Linux-Advocacy Digest #652, Volume #29 Sat, 14 Oct 00 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Claire Lynn ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Claire Lynn ("Vann")
Re: Claire Lynn (Chris Sherlock)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Weevil")
Re: claire_lynn = "S"? (Chris Sherlock)
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Astroturfing (lyttlec)
A Public Service Announcement ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Double standards around here :( (Pan)
Re: A Public Service Announcement (.)
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux (.)
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux (.)
Re: Anybody want to test a widget? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Astroturfing
Re: Astroturfing (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Astroturfing (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Astroturfing (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linus interview (Matthias Warkus)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:14:54 GMT
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:48:05 -0700, Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Using SuSE Linux in any of the distributions running the
>2.2 kernel (which goes back quite a while - 2 years?),
>setting up ipchains requires that you read the manual
>section devoted to this and edit (IIRC) 2 scripts -
>one to turn on ip forwarding (one parameter), and one
>to configure packet filtering (4 parameters, I believe).
>This takes *at most* 5 minutes. I've done this three
>times over the last few years (once on, once off, and
>once more on again recently) - a total investment of
>15 minutes
I suggest you write a How-To that step by step explains this because
it get's asked constantly in the firewall groups and the last time I
looked at doing this under Linux, I gave up. I'm not a network person
though, but I was able to easily do it under Windows.
>
>What is time-consuming about ip masquerading is that
>Win98SE is incapable of retaining the necessary setup
>information to make either networking or ip forwarding
I don't have that problem on the 4 machines I have.
>The last time it happened, Win98SE also reported the
>registry was corrupted and ran a registry restore tool
>(similar to scandisk at boot). Just as an aside, I think
You seem to have an inordinate amount of Windows problems.
>You're basically comparing a functioning, reliable OS
>(Linux) to a piece of crap (Win98SE). It seems largely
>irrelevant how easy it is to configure something that
>isn't capable of functioning in the first place.
Works for me.
>> >> 2. You use vulgar language to make yourself feel good.
>
>> >Well, it was just one word. By USENET standards, that's pretty polite.
>> >But I'll tame it down a little if you can't take it, you ninny.
>
>> You're the ninny around here. You have yet to address the point. Is
>> that too much to ask?
>
>I have addressed your "point", so I'm sure you won't
>object now when I point out that you have in the past
>posted things which were crude and downright pornographic,
>as well as extremely homophobic. Pot:Kettle:Black.
Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle.
>Another pot:kettle:black - you have admittedly been
>trolling this newsgroup for several years under a
>variety of names, and have repeatedly invented cute
>little names for Linux advocates to accomplish your
>only apparent goal of ridiculing Linux advocates
>on this ng.
They do a pretty good job of it all by themselves.
>IMHO you have forfeited any claim to be treated with
>any kind of respect at all, as you have repeatedly
>failed to treat people here with any modicum of respect.
>And now you add hypocrisy to the list.
So first you tell me all about your Windows problems and now you are
turning the thread into a soapbox.
Typical twisted Linvocate thinking.
snip...some more thoughtless and un-original name calling.
BTW did you realize my spell checker offers the word "Frail" for your
name?
How appropriate.
claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:17:59 GMT
Pure entertainment. This collection of misguided, lost souls is one of
the most hilarious groups on the net.
Nothing more nothing less.
claire
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:15:46 GMT, "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've been lurking around this group for a few weeks now, and I've noticed
>a large volume of posts being made by Claire Lynn. I don't have anything
>
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From: "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:37:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pure entertainment. This collection of misguided, lost souls is one of
> the most hilarious groups on the net. Nothing more nothing less.
>
> claire
>
>
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:15:46 GMT, "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I've been lurking around this group for a few weeks now, and I've
>>noticed a large volume of posts being made by Claire Lynn. I don't have
>>anything
>>
Fair enough.
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:50:38 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
lol Me? A lost soul? I know *exactly* where I am! What does this have to
do with Linux, may I ask?
