Linux-Advocacy Digest #652, Volume #30 Mon, 4 Dec 00 22:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is awful ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's? ("Vann")
Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux is awful ("Graymalkin")
Re: OS Sound OFF. (Charlie Ebert)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Marty)
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Matt Kennel)
Re: Linux is awful ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Matt Kennel)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Re: Linux is awful ("Les Mikesell")
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:47:44 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Christopher L. Estep" wrote:
> >
> > That is precisely the fatal flaw in Linux, and why it will NEVER take
over
> > the majority of desktops: the steep learning curve. Compared to Linux,
NT 4
>
> You really are dense.
>
> It doesn't get "difficult" until you try to do things that aren't even
> POSSIBLE on a LoseDOS machine.
Oh, you mean like installing nvidia drivers for your TNT card. That's a
needlessly complex task under Linux, and a matter of a few automated steps
in Win2k.
Or how about turning on ultra DMA? Windows will often figure out if the
drive supports it and enable it. If it doesn't, it's a matter of right
clicking the drive in device manager and changing a dropdown box. With
Linux, it's figuring out a 20 parameter long hdparm string and figuring out
where in the startup scripts to put it.
What about installing TrueType Fonts? Dozens of steps in Linux, while it's
just a matter of dragging them to your font folder in Windows.
How about setting your monitor refresh rate?
That's just off the top of my head, I can list dozens of tasks that are much
much harder under Linux than Win 2000. Which tasks are easier under Linux?
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From: "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:43:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 07:43:58 GMT, Vann wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>
>>I believe jtnews wants to get a computer without Windows ME, and all the
>>other MS software. He could then pay less, since he isn't actually
>>purchasing the licenses. Basically, he only wants what he needs,
>>nothing more, nothing less.
>
> The problem is that the argument that "Linux computers are cheaper
> because you don't have to buy a Windows license" is not completely
> accurate, because you can run Win9x with crap hardware, which means that
> the cheapest Win9x system ends up being cheaper than (but not as good
> as) the cheapest linux system.
Did I even mention linux in my post? I don't think I did. Regardless,
you can get linux running on a 386 with misc. hardware. ( I've done it
with spare parts just sitting around. ) Nothing graphical, but it is more
than functional. A 386 system these days costs what, about nothing? I've
been given several. I'll be the first to admit linux is lagging in
several areas, but I don't think running on cheap hardware is one. Not
crap hardware, mind you. No OS works well on 'crap hardware', since, to
me, crap hardware means non-functioning hardware such as bad RAM.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot.
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:46:13 +1300
I found out that little perl of wisdom when installing Solaris, it's
quite useful when the window manager crashes, it reloads X back to the
login in screen (if you have chosen to use GUI login).
kiwiunixman
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> why not alt-ctrl-backspace to restart X
>
>
> Didn't know that one.
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:46:21 GMT
On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:04:44 GMT,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>> >
>> > The sad part is, the legal system WAS designed to handle crybaby losers
>> > like Gore, however, the Gore lawyers, the almost entirely Democrat
>> > controlled election system in Florida, and 7 Democratic activists -- er
>> > -- FL Supreme Court Justices managed to ursurp the Constitutional election
>> > power from the FL legislature and make a mockery of the Rule of Law.
>> >
>> > But then, this is nothing new for the Democrats, take the Impeachment.
>> > Clinton and Gore are bullet proof. Laws do not apply to them, so they
>> > can bend it and stretch it to however they see fit. It's unfortunate
>> > that there are so many willing accomplices willing to throw conscience
>> > to the wind and do whatever he says no matter the Constitutional
>> > ramifications.
>> >
>> > The really, really sad part is, the American public is too ignorant to
>> > understand it, let alone get angered about it. A large portion of them
>> > think Hilary is right when she wants to do away with the electoral college.
>> > If it were her druthers, she'd abolish the Constitution all together.
>>
>> I'd stop listening to AM radio if I were you. Start reading newspapers.
>> Find some good history books. Start looking into the shenanigans of
>> your own party.
>
>Can you so blindly dismiss the truth?
>
>Can you not see what is going on, or what has gone on? Unfortunately, you
>are one of the ignorant Americans I was referring to. You seem fit to
>dismiss the obvious because it's not something you want to be confronted
>with. Please note I'm not attacking you personally, or calling you stupid
>or anything like that. I'm just saying that there are many people out there
>too busy to be concerned with how their government is being systematically
>overturned right under their noses.
