Linux-Advocacy Digest #741, Volume #28 Tue, 29 Aug 00 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Ex-Microsoft employees report Unix is all around.... ("ostracus")
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Gary Hallock)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers ("Jerry O'Quinn")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Bob Hauck)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Bob Hauck)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform (abraxas)
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From: "ostracus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ex-Microsoft employees report Unix is all around....
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:12:09 -0500
"Ex-Microsoft employees report Unix is all around as Bobby eats lamb
alone "
Cringely is at it again.
Take it for what it's worth.
http://www.InfoWorld.com/articles/op/xml/00/08/28/000828opcringe.xml
--
There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire
become a great writer.
When asked to define "great" he said, "I want to write stuff that
the whole world will read, stuff that people will react to on a
truly emotional level, stuff that will make them scream, cry, howl
in pain and anger!"
He now works for Microsoft, writing error messages.
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:13:56 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
>
> These opinions were honest and sincerely stated. Whether they are
> correct or not is an entirely different question. Several points in
> those remarks, I would no longer agree with in the context in which they
> were given, though I give no guarantees of their lack of accuracy
> otherwise. Your insistence that I'm being dishonest in having or
> stating these opinions simply because you disagree with them or consider
> them an unfair indictment of KDE or later changed my opinion is, I'm
> almost afraid to say, an example of your failure to rise to the
> intellectual challenge of our "game".
>
> I'm afraid nobody's going to be offering you any parting gifts, dude.
>
So you are claiming that it is perfectly acceptable to make statements which
are libelous and totally false as long as you are totally ignorant of the
reality of the situation and even though you know you are ignorant?
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:18:15 GMT
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:20:55 +0100, C Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > D) Just can't find a job that pays enough.
>> Haven't checked the want-ads any time in the last 20 years, have ya...
>
>Not everybody gets to be a brain surgeon, you know.
>
>> > > I've failed many times. Big fucking deal.
>> > So how did you get back up?
>
>I repeat: How did you get back up?
>
>> > > Being broke is a momentary condition
>> > > Poverty is a way of life.
>> > A way of life few if any choose.
>> Yes, the dooooooooo choose it. They choose to NOT do what it
>> takes to not be a poverty-stricken loser. They choose NOT to
>> pay attention in school.
>
>Some make that choise, and I have little pity for them. Others do poorly
>in school because their teachers hate them, or because they're afraid to
>go to school, and some do well in school and still end up among the
>working poor.
>
>> They choose NOT to get work in any number
>> of low-skill high-paying jobs (admittedly, the work SUCKS, but,
>> that's precisely why the pay is so high).
>
>Or maybe the low-skill high-paying jobs are all taken. Hmm.. I hear all
>you need to become a plumber in the US is put up a sign on your door
>saying "plumber". Is that true?
The local Unions and licencing boards might have a problem with
that. You can't even declare yourself a 'barber' in most states
these days: nevermind skilled trades.
>
>> > > Any body who is "in poverty" is there because they CHOOSE TO LIVE
>> > > that lifestyle.
>> > Bullshit. Pure self-centered bullshit.
>> Name ONE adult who is in poverty who would still be there no matter
>> what choices and actions they made in their life.
>> Almost all of those in poverty are those who CHOSE to not apply
>> themselves in school.
>
>All it takes is a teacher who doesn't like you and gives you poor grades
>no matter what you do. Anddon't tell me that doesn't happen. And good
>grades in school is not a garantee for a wellpaid job later in life.
It takes a bit more than that. Even people with relatively
weak academic performance can still go on to achieve useful
professional certifications and acquire reasonably quite good
salaries.
A person's immediate circle of influences is far more likely
to have a good or bad effect on one's eventual success.
>
>> > The working poor *do* work full time. That's why they're called "working
>> > poor".
>> What part of "living beyond one's means" do you not understand?
>
>What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
Living well should never need to imply "beyond one's means".
>
>> > Get real. The urge to procreate is *the* strongest urge in every single
>> > speices on the face of the earth. And you want people to ignore it so they
>> > can fit into your little world?
