Linux-Advocacy Digest #598, Volume #29 Wed, 11 Oct 00 13:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Shit-head Tholen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Shit-head Tholen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: David J. Tholen [Off-Topic Idiot Tres Grande] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Spicerun)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ("David T. Johnson")
Re: Linux Sucks (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Walter)
Re: welcome to the world of objects (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows (Bartek Kostrzewa)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:25:16 +0000
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:58:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
>Marty writes:
>
>>>>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
>
>>>>>>>> Sorry David, you lose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>
>>>>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
>>>>>> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
>>>>>> postings.
>
>>>>> You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
>>>>> Marty.
>
>>>> Very good, Dave.
>
>>> So why did you bring up "off-topic posting", Marty?
>
>> Just staying on topic. Look at the thread topic.
>
>I'm looking at what you wrote, Marty.
Me too. But you bored me and I fell asleep.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:25:19 +0000
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:12:22 -0400, "David T. Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:43:18 -0400, "David T. Johnson"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Marty wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "David T. Johnson" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Marty wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Marty wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > [repetitive comments snipped]
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sorry David, you lose.
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, I have certainly lost in the name-calling category.
>> >>
>> >> Not even close. I lost too many points in that category for supporting my
>> >> claims with examples and facts.
>> >
>> >Typical nonsensical, illogical gibberish. 'Not even close' has no
>> >meaning in the context used. No indication of what 'losing points'
>> >refers to and why 'losing points' is relevant to the discussion. No
>> >indication of why your alleged supporting of claims with examples and
>> >facts is relevant to the name-calling you have repeatedly indulged in.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > Congratulations.
>> >>
>> >> To you.
>> >
>> >Illogical as the congratulations were for you for winning the
>> >name-calling competition. You have called me a "hypocrite," "liar,"
>> >"mime," "troll," "club president," and "Net Cop" while also also
>> >accusing me of "mudslinging" and claiming that I had a "hard-on" for
>> >Wenham. In contrast, I have only called you a 'liar' and a
>> >'hypocrite.' Clearly, you win and are deserving of the
>> >congratulations.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > > Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "[repetitive comments snipped]"
>> >>
>> >> Note: no response, and the hypocrisy continues.
>> >
>> >Interesting that you expect to see a response to your imperative.
>> >Apparently, even you realize the absurdity of the comment that your
>> >statement makes. No surprise there.
>>
>> David, fetch me a beer, please.
>
>Precisely now?
Yes, of course.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shit-head Tholen
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:25:32 +0000
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:12 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
>Marty wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Marty writes:
>> >
>> > >>>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
>> >
>> > >>>>>>> Sorry David, you lose.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>> >
>> > >>>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
>> >
>> > >>>>> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
>> > >>>>> postings.
>> >
>> > >>>> You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
>> > >>>> Marty.
>> >
>> > >>> Very good, Dave.
>> >
>> > >> So why did you bring up "off-topic posting", Marty?
>> >
>> > > Just staying on topic. Look at the thread topic.
>> >
>> > I'm looking at what you wrote, Marty.
>>
>> Of what relevance is this self-evident remark?
>
>Tholen is a shit-head.
>
>Literally.
>
>His head is not merely filled with shit....it IS shit.
Interesting development. Is this why tudlet tholen insists on
strangers urinating in his corn flakes every morning?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shit-head Tholen
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:25:35 +0000
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:58:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
>Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
>> Marty wrote:
>
>>> I wrote:
>
>>>> Marty writes:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry David, you lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
>>>>>>>>> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
>>>>>>>>> postings.
>
>>>>>>>> You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
>>>>>>>> Marty.
>
>>>>>>> Very good, Dave.
>
>>>>>> So why did you bring up "off-topic posting", Marty?
>
>>>>> Just staying on topic. Look at the thread topic.
>
>>>> I'm looking at what you wrote, Marty.
>
>>> Of what relevance is this self-evident remark?
>
>> Tholen is a shit-head.
>
>And lacking a logical counter-argument, as you obviously do, you
>immediately turn to invective.
>
>> Literally.
>
>Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word.
>
>> His head is not merely filled with shit....it IS shit.
>
>Illogical in the extreme.
I had noticed the foul smell emanating from your ears, Dave.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: David J. Tholen [Off-Topic Idiot Tres Grande]
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:25:40 +0000
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:55:22 -0400, "Joseph T. Malloy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
>Tholen tholes:
>
>> Jeff Glatt writes [about David T. Johnson]:
>>
>> > He has revealed an ignorance of, and numerous violations of, the
>> > newsgroup charter as well.
>>
>> How incredibly ironic, coming from someone who has violated the newsgroup
>> charter numerous times.
>
>What, did you get some "advice" from your mythical and completely
>ineffective "lawyer" buddy, Tholen? The charter of a newsgroup does not
>have the force of law. If you think otherwise, prove it.