>
>It wasn't three days after Hillary was elected and she wanted to change
>the Constitution. There is a pattern here...
>
>-Chad
>
Boy! It's very cold out there today!
Ah, I have to agree with Chad. We need to put Al Gore on the moon
with a 30 minute supply of air for the crap he's pulled this last
few days. Further, we need to wipe out the Democrat party and
start one which actually represents the middle class.
My message to the Republicans is, WHERE'S MY TAX BREAK!!!!
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 01:51:20 GMT
On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 22:23:36 GMT, JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:08:27 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> >> So you're saying TCP/IP is not built into the NT kernel, but is built
>>into
>>> >> the Linux kernel?
>>> >
>>> >Correct.
>>> >
>>> >> I guess I don't understand what this thread is now belaboring.
>>> >
>>> >It's belaboring the point the mlw made a silly statement about having to
>>> >reboot to remove TCP/IP in windows (presumably implying that you don't
>>have
>>> >to in Linux, which was wrong).
>>>
>>> Reboot Linux to remove tcp/ip?
>>
>>Note the word *REMOVE*.
>>
>>> Fukenbusch! Your on drugs!
>>>
>>> You don't have to reboot Linux for ANYTHING EXCEPT, changing out
>>> the kernel! And you don't have to change the kernel to turn off
>>> TCP/IP.
>>
>>Turning off is not removing. In order to remove TCP/IP, you must rebuild
>>the kernel without it.
>
>Why don't you just disable it?
>
>>> Now, they may have finally come around and fixed W2K to finally
>>> allow people to adjust network settings without rebooting the
>>> box, but you are not going to feed anybody here this line of
>>> crap about having to reboot Linux to adjust or just turn off
>>> TCP/IP. That's just total bullshit and your not going to
>>> get away with it.
>
>>*REMOVE*, not *TURN OFF*. Enhance your reading comprehension skills
>>Charlie.
>
>Why "*REMOVE*" when you can "*TURN OFF*"?????
Fukenbusch! You are full of shit!
By this argument your actually trying to sell the crowd
that there IS a way to REMOVE TCPIP from Windows 2000
and not just TURN IT OFF!!!!
You need a bone marrow transplant to the BRAIN Fukenbusch!
Who is going to listen to this 3 year old shit!
Get off COLA!
Charlie
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:05:12 -0600
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>*REMOVE*, not *TURN OFF*. Enhance your reading comprehension skills
> >>Charlie.
> >
> >Why "*REMOVE*" when you can "*TURN OFF*"?????
>
> Fukenbusch! You are full of shit!
> By this argument your actually trying to sell the crowd
> that there IS a way to REMOVE TCPIP from Windows 2000
> and not just TURN IT OFF!!!!
TCP/IP is not built into the kernel in Win2k like it is in Linux. You can
remove it by simply unbinding it and deleting the files. This is done for
you automatically by the network connections properties when you highlight
the the TCP/IP entry and click the button conspicuously labeled "Remove'.
It works the same way in NT4 BTW.
You're the one that's full of shit, Charlie. You don't even know one iota
about what you're talking about.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's?
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:08:29 -0600
"Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:dLXW5.4715$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> > On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 07:43:58 GMT, Vann wrote:
> >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> >
> >>I believe jtnews wants to get a computer without Windows ME, and all the
> >>other MS software. He could then pay less, since he isn't actually
> >>purchasing the licenses. Basically, he only wants what he needs,
> >>nothing more, nothing less.
> >
> > The problem is that the argument that "Linux computers are cheaper
> > because you don't have to buy a Windows license" is not completely
> > accurate, because you can run Win9x with crap hardware, which means that
> > the cheapest Win9x system ends up being cheaper than (but not as good
> > as) the cheapest linux system.
> Did I even mention linux in my post? I don't think I did.
No, but jtnews did. Which is what we're talking about. What HE wants.
> Regardless,
> you can get linux running on a 386 with misc. hardware. ( I've done it
> with spare parts just sitting around. ) Nothing graphical, but it is more
> than functional. A 386 system these days costs what, about nothing? I've
> been given several. I'll be the first to admit linux is lagging in
> several areas, but I don't think running on cheap hardware is one.
