Linux-Advocacy Digest #567, Volume #29 Tue, 10 Oct 00 04:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Newbie: How do you setup 2 PC's using Rhat Linux 6.2? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Andrew Carpenter)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Mike Byrns)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Mike Byrns)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Mike Byrns)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Chris Sherlock)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: A wierd bit in linux (2:1)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Jonathan Thornburg)
Re: The Power of the Future! (Mike Byrns)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (2:1)
Re: The Power of the Future! (Mike Byrns)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Newbie: How do you setup 2 PC's using Rhat Linux 6.2?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:01:45 GMT
I just like to thank you *all* who are out there to
help out. This group is truly nice!
Much thanks to people who gave me lot of explicit
answers versus people referring me general HOWTO websites
that I have to find my way through. Tsk, tsk, bad suggestion...
Blaster pointed me at specific website where I can
really learn and follows steps. Also, thank to the person
who commented some specifics on the DNS issue. Thank, you all!
Leo
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:15:43 GMT
"Andrew Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> > If I want cmd-line that doesn't crash much, I could
> > use DOS too, so what have I gained besides having a little
> > bit better hardware support?
>
> Would you run a server using DOS?
>
> Consider the range of uses Linux is good for without even having a
> monitor attached, let alone running a graphical shell, it strikes me as
> a pretty thin argument.
>
> I don't see why a [ firewall | router | web server | file server |
> etc... ] would be any more useful with a GUI running...
Try running NT with the certified drivers, and a VGA video driver. Then try
crashing it. You'll find it very difficult.
Simon
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:19:54 GMT
"Mike Byrns" <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote in message
news:LjyE5.125555$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Um, where can I find a comprehensive X Window System programming site like
MSDN?
If you find one, let me know. I wouldn't mind writing a freeware X client
for Win2k.
Simon
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From: Andrew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:01:57 +1030
Simon Cooke wrote:
> "Andrew Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > I don't see why a [ firewall | router | web server | file server |
> > etc... ] would be any more useful with a GUI running...
>
> Try running NT with the certified drivers, and a VGA video driver. Then try
> crashing it. You'll find it very difficult.
I wasn't saying that it would. I didn't say anywhere a GUI would
necessarily be *bad* on a server (although I think it's an unnecessary
drain on resources) -- just that not having one isn't a drawback.
Andrew
[ opinions are my own ]
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:31:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >Here is the part of the article I like best:
> >********************************************************************************
> >Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
>
> ...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
> to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
> keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
> locusts.
The glass room is just like a glass house. Don't throw stones.
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:35:28 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:33:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >You mean like Linux is trying to do?
>
>
> What Linux?
>
> Linux Inc?
> Linux Corp?
> Linux Unlimited?
>
> HA is a niche even amongst the larger server market. Otherwise,
> NT would never have been able to go anywhere and DEC would never
> have been bought out by the likes of Compaq.
>
>
> >
> >claire
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:51:20 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>Here is the part of the article I like best:
> >>>********************************************************************************
> >>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
> >>
> >> ...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
> >> to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
> >> keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
> >> locusts.
> >>
> >>[deletia]
> >
>
> --
>
> If women didn't exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning.
> -- Aristotle Onassis
>
> Your lucky number has been disconnected.
>
> Kin, n.:
> An affliction of the blood.
Can you be any more anti-feminist?
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:36:38 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Stop playing semantics jedi.
>
> Next you'll be asking "and what IS Linux anyway?"
> The kernel?
> The distro?
>
> etc
>
> You remind me of Otter in Animal House where he is in the student
> court defending Delta house against the jock fraternity.
>
>
>
> claire
>
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:48:31 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:33:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >>You mean like Linux is trying to do?
> >
> >
> > What Linux?
> >
> > Linux Inc?
> > Linux Corp?
> > Linux Unlimited?
> >
> > HA is a niche even amongst the larger server market. Otherwise,
> > NT would never have been able to go anywhere and DEC would never
> > have been bought out by the likes of Compaq.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>claire
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:51:20 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>Here is the part of the article I like best:
> >>>>********************************************************************************
> >>>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
> >>>
> >>> ...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
> >>> to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
> >>> keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
> >>> locusts.
> >>>
> >>>[deletia]
> >>
Oh, Claire. We really need more like you. It's not a boys club!
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:41:20 GMT
Peter da Silva wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> John Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 3) Notepad is a trivial windows application. (Defined as an
> > application a good Windows programmer could complete in a week or
> > two).
>
> Are you saying that you would expect a good Windows programmer to take a
> week or two to implement Notepad? Is that a reasonable estimate of the
> time it would take for a program like that?
