Linux-Advocacy Digest #715, Volume #30 Thu, 7 Dec 00 11:13:05 EST
Contents:
A lurker's 2 cents ("BcB")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Swangoremovemee)
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Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (Swangoremovemee)
What if Linux wasn't free? (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux ("Adam Ruth")
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From: "BcB" <youdon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A lurker's 2 cents
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:00:57 +0500
Sorry about the length of this but I just wanted to point this out. If the
linux community doesn't want people coming back as WinTrolls then I think
that this is the approach that needs to be taken. Teach the man to fish
- plus he is willing to learn and try - not discard it because it is
different.
Just my $0.02
Chris
In article <hYMX5.1006$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Anders Lund"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steven wrote:
>
>> HI!
>>
>> I have been a Windows user all my life (do I hear snarling?) I
>> Installed linux mandrake on my second system, and it appears to be
>> running fine!
>>
>> What I am looking for is a web site or any sources of information that
>> will help me to learn about Linux Mandrake, as I do not have a clue how
>> to use the system!
>>
>
> You allready have a lot of information installed! Go into the K menu ->
> Documentation and read the mandrake manual and reference. Take a peak at
> some HOWTOs, they are highly valuable docs when you get in trouble.
>
> Then launch Konqueror and go into your /usr/share/doc/ directory and
> look for the Linux FAQ, and look at some of the folders, many of them
> contains user documentation in html, text or ps/pdf format. For example
> there's a book about Samba, really nice information for the Image
> Magick image manipulation tools, developer references and docs for KDE
> and Qt if you installed the devel packages, and on and on..
>
> Launch KDE Helpcenter and read through the introduction if you use KDE,
> and look through some of the application manuals.
>
> Launch a terminal and look at some unix manuals, for example to view the
> manual for the ls program which lists files, type man ls
>
> Try using the apropos command which looks up manuals for a keyword: if
> you want to know about samba from unix manuals, type apropos samba to
> get a list of (maybe) relevant manual pages.
>
> Don't be afraid to try man man to learn about the unix manual system.
>
> Many manuals tells you to look at the textinfo documentations as well,
> don't be shy! start out with info info to learn about using textinfo.
>
> man and textinfo are exited by typing a "q".
>
> Some links: http://www.mandrakeuser.org http://www.linux-mandrake.com
>
> http://www.linuxdoc.org http://www.firstlinux.com
> http://www.linuxstart.com
>
> Many of the major software packages have nice websites, if you like to
> create images with the GIMP, go to http://www.gimp.org and look for the
> tutorials, examples and documentation pages for example.
>
> have fun,
>
> -anders
--
In the Land of Penguins
"A speech is like a love affair. Any fool can start it, but
to end it requires considerable skill."
--Lord Mancroft
System Uptime:
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:11:52 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 05:36:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> No-Spam wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:14:20 -0500, Dennis Popov
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >another claire wannabe, huh? all right people, whoever tries to argue
>with
>> >this troll will immediately be labeled as a total moron.
>> Nope its the Wintroll himself, accept no subsitutes!
>
>Thought it looked markedly familiar, what with the "x-no-archive"
>attribute, and the same unimaginative script.
Who the hell is Claire?
I always set the no archive bit in all of my posts, so what?
It's a simple check box in the latest version of Agent, but I'll bet
you have to edit some text file to do it with slrn.
What a strange bunch of Catz inhabit this group. They can't debate
worth a shit so they go on header hunts.
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:13:19 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:43:33 GMT, "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Only a moron installs a new operating system without reading the freaking
>manual first. Someone like.... Claire!
>
>Bracy
And only a true idiot would continue to actually use it after seeing
what a lame piece of junk Linux is.
So who is Claire?
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:18:09 GMT
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:03:12 -0700, "Keith W. Peterson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>. In the
>two weeks since I have had Linux, I have spent double the time on the Linux
>system because it just kicks butt!
I'll bet you have, it most likely took you that long to figure out how
to get it to dial the internet.
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What if Linux wasn't free?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:24:22 GMT
Would anyone but nerds be interested?
I doubt it.