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Pure entertainment. This collection of misguided, lost souls is one of
> the most hilarious groups on the net.
> Nothing more nothing less.
>
> claire
>
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:15:46 GMT, "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I've been lurking around this group for a few weeks now, and I've noticed
> >a large volume of posts being made by Claire Lynn. I don't have anything
> >
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:58:17 -0500
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Weevil in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...trolling in denial of DR-DOS FUD...]
> >There was, it must be admitted, a suspicion among some people (myself
> >included) that Microsoft had done something to deliberately make Windows
> >incompatible with DR DOS.
>
> I recall having gone through this personally. Our four man office was
> using about eight PCs and two Macs (we were a PC training company, and
> that doesn't include the lab systems). Having followed the thing in the
> PC rags and watched DR-DOS drive innovation and development in DOS, I
> tried Windows (both 3.0 and 3.1, IIRC, and I'm not sure if the 3.1 was a
> beta, nor if I got the message; after reading so much about it I don't
> trust the recollection I have that I saw the FUD message in question, at
> that time). It seemed to run perfectly fine, but I knew damn well that
> Microsoft *would* do something to deliberately make Windows incompatible
> eventually, if people didn't buckle under and follow The Microsoft Way.
> If not for this move, DR-DOS would have been widely used, to be sure; it
> was indeed a superior product. Microsoft's only [anti-]"competitive"
> advantage, seriously, was the pre-load monopoly; they hadn't yet built
> the Windows Application Barrier.
>
> Even I was skeptical, at the time, of course, and considered it possible
> that Microsoft was just 'playing hardball' (the 'we don't *have* to
> support someone else's product' posturing), but in retrospect (and
> certainly given the internal communications which supports the facts,
> which were not entirely known at the time) to defend this behavior, or
> mitigate the gravity of it, let alone through empty pretenses of base
> ignorance and obfuscation is to demonstrate a complete lack of ability
> to think objectively about the matter, quite honestly. Simon
> demonstrates what I've suspected all along in his exchange with you,
> Weevil. He is either dishonest, or just not very bright.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
He is simply defending an indefensible position. He has already committed
himself to this strongly pro-Microsoft position, and he can't suddenly
change his mind about any of it. To do so, he would have to admit (to
himself and everyone else) that he has been wrong about everything, and that
would be far too embarassing and painful. Simon and his fellows generally
try to pass themselves off as either expert or very experienced with past
and present software technology, and they've tried to use this expertise to
bolster their arguments. To admit that they've been wrong about so much,
they would also have to admit that their technical expertise isn't quite as
strong as they thought (or possibly pretended).
I don't expect Simon or any of the other highly vocal Microsoft apologists
in here to publically change their minds, no matter how much proof is placed
in front of them. At most, they might stop posting. They might also pop up
some time later, under different names, and take the opposite side, this
time twice as aggressive as before, because now it's personal. Bill Gates
made them look like idiots, and now they're *** pissed ***.
Hmm...I wonder how many highly aggressive Microsoft bashers were once
pro-Microsoft?
jwb
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:09:53 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: claire_lynn = "S"?
While I don't really like some of the arguments that certain people make
on this newsgroup, is it really necessary to launch personal attacks?
It's hardly helpful!
Chris
Mike wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8s8bkc$l0l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Just a thought. I was wondering what happened to that old bugger.
> >
> > -ws
>
> I doubt it. Old S couldn't spell, and could barely manage a complete
> sentence (sometimes I thought the few S did produce were accidental).
>
> It's more likely that Kulkis is S. In Kulkis, you have a guy who can't
> spell, can't manage a coherent argument, and in general would be the guy who
> winds up in the corner yelling at the potted plant at company parties. And
> isn't that what everyone really thought about S?
>
> -- Mike --
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:20:27 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:bJSF5.893$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:00101318293500.28373@pc03...