>> Hey, the same liberals who complain about the plight of "the poor"
>> are the same ones who fought for and won the right to unrestricted
>> abortion.
>
>> So...if you can't afford to have a kid...
>> sit down, shut up and get an abortion.
>
>Climb down from your ivory tower.
Alternately, one could give it up for adoption.
That is a matter of family experience 'from the gutter', BTW.
>
>> > > If you do...then do the right thing and put them up for adoption.
>> >
>> > How is *that* the right thing? That's about the worst thing you can do to
>> > a newborn child. Jeez...
>
>> Oh, really.
>
>> Taking the child out of a cockroach- and rat-infested shithole, to
>> be raised in the household of a married couple who actually have
>> a clue about how to successfully function in life, and, more
>> importantly, pay the bills, keep food on the table, and keep the
>> house and food-supply free of insects and rodents,.....you say
>> that this is the "worst thing you can do to a newborn child"???
>>
>> How about leaving it in the custody of a drunken crackwhore who
>> "forgets" to feed the kid because she's too busy gettin' spacey.
>
>I wasn't talking about drunken crackwhores. I was talking about the
>working poor.
Sometimes, a cockroach and rat infested shithole is what
constitutes "living within one's means". Faulting the
non-working (or even non-working) poor is not useful.
>
>> > Many of the working poor have two jobs.
>> What part of "living beyond one's means" do you not understand
>
>What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
It's time for Mr. "living beyond one's means" to back up
those generalities with data. It might be intriguing to
see what this person thinks the 'lower classes' should be
willing to put up with.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
|||
/ | \
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From: "Jerry O'Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:24:19 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED].
..
> My biggest problem w/ friends who bring me their fucked up computers is
> after I restore windoze to plead with them not to install every piece of
> crap software like IE that comes their way.
Can you image what would happen if you forced any distribution of Linux down
their throats...
> W95 lets any program corrupt any file at any time.
Not true at all. Ever hear of file locking and sharing. It is fully
implemented on Windows 9x which also includes volume locking. In fact, the
ability to lock and share files has been around since DOS.
> The 386
> architecture had
> been out for nearly ten years and MS should be ashamed for not using > it.
They did. It was called Windows NT. I'll give you that it was a little
ridiculous that Intel went thru three processor generations before MS
shipped a consumer 32-bit OS.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:30:25 -0400
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > Gary Hallock wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike Marion wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gary Hallock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It is a funny segment, but I hope you don't take it seriously. It is
> > > > > obviously staged.
> > > >
> > > > I wouldn't say it's staged. Heavily edited to mostly show the moronic
> > > > answers, since they get the laughs... but not staged per se.
> > >
> > > It may not be staged in the sense of the people being given a script. But
> >
> > Our K-12 classes are being taught be "teachers" who they themselves
> > can't pass simple tests of basic knowledge, and you're thinking that
> > their (former) pupils need a script to look stupid???
> >
> > > the people know what the segment is about and know that they are expected to
> > > give a dumb answer. They also know that dumb anwsers will likely give them
> > > their 15 minutes (or in this case, a few seconds) or fame.
> >
> > Try this: Go out to a coffee shop some time, strike up conversations
> > with people, and ask some simple questions like "who was president
> > during
> > the Civil War?" and see what kind of answers you get.
> >
>
> I have no doubt that there are people who lack basic knowledge and who couldn't
> answer who was president during the Civil War. However, anyone who thinks that
> Jay Leno asking people questions on the street provides useful data is as dumb or
> dumber.
Try repeating Jay's experiments on your own. You would be surprised.
My Russian tutor (immigrant) had her own observation. It was just
after Columbus Day, and she was telling me about the other day in the
store, she asked people who Columbus was, and she was appalled at how
many people couldn't give her the correct answer.
>
> Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:31:16 -0400
C Lund wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > D) Just can't find a job that pays enough.
> > Haven't checked the want-ads any time in the last 20 years, have ya...
>
> Not everybody gets to be a brain surgeon, you know.