Minus the QA required. Yes. It's a edit control the size of the window
with some of the interfaces hooked up. Maybe we should start looking as all
the things that Windows does for the developer.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:49:39 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
This is good coming from a pro-Windows site! *HOW* long did it take MS
to finally release Windows 2000 (formerly NT 5?) How long did it take
them to release Windows 95? None of these products were on time.
I say - let the Linux kernel developers get it right, and if you really
need it so much then install the pre-release kernels for 2.4
Mozilla, well that's a different story...
Chris
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2944
>
> Making a modern operating system isn't that easy after all: Linux creator
> Linus Torvalds announced the third major delay in the release of the next
> Linux kernel last week, placing the release of Linux 2.4 in late 2000 or
> early 2001 at the earliest. The Linux 2.4 kernel, which was original due to
> ship in October 1999, has now been in the works for almost two years
>
> ...Linux is a different beast altogether, and proponents have argued that
> the open source development model is superior to the closed, monolithic
> models used by Apple and Microsoft. But the public failure of both Linux and
> Netscape, with its Mozilla/Netscape 6 project, to deliver upgrades on
> schedule is now casting doubts on the entire open source process.
>
> "...But today, Linux is not very useful beyond simple Web, mail, and DNS
> services on small Intel-based servers, she says. Linux is "not for database
> servers or online transaction processing. The independent software vendor
> support [is not there]"
>
> <yawn>
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:51:05 GMT
Bob Hauck wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 01:37:44 GMT, Mike Byrns <@technologist,.com> wrote:
>
> >Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> >> While the documentation may have had the source for Notepad, that's not
> >> the point. WINE must clone the text edit control that Notepad uses,
> >> not Notepad itself.
>
> >> So are you saying that the documentation for the text edit control is
> >> both complete and error free?
>
> >All the WINE folks have to do is to make a control that behaves like the
> >standard windows edit control and clones it's interface.
>
> Yes, I know, I do believe I said exactly that right up above. I note
> that you didn't answer the question...is the documentation sufficient
> for doing that, or do you need to "fool around with" the control for a
> few hours or days before you know how it really behaves? The MS docs
> are notorious for not documenting boundary conditions and what happens
> if there's an error.
>
The error conditions are clearly documented. The interface is clearly
documented. The behavior is too. In that the documentation was clear enough
for me but I did choose to test what the folks at Microsoft had written. Not
out of lack of trust but out of lack of experience.
> >It's not so hard when you really understand Windows.
>
> Right, no one part of it is "so hard". But the quantity of API's to be
> cloned is what will kill ya. Not to mention the holes in the docs.
Specialize. Like the Linux folks do. None of it is "hard". The breadth of
support is a long read. The "holes" in the docs are few and far between.
Just sent a note to the MSDN folks and they will fill you in and make sure it
gets into the next publication.
> Much of Win32 is not nearly as well understood as the text control.
> Windows programmers seem to spend a fair amount of time experimenting
> around to find out how an API *really* behaves. This not only makes
> Win32 annoying to program for, it also makes it hard to clone.
So if it's so well understood then why did the WINE folks fail? You said
"seem" back it up. Most Windows software engineers just take Win32 from the
docs and do quite well. Hard to clone -- make due to lack of understanding
from not reading the docs.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A wierd bit in linux
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:56:50 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> 2:1 wrote:
> >
> > here's a wired one for you all:
> >
> > My linux box is configured to put up a splash screen on startup, using a
> > SVGALib program. Usually, it runs OK, but occasionally, it says its not
> > the owner of the current console and can't find a free one. Needless to
> > say, it always runs as root.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > -Ed
> >
>
> What kernel are you using? That seems v odd to me
Seems odd to me too.
I used to use 2.0.28, now I use 2.2.14. Happens both times.
Ta
-Ed
>
> -Tom
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Thornburg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: 10 Oct 2000 09:58:24 +0200
In an article whose nested quotation has buffer-overflowed by mind :),
someone wrote
| You mentioned that Linux was pretty stable as long as
| you didn't enter XWindows (which is correct).
|
| I was attempting to say "so what have you gained then?".
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:
>Multithreading, a complete set of development tools for free, memory
>beyond the first megabyte, long filenames, oustanding support for
>Internet development, and, oh yes, Gnibbles. :-)
Not to mention much improved security. The M$ mentality exemplified
by my .signature quote tends to lead to, ahh, "suboptimal" security.