> > Allow me to give you the idiot-proof version of how to make a
masquerading
> > firewall between a LAN and the internet through a dialup link using
Linux.
>
> ...
>
> > Step 2: Configure a masquerading firewall.
> >
> > The command for this is as follows
> >
> > ipchains -A forward -s 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0 -j MASQ
> >
> > Replace 10.4.0.0 with your real network and netmask. Simpler syntax:
> >
> > ipchains -A forward -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j MASQ
>
> You know, not once does it mention in the ipchains how-to this command
line.
> It took many hours of frustration and fiddling the first time I set up a
> masq box. The documentation on this just plain sucks and is years out of
> date.
Erik you should have tried pmfirewall, available here;
http://www.pointman.org/PMFirewall/
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From: lyttlec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:18:39 GMT
MS had to change the name. Now its Microsoft Certified Software
Professional. You can't hold yourself out to the public as an Engineer
unless you have completed 4 years of college, had 4 years experience and
passed the EIT and PE tests. If you do insist on using the title MSCE,
then you can be held personally liable for all damages everytime a
system in your charge crashes.
My advice to anyone using the MSCE on business cards : DON'T!
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Pan wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Proof, in writing (I'm not disagreeing, I would just like to see
> > > > some proof).
> > > >
> > > > 2. If #1 is true, how do I collect my money?
> > >
> > > A. By check, duh.
> > > B. We never claimed that EVERY shit-headed MS-cheerleader is on the MS payroll.
> >
> > true. Some of them just own stock in the company or have "engineering"
> > certification from the company. Without that certification, they'd have
> > to go by their other ( more accurate ) title, pc technician.
>
> Ain't that the truth. I've never met an MCSE who could survive for a
> single day in a 3rd-year computer engineering course at Purdue.
>
> >
> > --
> > Pan
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.la-online.com
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A Public Service Announcement
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:20:09 GMT
Taken from the firewall group:
******************************************************************************
Linux Advisory Watch is a comprehensive newsletter that outlines the
security vulnerabilities that have been announced throughout the week.
It includes pointers to updated packages and descriptions of each
vulnerability.
This week, advisories were released for mod_rewrite, mod_php3,
tmpwatch,
traceroute, boa, esound, usermode, gnorpm, openssh, apache, and
cfengine.
The vendors include Caldera, Conectiva, Debian, FreeBSD, Immunix,
LinuxPPC, Mandrake, SuSE, and Trustix. It is critical that you update
all
vulnerable packages to reduce the risk of being compromised.
http://www.linuxsecurity.com/vuln-newsletter.html
**********************************************************************************
Looks like it's been a busy week.
claire
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Double standards around here :(
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:44:12 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoth:
> Even so, I'll leave it
> to the investigator to dig up WHICH company :-).
>
> Quite simply, Microsoft had targeted this company for a certain
> amount of money, for each fiscal quarter, and they were going
> to get it any way they could. Initially, they were assuming
> an automatic upgrade to Office, with initial purchases of
> Office for about 30,000 workers who had PCs at home that
> they used to do company related work. I had already read
> the fine print on the licenses, pointed out the additional
> purchases (nearly $3 million dollars), and about two weeks
> later, Gartner noticed it too. Prudential opted to skip
> that upgrade and wait for the next version.
Ummm...I'll go out on a limb and say that the company was Prudential.
You slipped up on that one, Rex.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: A Public Service Announcement
Date: 14 Oct 2000 15:10:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Taken from the firewall group:
> ******************************************************************************
> Linux Advisory Watch is a comprehensive newsletter that outlines the
> security vulnerabilities that have been announced throughout the week.
> It includes pointers to updated packages and descriptions of each
> vulnerability.
> This week, advisories were released for mod_rewrite, mod_php3,
> tmpwatch,
> traceroute, boa, esound, usermode, gnorpm, openssh, apache, and
> cfengine.