Spare me the Marxist bullshit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:31:49 -0400
C Lund wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Which ng are you two posting from anyway? I'm on CSMA. I'm not sure what
> > No wonder you write like a hand-wringing pansy.
>
> And what should I say about somebody who writes like a smug,
> self-centered, holier-than-thou right-wing extremist?
>
You'll figure it out when you actually meet one.
> --
>
> C Lund
> http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:35:54 -0400
C Lund wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > D) Just can't find a job that pays enough.
> > Haven't checked the want-ads any time in the last 20 years, have ya...
>
> Not everybody gets to be a brain surgeon, you know.
>
> > > > I've failed many times. Big fucking deal.
> > > So how did you get back up?
>
> I repeat: How did you get back up?
>
> > > > Being broke is a momentary condition
> > > > Poverty is a way of life.
> > > A way of life few if any choose.
> > Yes, the dooooooooo choose it. They choose to NOT do what it
> > takes to not be a poverty-stricken loser. They choose NOT to
> > pay attention in school.
>
> Some make that choise, and I have little pity for them. Others do poorly
> in school because their teachers hate them, or because they're afraid to
> go to school, and some do well in school and still end up among the
> working poor.
>
> > They choose NOT to get work in any number
> > of low-skill high-paying jobs (admittedly, the work SUCKS, but,
> > that's precisely why the pay is so high).
>
> Or maybe the low-skill high-paying jobs are all taken. Hmm.. I hear all
> you need to become a plumber in the US is put up a sign on your door
> saying "plumber". Is that true?
>
> > > > Any body who is "in poverty" is there because they CHOOSE TO LIVE
> > > > that lifestyle.
> > > Bullshit. Pure self-centered bullshit.
> > Name ONE adult who is in poverty who would still be there no matter
> > what choices and actions they made in their life.
> > Almost all of those in poverty are those who CHOSE to not apply
> > themselves in school.
>
> All it takes is a teacher who doesn't like you and gives you poor grades
> no matter what you do. Anddon't tell me that doesn't happen. And good
> grades in school is not a garantee for a wellpaid job later in life.
>
> > > The working poor *do* work full time. That's why they're called "working
> > > poor".
> > What part of "living beyond one's means" do you not understand?
>
> What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
Who are these supposedly underpaid workers?
>
> > > Get real. The urge to procreate is *the* strongest urge in every single
> > > speices on the face of the earth. And you want people to ignore it so they
> > > can fit into your little world?
> > Hey, the same liberals who complain about the plight of "the poor"
> > are the same ones who fought for and won the right to unrestricted
> > abortion.
>
> > So...if you can't afford to have a kid...
> > sit down, shut up and get an abortion.
>
> Climb down from your ivory tower.
>
> > > > If you do...then do the right thing and put them up for adoption.
> > >
> > > How is *that* the right thing? That's about the worst thing you can do to
> > > a newborn child. Jeez...
>
> > Oh, really.
>
> > Taking the child out of a cockroach- and rat-infested shithole, to
> > be raised in the household of a married couple who actually have
> > a clue about how to successfully function in life, and, more
> > importantly, pay the bills, keep food on the table, and keep the
> > house and food-supply free of insects and rodents,.....you say
> > that this is the "worst thing you can do to a newborn child"???
> >
> > How about leaving it in the custody of a drunken crackwhore who
> > "forgets" to feed the kid because she's too busy gettin' spacey.
>
> I wasn't talking about drunken crackwhores. I was talking about the
> working poor.
>
> > > Many of the working poor have two jobs.
> > What part of "living beyond one's means" do you not understand
>
> What part of "underpaid" do you not understand?
Who are these supposedly underpaid workers?
>
> --
>
> C Lund
> http://www.notam.uio.no/~clund/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:43:40 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:51:08 GMT, Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>There's an interesting case I read about in the paper today. The
>government siezed custody of a 3 year old kid who weighed 120 lb,
I believe that was a state government, not the feds. And doctors did
say there was a health threat.
>It's interesting that the Government who said that Elian should go
>home
No, not the same government at all.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:43:42 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:42:48 GMT, Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Here's a good one: I know somebody whose student aid couldn't be
>> released until she was enrolled, but she couldn't pay the tuition (and
>> thus couldn't be enrolled) until she got the aid. Go figure.