But he specifically wants a Celeron 600 system with a CDRW and Linksys
10/100 ethernet and SoundBlaster 64V PCI. I don't think you're going to get
that with a used 386.
> Not
> crap hardware, mind you. No OS works well on 'crap hardware', since, to
> me, crap hardware means non-functioning hardware such as bad RAM.
In new systems, crap hardware means things like winmodems, and video
chipsets with shared video/system memory.
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From: "Graymalkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:13:42 GMT
Who the fuck cares about what is going on inside of the computer, thats why
we use them and don't try to do a bunch of mathematical computations by
hand. A system that is easy to use is not automatically weak which is a
relative term anyways. A CLI is very weak at doing graphical work. If you
want to make sure a system is not prone to excessive error you reduce the
number of input windows and streamline the arguments. If you want to use
some Unix command to find out what processes are running and save it to a
file you have to type out a fairly long piped argument into the shell. This
puts a good deal of responsibility on the user not to fuck up said command.
Why not just have a command that automatically puts the output of a process
report into a text file (do this as you wish, either a compiled program or
script). The system is now easier to use; is the system any less powerful or
extensible? I write perl scripts all the time that make my life easier by
automating tasks I have to do often (read making my system that much easier
to use). Does this make me stupider or smarter than you? Your car most
likely has some form of power assist braking and steering, would you rather
not be abstracted from the task of stopping your car or steering it on the
freeway just so you'd get a more in depth understanding of how it worked?
"Adam Schuetze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:04:39 GMT, Christopher L. Estep
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That is precisely the fatal flaw in Linux, and why it will
> > NEVER take over the majority of desktops: the steep learning
> > curve.
>
> I don't see this as a flaw.
>
> Who ever said linux should take over the majority of desktops
> anyway? Linux is for people who want to learn about their
> computer, not for the masses who couldn't care less.
>
> A lot of people keep saying that it's a flaw. I don't get it.
> If something is really really easy to use (read: weak), then it
> wasn't worth using in the first place.
>
> I think that if Linux ever became as luser friendly as windows,
> I would probably find something else to tinker with.
>
> I see this as a feature of linux that sets it apart from all the
> lamer-just-follow-the-instructions-we-know-whats-best-for-you
> operating systems.
>
> GASP! You actually must know whats going on to use the system
> to it's potential!
>
> Perish the thought that the user may be educated in the ways of
> his equipment.
>
> Much better if the users remain stupid, and do not have to learn
> anything.
>
> Much better indeed.
>
> If you can't see the sarcasm, look again. It's there.
>
>
> --
> Adam Schuetze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Get my pgp keys at http://www.adam-schuetze.org
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: OS Sound OFF.
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:29:39 GMT
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:30:48 +0100,
Roy.Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Everybody who reads this, sound off with your OS please.
>> The one your using or like the most.
>>
>> Then the others you use follow.
>>
>> Using Debian 2.3 Woody
>
>I hate dselect. It must be me because other debian users I know
>have no problem with it. I find dselect so confusing that it
>drives me mad. I would really like to use debian as apt-get is
>brilliant but the initial install just pisses me off.
>
>I've used redhat 5.0 and 6.2. Without a doubt in my mind the
>easiest and fastest Linux installations I have done.
>
>However, I prefer SuSE linux. I've run SuSE since 5. something
>through 7.0 prefessional. It comes with so many packages that
>there is not much else I need.
>
>For office suite I use ApplixWare. Fast, simple interface and
>very extensible with ELF.
>
>With the Lexmark z52 printer, Linux driver and management GUI
>freely downloadable, I now have superb colour printing under
>Linux.
>
>Everything I need is available for Linux.
>
>I still miss OS-8 on a PDP-8 and teco:-)
I didn't mean to get you mad but that's yet another
beauty of Linux. If you don't like one distribution
you CAN go elsewhere and stay somewhat compatible
with your cousins.
Windows has compatibility to some degree amongst
their platforms but I can't stand looking at the
same desktop day in and day out. It makes
me want to just throw up.
With Linux in general you can switch out your
desktop with something different for a change
if you are getting tired of looking at the
same old thing.
Charlie
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:32:23 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Invective five times does not make a logical argument, Aaron.
How ironic.