> The vendors include Caldera, Conectiva, Debian, FreeBSD, Immunix,
> LinuxPPC, Mandrake, SuSE, and Trustix. It is critical that you update
> all
> vulnerable packages to reduce the risk of being compromised.
> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/vuln-newsletter.html
> **********************************************************************************
> Looks like it's been a busy week.
Indeed. It may be of note that at the very least, linux users are immediately
notified of security issues.
"That vulnerability is completely theoretical."
-- Microsoft
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:11:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Les Mikesell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:21:14 GMT
<KiQF5.9107$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I have sent your post to that person and thank you, but my point is
>> this.
>>
>> "You" know how to do this stuff.
>> He, and just about every other newbie who tries Linux does not. Notice
>> his comment about this topic being rehashed a lot? That's because it
>> is NOT easy compared to Windows.
>>
>> Under Windows with Norton or BlackIce or ZoneAlarm, this is trivial,
>> and he doesn't have to worry about screwing up and leaving himself
>> open to attack because of his ignorance of the subject. It's all be
>> taken care of by the experts although he is free to modify any
>> parameter he wishes freely.
>
>What's a Norton or BlackIce or ZoneAlarm, and how did you find
>out about them?
Well, Norton is a fairly popular set of utilities that have been
kicking around for a decade or so; BlackIce is a term lifted
from _Neuromancer_; ZoneAlarm is apparently a reference to
an alarm in a zone (IE has four "zones", from local to worldwide).
My guess is that all three are related to finding those nasty
computer viruses, trojans, worms, and what have you.
> I know someone in a remote office that has
>spent ages trying to make winproxy and RRAS on NT act as a
>VPN for several other machines. Last week he tried to put
>in a local mail server and ended up with a loop that bounced
>everything.
Errrrumm.....how does a local mail server relate to winproxy,
RRAS, and VPN??
Ow, my brain hurts.
>
>> It's not that it "can't" be done under Linux, it's just figuring out
>> where the documentation is that explains HOW to do it.
>> And then, being able to understand how to implement the changes.
>
>Linux stuff is pretty straightforward compared to getting something
>to actually work under Windows. I've dropped Linux boxes in other
>remote offices as mail servers (among other things) that have run
>unattended for years.
I hope you don't mean that literally. :-) But I'll admit, Unix
is like the Energizer bunny -- it keeps going and going and going and ....
Linux, too.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- maybe Energizer should sponsor a Linux distribution
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: 14 Oct 2000 15:12:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:48:05 -0700, Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>Using SuSE Linux in any of the distributions running the
>>2.2 kernel (which goes back quite a while - 2 years?),
>>setting up ipchains requires that you read the manual
>>section devoted to this and edit (IIRC) 2 scripts -
>>one to turn on ip forwarding (one parameter), and one
>>to configure packet filtering (4 parameters, I believe).
>>This takes *at most* 5 minutes. I've done this three
>>times over the last few years (once on, once off, and
>>once more on again recently) - a total investment of
>>15 minutes
> I suggest you write a How-To that step by step explains this because
> it get's asked constantly in the firewall groups and the last time I
> looked at doing this under Linux, I gave up. I'm not a network person
> though, but I was able to easily do it under Windows.
Actually, this particular project is consistently something that
people with some sampling of intelligence find fairly straight-
forward and simple.
Perhaps its time to consider the possibility that you simply
arent smart enough.
(or that you're too busy whining to use your brain)
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: 14 Oct 2000 15:13:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was waiting for some to mention that. The original person did his
> home work reading the documentation and still could not set it up
> which was my original point.
Thats because he was apparantly a complete moron.
> But as usual when the Linvocates run out of useful rebuttals, which in
> this case didn't take long, I get called a whore.
Well, you may or may not be a whore; thats your business. But you do
seem to be pretty stupid.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Anybody want to test a widget?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:14:44 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:40:16 GMT
<8s7vfv$bh5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> If you post your email on several lines (like in my sig) it seems to
>> be worm free.
>
>Thanks!
