaucrats are the ones who fucked up the schools
>in the first place--especially at the Federal level!
So you are trying to argue that the democratically elected government are
involved in a sinister communist conspiracy to infiltrate and destroy
the US education system ?
--
Donovan
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:45:37 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane..
OSguy wrote:
>
> Glitch wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Shit, what do you expect for $1.99?
> > >
> > > Billy
> >
> > RH charges upwards of $180 I believe for a version of their distro.
>
> Glitch, you just lost all credibility in quoting prices. Anything to
> make your $170 Win2K upgrade look cheap huh?
I like Linux. Billy says b/c some CDs of Linux cost $2 that they are
cheap in quality as well as price. To counter that I said that *a*
version of RH is $180. For one thing, you verified that by specifying
the Secure Server was indeed that price. Secondly,I did not specify
which version; I only said a version of RH. My statement was completely
valid. I did not specify the lower priced versions as I wanted Billy to
realize that not all versions of Linux are cheap, and even if they are
it doesn't mean their quality is.
>
> The following prices are complete versions that can be used for
> upgrading or new installs:
>
> Prices that I have found tonight.
>
> Redhat Standard Edition $30 - suitable for majority of new users.
>
> Redhat Professional Edition $80 - suitable for newbies that need that
> 90-day E-mail support from RedHat (Word to Wise, not worth it!).
>
> Redhat Secure Server - $180 - suitable for newbies who need the
> E-commerce transaction software & secure server (Like a whole lot of
> newbies will go for this one).
>
> > Suse charges around $30 i believe.
> > Debian I'm not sure.
> > Slackware I'm not sure.
> >
> > All of them are downloadable, execept for the higher end RH versions.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> All of them are downloadable,
Exactly what I said.
> including all RH versions (secure server
> disk not available for download).
gee, I could have swore that is what I said. All of them can be
downloaded except for the higher end RH versions. I added an 's' to the
end of "version", so sue me.
> Right Now you can download Redhat's
> 6.9.5 Beta (which I'm using now with the linux-2.4.0smp-test6 kernel)
> and Redhat's 6.9.5 Powertools.
>
> Suse wants $50 for the version 6.4 (Version 7.0 available in September).
I paid $30 for Suse 6.2 at a computer show when I'd say 6.2 was the
latest one out.
>
> Debian 2.2 will be available for $6 (3 CDs) from www.cheapbytes.com
> [Note: Debian doesn't distribute their own CDs].
I'm off the hook with the rest of this as I already said I wasn't sure
about Debian and Slackware.
>
> All these distros will be available from www.cheapbytes.com at a price
> of around $1.99/disk. The newer distros will be available in September.
>
> BTW, Debian 2.2 and Redhat 6.9.5 Beta (Pinstripe) CD iso images are
> available now, so if you have fast ADSL or T1 connection, it might be
> worth downloading and burning your own CDs.
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