>
>Of course, this is incredibly ironic, coming from someone who has violated
>the newsgroup charter numerous times.
Dave, sometimes your flaccidity of spirit can be deemed a violation.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:49:53 -0300
El mi�, 11 oct 2000, Richard escribi�:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> And pretty much a guess based on very little hard evidence. However, let's
>> assume they didn't. So what? Would that be enough to stop interbreeding? Why,
>> because they can't ask a chick to go on a date?
>
>Considering you seemed to imply that we should be able to interbreed
>with monkeys since we're genetically so close to them ....
What was that about the alzheimer test? I can't quite recall... oh, yeah, take
one yourself, too.
>> I am not completely familiar with the political platforms of all main US
>> parties. And does "main" include the green party and the reform party? I simply
>> have no idea on THEIR platforms. So, I was guessing, and I qualify it as a
>> probably right guess.
>
>I already excluded everyone but the Republicans and Democrats. And it's
>not like the RepDem party's "platform" is at all relevant. What's wrong
>with going by the historical record?
Because that's not the party position, but the position of the individuals who
take office?
>> Ok, I pretty much agree with the platform of the Frente Grande, although I tend
>> to follow more Ibarra's than Chacho �lvarez' positions. Hope that enlightens
>> you. On the other hand, I have much sympathy towards the septiembrista
>> movement.
>
>I have passing familiarity with the main British, Canadian, French, German,
>Indian, Italian, Mexican, Russian, South African and US political parties.
>Perhaps you could pick one of those for comparison?
No.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: 11 Oct 2000 15:33:51 GMT
In article <FzjE5.27898$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As the server or client? The Client is designed to run on Windows CE
> handheld devices. It would fly on a P133. It barely uses any
> resources on a modern PIII. It uses about 3.8KB of RAM.
That memory figure is deeply disingenuous as it omits a load of stuff
that is in the client's GUI layer. If it's not an utter joke it must
be using encrypted and authenticated comms too, and you'd be hard
pressed to put that into that space. It probably doesn't cope with
architectures with different endian-ness either, but in your current
delusory state you'd claim that as a *feature*.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Thanks, but I only sleep with sentient lifeforms. Anything else is merely
a less sanitary form of masturbation.
-- Alistair J. R. Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:16:25 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's see if I can get a little more chuckling from jedi...
> >What about Windows 2000? Afraid to compare it because you know Linux doesn't
> >hold a candle to it?
>
> Mebbe his webcam or gaming card doesn't work too well with it.
> <chuckle>
Actually, I'm not going to spend the large amount of money just for an upgrade of an
OS that will probably not work with my ,webcam or gaming card' (Actually I don't own
a webcam or gaming card), or network cards, or jukebox CD or even regular CD. In
fact, if WinME full version install was any indication, I think I'll stay away from
future MS upgrades.
I will see Win2K soon enough at work, but I do notice with some chagrin that our IT
department is still trying it out, and are kinda 'pissed off' that they have to
evaluate it for a longer period of time to work out the issues because it won't work
out of the box with our particular network. I know of at least 3 IT administrators
at work that wish Win2K would go away.
====================
Standard Disclaimer: My opinions are my own and do not represent the views or
opinions of my employer.
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From: "David T. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:07:51 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:12:22 -0400, "David T. Johnson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:43:18 -0400, "David T. Johnson"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.sys.mac.advocacy wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Marty wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Marty wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Marty wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > [repetitive comments snipped]
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Sorry David, you lose.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, I have certainly lost in the name-calling category.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not even close. I lost too many points in that category for supporting my
> >> >> claims with examples and facts.
> >> >
> >> >Typical nonsensical, illogical gibberish. 'Not even close' has no
> >> >meaning in the context used. No indication of what 'losing points'
> >> >refers to and why 'losing points' is relevant to the discussion. No
> >> >indication of why your alleged supporting of claims with examples and
> >> >facts is relevant to the name-calling you have repeatedly indulged in.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > Congratulations.
> >> >>
> >> >> To you.
> >> >
> >> >Illogical as the congratulations were for you for winning the
> >> >name-calling competition. You have called me a "hypocrite," "liar,"
> >> >"mime," "troll," "club president," and "Net Cop" while also also
> >> >accusing me of "mudslinging" and claiming that I had a "hard-on" for
> >> >Wenham. In contrast, I have only called you a 'liar' and a
> >> >'hypocrite.' Clearly, you win and are deserving of the
> >> >congratulations.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > > Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "[repetitive comments snipped]"
> >> >>
> >> >> Note: no response, and the hypocrisy continues.
> >> >
> >> >Interesting that you expect to see a response to your imperative.
> >> >Apparently, even you realize the absurdity of the comment that your
> >> >statement makes. No surprise there.
> >>
> >> David, fetch me a beer, please.
> >
> >Precisely now?
>
> Yes, of course.
Yes. You have changed my words from 'Precisely the point' to 'Precisely
now?'