>
>wrinkledshirt
>@
>hotmail
>.
>com
>
>(sorry, but I still need the evil empire for some things)
>
>> Sorry i can't help, though.
>
>Rat bastard.
>
>-ws
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
Uh, can we at least get this thread back to discussing the widget, now? :-)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:17:54 GMT
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
, the Windows 2000 Server Family delivers three increasingly powerful
> products that set a new standard for reliability and scalability. The
> Windows 2000 Server Family also demonstrates how well an operating system
> can be integrated with a standards-based directory, Web, application,
> network, file and print services, and end-to-end management. This
> combination of reliability and functionality provides the best foundation
> for integrating your business with the Internet.
>
yeah! you are absolutely right......they do!....over Windows 95/98 that
is.... ;)
/IL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:19:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, ostracus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:22:37 +0500
<39e7dfa0$0$35009$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <kGLF5.22916$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Boris
>Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Blah-blah-blah.
>>
>> Asshole.
>
>Hmmm... unsurprising. Now why was this thread even crossposted to begin
>with?
Because Win2k is Obviously(tm) The Superior Operating System(tm).
You didn't know this? :-)
Mind you, from what I've seen, Win2K is a New(tm), Improved(tm)
version of Windows NT 4, The Bugless Operating System Which Now
Has Bugs(tm), but Win2K Is The New Bugless Operating System(tm).
I don't know what's hidden in there (that may be a comment on
Windows in general!), but menus which take a fraction of a second
to fade out instead of just disappearing isn't exactly my notion
of "innovative". Slick marketing, perhaps.
Go figure. (And they've still got that mindless Start button.
I guess they have the public well-trained now. Sigh.)
Mind you, there are things in there that sound like they've got meat
behind them -- Kerberos, for example.
We'll see.
[snip]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:29:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:50:42 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> And collectively have YET to provide one single shred of evidence that
>> specifically relates to this group..
>>
>> claire
>>
>> On 13 Oct 2000 22:45:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>
>> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >> Prove it..
>> >
>> >Dejanews, moron. That is, if you can figure out how to use it.
>> >
>> >We've been over this whole thing a dozen times.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----.
>http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980421S0020
Does that code mean April 21, 1998??
The author of this piece does not seem to be particularly
anti-Microsoft, although he's apparently not enamored of them, either.
>http://linuxtoday.com/stories/10912_flat.html
This one needs to be upgraded; Win2k is not mentioned therein.
This doesn't make it false, merely out of date. We may need
new benchmarks. It's also an opinion piece -- the author says so --
but the author is also apparently willing to explain in some detail
why he opines as he does. And he's probably not alone in his
opinions (the piece includes some comments from readers, as well).
All in all, a good piece, although not "proof" in the mathematical sense.
(But then, "proof" in the mathematical sense is good for mathematics
and not much else. :-) )
I do wonder about benchmarks, myself. The only useful benchmark
may be the one in one's own office.
>
>--
>http://www.mohawksoft.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- erm, we've now lost what we were trying to prove, though
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:37:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Drestin Black
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 13 Oct 2000 23:05:15 -0500
<39e7dac5$0$42775$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > The black helicopters are coming for you right now.
>> >
>>
>> It's well known that Microsoft pays people to post FUD to this newsgroup.
>
>Prove it. Document "well known"
There will be no proof either way. Surely the Nixon Administration
taught us all about "plausible deniability"! (Or was that Reagan?)
Microsoft is far too cagey to be caught in *that* trap.
Maybe we should argue something else? Like, maybe how good
the software really is? :-)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Microsoft may be good, but Linux is better :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Linus interview
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:56:51 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 14 Oct 2000 03:12:13 GMT...
...and elmig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One month or to ago linus giva an interview (on some expo) and he
> admited linux was years ago from windows (for the average joe and jane). So
> why so many crap on cola?
> Interview available on slashdot (find yourself! :p )
You should go and learn English first.
mawa
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-- The DynaTones.
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