The only reason the big companies are jumping on the Linux bandwagon
is because they figure if it catches on (doubtful at best) they can
make a buck selling hardware and services.
It has such a dismal market share amongst desktop users now, that if
it were commercial it would be dead by now.
Point is Linux can't even be given away because no desktop user in his
right mind (programmers are not in their right minds) would want it.
As Redhat and SuSE and Corel move toward commercializing Linux, and
don't kid yourself that is their ultimate goal, to make money, Linux
will be even deader than it is now.
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:26:23 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> >
> > [snips]
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > 63,000 bugs? Got a cite for that?
> > > > >
> > > > > It came direct from a Microsoft kernel programmer.
> > > >
> > > > Really? What was his name?
> > >
> > > Kelsey Bjarnason.
> >
> > Really? Funny; I know a few of the developers at MS; you'd think one of
>
> YOu really are fucking clueless.
And *this* is your support for your claim about the 63,000 "bugs", is it?
No wonder nobody takes you seriously.
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:35:14 +0000
Swango wrote:
> I'll save you the time, it doesn't work.
>
> You still don't get the smooth anti-aliased looking fonts that you do
> under Windows.
>
> Linux is painful to look at, nevermind even worse to use.
This (the lack of font anti-aliasing) is going to be fixed *soon*.
http://xfree86.org/~keithp/render/session.html
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I have to warn you up front that I'm pretty sure you're full of crap, but
it might still be interesting to see your argument.
-- Bill Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:57:44 -0700
"That isn't good".
Allow me to illustrate:
200 servers, max 6 weeks up time = average of 4.76 servers crashing daily
(under the best conditions). Shall we examine the cost in manpower to work
with those servers? The cost in lost productivity?
The piss poor programming is in IIS, Exchange, and spooler. All Microsoft
piss poor programming, isn't it....
It's amazing how Windows users are conditioned to accept and even expect
instability.
"Jon Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:C4yX5.510459$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Four months of uptime. Wow! Tell me that isn't good. I don't give a
shit
> if Solaris can stay up for a year, four months is a LONG TIME.....
>
> ... on the other hand, if a service cannot start up where it left off when
> the reboot occurs, you run into problems. But then, that would just be
piss
> poor programming, wouldn't it.....
>
> Jon
>
>
> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90dr8a$b7q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > False.
> > > A properly configured Win2K has no problems staying up for as long as
> you
> > > like.
> > > The only reason it's not up for years is because it's less than a year
> in
> > > the market.
> >
> > I have to disagree with you here. My 2 cents, from my experience.
> >
> > I've been involved with the set up of more than 200 NT Servers, about 5
> 2000
> > Servers, and 5 Linux Servers. Most of the NT Servers were at a bank (I
> was
> > on their Y2K project).
> >
> > Not 1 of the NT Servers was up more than 6 weeks. Actually, that's not
> > true, one SQL Server remained up for 3 months but had to be moved. So I
> > guess kudos for whomever set up that machine. Some of the rest of the
> > machines had scheduled reboots anywhere from every night to every couple
> of
> > weeks. This was to prevent them crashing in the middle of the day.
Most
> of
> > the time, they didn't crash, though, it's just that a service died and
> > couldn't be restarted. I shook with fear everytime I clicked 'Stop' in
> the
> > Services Control Panel.
> >
> > The 2000 Servers fared better, though, I think that on has been up for
> about
> > 4 months. I'm not really sure, I'm not with that company anymore. But
> most
> > of them have had to be rebooted for the same 'dead service' reason. It
> may
> > be stable if you NEVER EVER EVER TOUCH IT, but that just doesn' t happen
> in
> > the real world.
> >
> > The Linux Servers are another matter entirely. Never has one of them
> > crashed. The 1st server I set up has been up for 192 days now. And
I've
> > upgraded the database server, the web server, the ssh server, the dns
> > server, and the mail server. Nary a reboot. The only times the other's
> > have been down is to be moved, or someone uplugged them, or a hardware
> > failure.
> >
> > Anyway, that's my 'real world' experience. Your mileage may vary.
> >
> > Adam Ruth
> >
> >
>
>
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