If you are willing to make up words and falsely attribute them to
others, you don't even need to bother posting to real people about real
issues. You can just make up imaginary people to have little
make-believe online dialogues with. And you can use cute little online
monikers like '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Have fun playing with
yourself...
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:31:54 -0300
El mi�, 11 oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
>I'm an old CDE person so I know all about title bars :)
>
>CDE (under aix) never had a Winamp clone.
Of course it didn't. CDE had no useful support for sound whatsoever.
>A dial-up networking clone like Gnome/kde does.
Of course it didn't. CDE simply provided no support whatsoever to connect via
ppp to anything, much less a way to make it easy.
>And so forth.
>
>It's more than the look and feel, it's the cloning of the
>applications.
Trying to compare relatively modern GUIs with something as featureless as CDE
and then claim that because the modern software is more similar to each other
than to CDE is disingenuous. Men are the same as apes when compared to snails,
too.
>Linux movement is trying to go one on one with Windows to woo away
>Windows users by providing them with a look, feel and applications
>that make them feel comfortable.
Unlike CDE, that provides nothing to make anyone comfortable? ;-)
>Of course there is another Linux movement that seems to be saying
>don't dumb done Linux, but keep it and it's target market the same.
The existence of kppp doesn't make the annoyances^wfeatures of chat/pppd
disappear, it just makes it possible to ignore them. Same thing for other apps.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:36:49 -0300
El mar, 10 oct 2000, Drestin Black escribi�:
>"chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >How do you know?
>>
>> 110 lines so that you can ask "How do you know?" How do you know
>> what?
>>
>
>I asked (if you read any of the 110 lines) how does he know Yahoo uses BSD
>(or any OS) ...
Search for an interview with one of the founders. I remember I saw it ages ago,
maybe on BSD news.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:41:30 -0300
El mar, 10 oct 2000, Drestin Black escribi�:
>AND AGAIN - who cares? What's the point? That's like saying: "I've got a
>soccer player who can KICK ANYONE'S ASS, including EVERYONE on your team
>individually" - then we play and my team of "inferiour" players kicks your
>single players ass. Are you still going to be whining? Where is that single
>player that can beat my single player? No, we'll all be laughing that you
>only fielded one player while we put on the proper team.
Well, that would be against the rules. In soccer you can't field a team with
less than seven players.
Hope that helped!
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:23:44 +1100
Edwin wrote:
>
> Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:39cad71c$1$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On 09/21/2000 at 05:52 PM,
> > Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > The point is that Apple is widely associated with a lifestyle and
> > > mindset. Packard Bell is not.
> >
> > Just for grins and giggles, I had one of our high school computer teachers
> > ask 11th graders what they though of when they heard the word, "Apple".
> > Only 6 of 87 said computers.
>
> Those six were promptly beaten up by their other 81 classmates. ;)
How many people would associate "sun" with computers? Yet, Sun
Microsystems is one of the most successful computer companies in the
world with hightst (I think still has) share of the Unix market.
>
> > --
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------
> > Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
> > MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
> > Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------
> >
--
Walter Lolham | Sanderson Local Government Solutions
| 13th Level, 33 Berry St, North Sydney, NSW, Australia
| Phone: +61-2-9926-2800 (-2888 FAX)
| E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: welcome to the world of objects
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:49:46 -0300
El mi�, 11 oct 2000, FM escribi�:
>Well for one thing, I don't think they had any meanings
>when they were formed in his head. Vagueness doesn't
>come out of nowhere.
Are you proposing an Aquinas' like initial vagueness engine? :-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:55:53 -0300
El mi�, 11 oct 2000, Simon Cooke escribi�:
>"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:vSPE5.133$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:8rtf3u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > John Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > 3) Notepad is a trivial windows application. (Defined as an
>> > > application a good Windows programmer could complete in a week or
>> > > two).
[snip about how two weeks is way overkill]
>And then there's printing, which takes the other 3 days (most people [99%]
>haven't done printing support, and it'll take them that long to get it
>right).
Well, if you were using linux, how long would it take to write a system() that
calls a2ps with custom arguments? ;-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:04:32 +0200
From: Bartek Kostrzewa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows
MH wrote:
>
> > > If you are a c++ programmer, then try this program both on windows and
> on
> > > linux and observe the time taken to display 1,00,000 numbers
> > >
> > > #include <iostream.h>
> > > main()
> > > {
> > > for(int i=0; i<=100000; i++)
> > > cout << i <<endl;
> > > return 0;
> > > }
> > >
>
> Now I've seen it all!! This is a test of OS speed?? Are you some sort of
> retard? C++ 101 stdout program usually learned in the first week of a class
> being used as such a test!
>
> And you folks moan about the Mindcraft benchmarking!!!! This is F'n
> hilarious!!!!!
Euhmm, why did ye reply to my message?
--
Best regards,
Bartek Kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<< http://technoage.web.lu >>>
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