--
-- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.thp.univie.ac.at/~jthorn/home.html
Universitaet Wien (Vienna, Austria) / Institut fuer Theoretische Physik
"If security is set to none, everything just works." quoted from
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/techart/msdn_signmark.htm, May 2000
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:59:19 GMT
Dolly wrote:
> Mike Byrns wrote:
> >
> > Dolly wrote:
> >
> > > Mike Byrns wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dolly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > Only problem is, according to IDC, Windows numbers
> > > > > are slipping backward... ie: -3%, -15%, -10% (9X/ME,
> > > > > IIShit, NT/2K) or perhaps the second one was -13%
> > > > > on iDC and -15% on some web server monitoring
> > > > > and stats page... and declining.
> > > >
> > > > You're going to post a link to back that claim up right? I'd be interested to
>see
> > > > their sources and methodologies and the sites sampled. I think it's funny that
> > > > with that kind of news to report, none of the media outlets have picked it up.
> > > > Sounds like bullshit to me but I'll retract that when that link is posted.
> > >
> > > www.IDC.com - you can buy your own membership.
> >
> > You don't make the information public you are assumed a liar. I'm sure that the
>media
> > hacks have their own access to IDC and so far I've not seen a whisper of this "most
> > important story of the decade". I still claim it's bullshit since you refuse to
>prove
> > me wrong.
>
> Claim anything you want, I already posted one link and I
> dont have the IDC link.
Your fault, I guess.
> I really have no interest in getting
> it either.
Of course you don't.
> You can do a websearch, there are enough related
> articles noting NT's decline.
I found very little except on the nix faithful sites.
> There are enough vendors
> upset with MS's projected sales figures for 98SE and ME
> that didnt come anywhere near the all time low those
> vendors experienced.
Can you make sense of that?
> There has been no growth in the
> last year,
What market segment?
> and the one thing they were expecting to
> be a big help was their new MS SQL which finally has
> the features Oracle and DB2 haD (YEARS ago).
And more so. :-)
> Linux, OTOH
> is gaining ground quite nicely.
What market segment? Got anything more than Netcraft?
> OS/2 sales have been
> on the rebound for a year and a half
Oh, do tell. I'd switch back in a second if I thought that were true.
> - so much so that
> IBM has committed to yearly product updates - for 7+
> more years.
Link? From the Florida source please.
> Even MS wont commit to anything that
> long term for NT/2K platform, (and probably might
> as well for the 9X/ME platform since it'll probably
> still be around due to their continued failure to
> make a true 32bit comsumer version of NT/2K).
You are not being very convincing here, Dolly.
> Believe what you will. Then talk to the big vendors
> or read non-Ziff Davis pubs, or look at ServerWatch
> or NetCraft or a dozen other data companies' sites
> and publications.
Oh, I do and I see what little they have to offer.
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:00:07 GMT
Gary Hallock wrote:
> John Lockwood wrote:Let's see:
>
> >
> > 1) Windows works.
> > 2) Notepad works on NT, Win98, Windows 3x, etc.
> > 3) Notepad is a trivial windows application. (Defined as an
> > application a good Windows programmer could complete in a week or
> > two).
> > 4) Notepad and thousands of other working applications are coded to
> > the Windows API.
> > 5) Notepad doesn't work on WINE.
> >
> > Therefore WIN32 is a piece of crap?
> >
> > Well, I've never used WINE, but the conclusion I'd be more likely to
> > reach given the above is that your premise that WINE emulates Windows
> > is false.
> >
> > John
>
> Well, this whole discussion seems to be based on a false assumption.
> Notepad does work on Wine. And I run Lotus Notes under Wine every day at
> work.
Where's the link ?
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:59:40 +0100
"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:bktE5.50461$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> James A. Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I'm not concerned about the time it was produced; you are trying to
> > > objectify the API in appropriately. Win32 is anti-competitive crap
> > > because that's what Microsoft wants it to be. As for how it is
> > > anti-competitive, the most obvious example to come to mind is that it
> > > includes web browser functionality, implemented with the specific
intent
> > > of preventing competition.
> > >
> >
> > AH - it's MS so it's bad. What a great argument
>
> Are you deliberately dense? Although it is true that if it's MS it is
> almost certainly bad, that's not what he was saying at all. You
challenged
> him to explain how Win32 is anti-competitive and he pretty much nailed you
> with a rather famous example.
Are *you* deliberately dense?
Integrating Internet explorer != Win32 API.
>
> Actually, one of the main reasons Win32 is so HUGE (28 million lines of
> code, or something in that neighborhood) is that Microsoft spends at least
> as much time making the API a "moving target" (Bill Gates' words, not
mine)
> as it does actually trying to fix or improve anything. My guess, based on
> known Microsoft history, is that less than 10% of their R&D money and
> technical man-hours are spent on trying to improve the product. They
spend
> their time destroying any hint of competition and thinking up new
> justifications for jacking up their prices.
