Linux-Advocacy Digest #598, Volume #34 Fri, 18 May 01 16:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:28:48 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <9e3i3m$p8u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> Now, I have a big bone to pick with you. I was posting about
>> price/preformance and scalibility and you blather on about market share
>> to prove what? Nowhere did you address any of the points I made, save
>> from making the statement that supercomputers are not an example of
>> real world scalibility because you can't buy one in youre local shop. I
>> think you are either unable to read or trolling.
>
> What's the title of your post:
>
> "Linux beats Win2K (again)"
>
> And... you talk about "*real* world" computing.
>
> That's what I was responding to, in case you hadn't noticed.
If I could put the entire context of the thread in the subject, there
would be no need for the rest of the post. Clearly you think this which is
why you haven't read the post.
And in case you hadn't notices, I was refering solely to *real* world
scalability and price performance. This has nothing to do with the
desktop. Clearly, you are unable to understand this.
Now, I don't care what you went ranting on about, since you have not shown
how it is relavent to Linux thrashing Win2K in terms of scalibility or
price/performance, which is what the thread was about.
Now before digging yourself in to another deep hole, remember I set the
context of the thread with the original post and it is *you* who has gone
off at a wild tangent, after clearly not reading anything more than the
subject line.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:29:36 +0100
> Why thank you for that Linux-advocacy rethorical noise!
>
> I was responding to the title "Linux beats Win2K (again)" and the
> references to "*real* computing".
>
> The desktop is about as *real* as you get.
So are supercomputers unreal then?
YES or NO?
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:32:38 -0400
Matt Kennel wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 May 2001 00:03:20 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :It also leaves out the fact that it's next to impossible to FORCE
> :significant amounts of female secretions into the male body.
> :
> :if a male has abrasions on the penis...blood pressure forces OUT
> :contaminating substances.
>
> Fortunately for their genomic survival the microbes of syphylis,
> herpes and gonorrhea seem to be unaware of this law of physics, and
> continue in their toon-like way.
But herpes, gonorrhea, and syphylis are not HIV.
Herpes can attakck the MANY nerve endings in the genitals.
gonorrhea and syphylis are bacteria, and thus not subject to the
same rules that govern viruses (i.e. bacteria can move on their
own, whereas virii are non-motile).
>
> --
> * Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
> *
> * "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
> * Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:35:45 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <9e3i59$p8v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> And in the *real* world of scalibility and price/performance, where is
>> Winows, pray tell?
>
> I question your use of *real* world. How is it the *real* world when it
> is a very small market?
It is the real world because it is a real market, not some cooked up
benchmark. You will realise that I was quoting an example of Linux
thrashing Win2K in scalability and price/performance after a glut of
trolling about TPC (ie not a real world application) from the wintrolls.
If supercomputers aren't real world scalibility then what is? A TPC
benchmarking machine, perhaps?
> If you said "And in the world of scalability"... your use of *real* is
> as kind of 'hook', implying that anything else is somehow 'unreal' or
> maybe even inferior.
No, I was trying to keep the discussion on the original topic posted,
something which you are clearly unable to do.
>> > Absolutely... nowhere?
>>
>> Absolutely... nowhere?
>
> In the real real world, everywhere.
In the real world of scalibility (ie not a benchmark setup) windows is no
where to be seen.
Now:
The original thread was about real world scalibility, which was posted to
counter laods of trolling about benchmarks. Please stop trying to throw
it completely off topic just to show I'm wrong about something I'm
not[1]. If you care so much about the issues you keep raising which are
irellevant in this discussion, then start a new thread about it.
-Ed
[1] You have not given me any indication of how Win2K beats Linux in
terms of real world scalibility and price/performance. Remember, if you
read the OP, you would realise that is what I started talking about.
Hint: this has nothing to do with desktops.
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:37:59 +0100
You are making the mistake that a person unsuitable for one thing is
unsuitable for everything. Hell, I would never marry my best mates, but
they still make great friends.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:37:52 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > jet once again demonstrates an astounding lack of self-insight:
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > >
> > > Defective in what way?
> >
> > a. Would you marry Aaron Kulkis?
> >
> > b. Would you marry a homosexual man?
> >
> > If the answer to both questions is "no," then we may conclude
> > that you consider both men to be defective as potential
> > marriage partners. You don't want to marry Aaron Kulkis
> > because in your mind he carries showstopping defects.
> > Ditto for the gay guy.
>
> I won't marry a woman, but I don't consider women "defective". You're just
> playing word games.
>
> When Aaron says gay men are "defective", I don't think he just means he
> doesn't want to sleep with them.
They are defective, because NO woman in their right mind would
choose marry one if she has, all ELSE being equal, other options.
>
> > Most women I know do not want to share their beds with men who
> > frequently stick their dicks up other men's assholes. Clearly
> > these women regard that as defective behavior. Instead these
> > women prefer to give the best of themselves, their care and
> > attention, and the bulk of their free time to men who do not
> > carry what they clearly regard as the homosexual defect.
> >
> > Jet, whenever you'd like to demonstrate that you don't regard
> > homosexuality as undesirable behavior you could start by
> > desiring homosexuals; i.e., treating homosexual men with the
> > exact same respect, attention, care, and preference that you
> > lavish on the minority of heterosexual men you regard as
> > nondefective.