>I went through something similar at Penn State. I can't remember how I
>eventually resolved it, though.
I resolved mine by getting getting a written commitment from the school
that I could be admitted, and one from the financial aid office saying
that I was eligible for the loan. I then got a form from the financial
aid office that signed the loan proceeds directly over to the school. I
then went back and got admitted, using the form as payment (sort of
like a letter of credit).
There may have been some other stuff in there, it was 15 years ago, but
I distinctly remember that it was an all-day project.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:39:19 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:17:04 -0700, Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> It would be if you were the robber baron that conspired to ensure
> >> that anyone that wanted to drive would have to buy your particular
> >> brand of car.
> >
> >Build your own system then. Even during the days before the consent
decree,
>
> That is pure bullshit.
No it's not. That's what I did. I've built machines without Windows on them
too. It's easy.
> >I was able to get a machine without Windows.
>
> ...and run what on it?
Whatever I wanted to. At the time, it was DOS. I went out, bought a copy,
and ran it. I could have bought OS/2. Heck, I could have run 4DOS or DrDOS.
> One was lucky to find ANY OS/2 software on sale anywhere.
Not in 1994.
>One
> simply didn't find GEM software anywhere, nor any for Geos.
> You would be lucky to find copies of Unix OS distributions of
> any kind to buy, nevermind actual applications.
So? You said it was impossible. It wasn't.
> Plus, "building your own national phone system" is meaningless
> if there are other 'essential facilities' that also have to be
> dealt with.
Such as? Most machines I saw at the time were running WordPerfect, and if
you wanted to swap documents, that's what you needed.
> As I said before, you cheapen the term theft quite gravely.
No, I don't. You see, there's this little thing called copyright. It
applies.
Simon
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: 29 Aug 2000 23:48:55 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Apparently, many on the left believe that it is PERFECTLY ethical
: to tell lies as long as it advances the leftist agenda.
The left has no monopoly on the use of deception and lies to further
its diabolical agenda.
Case in point: the so-called "War on Drugs."
If the left seems more expert in lying, that can probably be explained
by its having been in power for most of the past century. Let a
right-wing regime take power for a little while, and you may find
yourself longing for the "good old" days when leftist weirdos like Al
Gore were the worst thing you had to worry about.
The biggest problem is not ideology but an excessive concentration of
power. All political power is inherently dangerous, and concentrated
political power most often is deadly. The majority of thoughtful
people on all sides realize this. Unfortunately, the fedgov has
claimed FAR too much power over things that it has no Constitutional
authority to touch. That's what has to change. Until it does,
changing from Demopublican to Republicrat or vice versa is unlikely to
solve much of anything.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: 29 Aug 2000 23:49:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8oe5s0$2gbj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Arguably. Lots of things run in kernel space on various Unix servers.
>> > Linux now has a new kernel space web server. There are telnet servers
> that
>> > run in kernel space and sockets that run in kernel space.
>>
>> Measuring 'telnet servers' and 'sockets' running in kernel space against
>> video drivers running in kernel space betrays your extreme inexperience
>> in this area. You've just argued against yourself.
>
> Please explain the difference then. I doubt you can.
>
/oversimplifiedforeaseofunderstanding:
Socket operations are *much* littler.
>> >> The placement of the menus - the Windows design where they are placed
>> >> below the top window border is clearly an inferior design to the Mac
>> >> placement of the menus along the top edge of the desktop.
>> >
>> > You say this without explaining why this is "clearly superior".
>> >
>> > Actually, I believe the Mac design is clearly inferior. The apple
> design
>> > forces you to move the mouse to the top of the screen everytime you want
> to
>> > use a menu.
>>
>> You are misinformed. When was the last time you used MacOS? (or read the
>> instructions?)
>
> Gee.. I don't know what having a menu at the top of the screen means
> otherwise.
You can get there with keyboard shortcuts, and you have been able to since
at least 7.0.1 (when I started regularly using macos)
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