Now you're confusing the Win32API with the Windows 2000 operating system.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:00:57 +0100
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> 2:1 wrote:
>
> > Mike Byrns wrote:
> > >
> > > Gardiner Family wrote:
> > >
> > > > calm down claire, maybe I was a little rude in my response. However, the thing
> > > > I keep hearing is, "Windows is not stable", my response, "change OS's", there
> > > > response "why should I?", with the attitude, "Why should I?", windows will
>never
> > > > improve until customers start telling Microsoft with their purchasing power
>that
> > > > they want improved stability, un-bloated software and reliabilty.
> > >
> > > Maybe you should get Windows 2000.
> >
> > Or mabey you should spend your money on something more worthwhile.
> > And are you trying to claim Win2K is not bloated? It's way to big to run
> > comfortably on my computer.
>
> Really? How much RAM do you have? I've run it comfortably on 64MB.
I have 72M Ram. Linux has never used 64M on its own. Are you sure you're
not confusing cache and buffer readings as ram in use by processes?
> MacOS and Mandrake
> Linux with Gnome both claim to use more RAM than Windows 2000 in my tests. I have
>256MB
> but under normal use I hardly ever use more than 80MB or so even with Netscape, IIS5,
> SETI@Home and 14 or more other processes running. Remember that this is Windows 2000
> Pro, not server. It only requires 64MB and that works well considering it's spledid
> memory management.
> Just the little innovation that pages in the disk cache and VM are
> mapped to each other helps quite a bit. Think about it -- you have loaded an app and
> some of it's pages are VM alloc'd -- they are already mapped into your address space
> from the cache. Of course all Windows 2000 protection and security still apply but
>it
> keeps the OS from having to rob Peter (the disk cache) to pay Paul (the VM).
> Everybody's happy! And I've got RAM (and performance) to burn!
You'll have to explain the above a little more clearly, or give a link:
I don't fully understand it.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:02:20 GMT
Dolly wrote:
> Mike Byrns wrote:
> >
> > Dolly wrote:
> >
> > > Sam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:03:43 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Is of course Linux.
> > > >
> > > > Exclusively ? I think not!
> > > >
> > > > >The power of Linux is of course the GNU/GPL.
> > > >
> > > > It may also be it's weakness.
> > > >
> > > > >Does everybody agree that Linux has the best desktop? NO, HELL NO!
> > > > >Is Linux still growing? YES HELL YES!
> > > >
> > > > From zero it's all up from there
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > >How fast is Microsoft growing on that hill top? 1%.
> > > >
> > > > If Microsoft kept growing at the rate it did for the last 5-10-15-20
> > > > years (pick one) it would soon be, not only the total IT industry,
> > > > but the entire economy. Obviously not sustainable
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >How fast is Linux growing? 5 - 7 % per year for almost 8 years.
> > > >
> > > > From zero it's all up from there
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > >Does Microsoft make hardware? Hardly, NO. That Microsoft mouse or
> > > > >keyboard is subcontracted out.
> > > > >They don't make anything but software.
> > > >
> > > > AMD don't own a fab shop, does that make them not a threat to Intel ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Really? That's weird... AMD has MADE chips for
> > > Intel when Intel couldnt keep up... what do you
> > > think the little M AMD meant? MANUFACTURED by
> > > AMD. I have a bunch here they made for Intel.
> > > It's part of what gained them access to the
> > > Intel x86 architecture - making a bunch for
> > > Intel when they were in the bind.
> >
> > Christ are you going to be one of those Kulkis, Devlins and Blacks that
> > make these wild ass statements that stretch credibility and then post no
> > evidence to back it up? When the hell was this momentus event supposed to
> > have happened? AMD did make 386 and 486 chips but they were NOT Intel
> > designs. BTW, I agree with you that AMD do own fabs, in Texas and Germany
> > but I, after having been a Intel and Microsoft systems engineer and
> > programmer for over a decade have no recollection of AMD EVER making chips
> > for Intel.
>
> You want evidence? How about a picture of one? Or perhaps you
> are one of those people who believes if a tree falls on your
> house but no one is there to see it, then it didnt happen.
>
> I'll send you an AMD Chip with the (M) AMD imprint
> and an Intel chip with the (M) Intel imprint.
>
> Would you be satisfied then? Just because you
> dont know something doesnt mean it's not
> true. Actually, apparently from your posts, just
> because YOU *think* you know something generally
> is proving that it isnt true.
Miss, I tire of you. Post the pic and prove your point. I have a feeling that
I've been around this block more than you.
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