>
> Look, if Ricky Martin is gay, he can wipe his dick off and stick it in me
> anytime.
Any woman who makes such a decision is equally defective.
Infections and all that ==> sterility.
>
> J
>
> >
> > -- the Danimal
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:38:32 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> From ZDNET... looks like Linux has pre-empted Windows NT recently in
> Hollywood.
> Read the article and see for yourselves... LucasFilm ltd. has converted
> mostly to Linux!
And Industrial Light and Magic, too.
> And a few other film producers as well. After all, they do want to cut
> costs.
>
> --
> V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:36:10 GMT
>>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>>
Aaron> jet wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > chrisv wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> HMMM??? Are you claiming then that homosexual behavior is a
>> >> disease????????
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Close. He's claiming that it's the RESULT of a disease
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Or something.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kookis, don't you tire of displaying your ignorance and bad logic to
>> >> > > the world?
>> >>
>> >> Obviously not.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
>> >> > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
>> >>
>> >> Defective in what way?
>>
Aaron> nonproductive
>>
>> Getting a blow job or going down on a woman is non-reproductive.
Aaron> Compared to vaginal sex, yes.
My wife and I like both fine, and do not consider either to be
a "defect".
Aaron> but not nearly as counter-productive as buggering another man.
They are equally "non-reproductive".
>> Is that too a "defect"?
>>
>> Check your "logic".
Aaron> Got heterophobia?
Nope. A lack of irrational bigotry towards one group does not
imply irrational bigotry towards another group.
Check your "logic".
--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:40:02 -0400
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >> >
> > > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> Explain how this reduces spam. Don't get it.
The email-address collecting software collects the spam-patrol addresses,
and thus, induces the spammers to send their garbage DIRECTLY to the
people who put spammers out of business.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:41:03 -0400
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > > > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > Explain how this reduces spam. Don't get it.
>
> This is actually reasonable, strangely enough.
> Those are the links to the abuse departments of the major ISPs/Mailing
> systems in the US.
> Most of the spam reach from those adresses. By spamming those adress, the
> spammer basically send its ISP a notice "I'm spamming, close my account".
> Since most spam to email is automatically gathered, it might actually work.
>
> Now I've to go somewhere and have a lie down because I justified Kulkis.
Maybe, while you're laying there, and thinking, you'll begin to realize
that I'm much wiser than you give me credit for.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:40:47 -0700
The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> jet wrote:
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > jet wrote:
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > > >
> > > > Defective in what way?
> > >
> > > nonproductive
> >
> > We've got 6 billion people. Doesn't seem like much of a defect.
>
> By your laughably ignorant measure nothing is a defect: suicide,
> drug addiction, mass murder, self-mutilation, cannibalism,
> infanticide, child abuse, etc. After all, """we"""'ve got 6 billion
> people. (And who exactly is "we"? Can I exchange """my""" 6 billion
> people for something else?)
Sigh. I asked him *how* it was a defect. He said *nonproductive*. I assume
he was referring to reproduction of the species. Homosexuality doesn't seem
to be much of a defect when it comes to that.
> Biologists largely abandoned the "good of the species"
> notion somewhere around the middle of the last century, replacing
> it with the notion of diverse individuals within a species competing
> for resources and reproductive opportunities, leading to a distribution
> of winners and losers that over the long term drives evolutionary
> change. Jet, you might want to get up to date with "The Selfish Gene"
> by Richard Dawkins. That is if you'd like to come off as being somewhat
> smarter than Aaron.
<sarcasm> How smart I appear in your eyes is really important to me. So
important, I'm going to rush out right now and get that book. </sarcasm>
>
> Jet, do you consider Aaron's rudeness to be defective behavior?
No.
> If so, why? The answer, of course, is that you don't like it.
> A rude person offends many other people, probably a majority of
> other people, and is therefore socially maladapted---i.e., defective.
You're just playing word games. Aaron was, I believe, specifically talking
about defective with regards to reproduction of the species. Not his
personal tastes.
> Most people, on some level, find homosexual behavior at least as
> offensive as rudeness. That is to say, they don't like it. It's not
> the sort of behavior they desire in the people closest to them:
> their family.
Guess I'm not "most people", then.
This is most obvious when they have a child who turns
> out to be a homosexual. A gay child who comes out usually causes the
> heterosexual parent to experience moderate to severe distress.
> A parent might be able to come to terms with that, but it's
> usually a process of overcoming a huge disappointment. The parent,
> of course, instinctively understands the threat to his or her
> long-term genetic survival resulting from any severe reproductive
> defects in his or her child. That is the source of the emotional
> distress.
If this concern of "long term genetic survival" is so strong, why do so many
people choose not to have kids?
>
> Jet, if during your few remaining years of fertility you bore a
> son would you want him to grow up to feel intense and exclusive
> urges to bugger other men? Or would you feel better if he grew
> up to be normal?
It would be a non issue.
>
> > Is masturbation defective behavior?
>
> You tell us what you think it is:
>
> a. If you knew a man masturbated from time to time,
> would you automatically rule him out as a relationship
> prospect for that reason?
No.
>
> b. If you knew a man buggered other men from time to time,
> would you automatically rule him out as a relationship
> prospect for that reason?
No.
J
>
> -- the Danimal
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