DT] Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Marty?
DT] Reading comprehension problem noted again.
DT] Reading comprehension problem noted again.
DT] Reading comprehension problem noted again.
DT] Still suffering from memory problems, Marty?
MA] I'll give you a limit of 5 before the discussion ends.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:41:09 +1300
Howmany large organisations do you know jumps on the tpc.org wedsite and
say, oooooo, I better by a Winblows server. Maybe a small company in
hicksville someware would base their decision on those so-called bench
marks, but I would doubt that large companys such as Griffins,
Coca-Cola, Kelloggs, DHL, Fedex and NZPost would base their purchase on
such data.
kiwiunixman
<www.snip.com>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 02:48:50 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
On 5 Dec 2000 00:27:56 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:: news:909ebd$nc2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:
::> No. The solution is to make it so that normal user ID's can't
::> futz with the system, thus killing two birds with one stone by
::> also solving the problem of local system security.
:
:: Done on the non-9x line.
:
:Not really. How does one temporarily "su" to Administrator just
:to run one GUI app, and then get out, without logging all the way
:out and back in?
----------------------------------------
| |
| This program requires 'root' |
| privileges, and may be dangerous |
| if you do something unwise. |
| |
| Type in the root password here |
| to proceed: ________________ |
| |
| | OK | | Cancel| |
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:That sort of thing is needed or else people who
:can will tend to run as Admin all the time so they can get things
:done without having to log out and in all the time.
No they won't.
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:52:53 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90fk68$fko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <90f756$f77$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but what I understand you are saying is that
> Linux
> > is great however, there are some quirks that need to be fixed up, and
the
> > GUI needs to be refined a little more before the mainstream user jumps
on
> > the bandwagon. Correct?
>
> Pretty much, though I can't stand the CLI command set.
You don't have to use it as-is. Wrap the things you do often in shell
scripts, aliases, or shell functions.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 02:56:57 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:19:45 GMT, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:
:>>> Are you psychic or psychotic?
:
:>> You don't have to be either, just a bit less than dim-witted. If you
:>> use e.g. SGML for your data format, it isn't very hard to be forward
:>> compatible.
:
:> But that isn't the case, and IIRC nobody is doing that.
:
:Yes, a lot of people use closed and proprietary data formats, since
:they then get an interface they're used to. Not everybody,though.
:
:It's not a technical problem, though, the lack of forward
:compatibility is either due to
:
: a) incompetence and short-sightedness
: b) wishing to lock in users and force software upgrades
: c) malice
:
:In most cases, I'd be inclined to suggest a). Feel free to make up
:your own mind.
The subpoenaed record of internal Microsoft documents over the last 10
years has shown that in many reasonably similar situations, the intent
was principally (b), the motivation being "anti-competitive practices
to get more money for Microsoft", which some people might consider to
be malicious.
Think about it this way.
Microsoft is making a really BIG push for XML, and working with
various XML standardization committees for various industries to
decide on their data formats.
Note that XML is just syntax by itself; the definition of the semantics of
the tags by such committees is the crucial piece.
Where is the XML standardization committee for
THE WORD PROCESSING INDUSTRY?
and will Word 200x use the standard format therein as its native format?
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:59:42 GMT
On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:17:44 GMT, Christopher L. Estep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:90h8b7$110de$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >You mean "each and ever trifling configuration change"
>> >
>>
>>
>> Thanks for correcting my mistake Aaron.
>>
>>
>> I guess the CTRL-ALT-DEL to logon on NT is on of ms's in-jokes at their
>> gullible customers.
>
>This unalterable (at least in NT 4) way of forcing identification is
>actually a strength in the NT security model.
>
>You can (and most companies do) lock down terminals (or Linux/UNIX boxes) in
>similar fashion.
There is nothing magic about c/a/d/. ANY keystroke combination could have been
used equally. If the keyboard driver isn't secure then no part of the OS can be
considered secure.
For MS, the advantage using c/a/d/ has is making people accidentally reboot
other operating systems.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 03:03:37 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >Can't speak about Mandrake because I've never used it, but I installed
> >Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 on my Optiplex GX200 and it went perfectly.
> >
>
> Debian is the most amazing distribution of Linux there is.
> The functionality found in standard Debian actually rivals
> the flashy Mandrake/Suse distributions and the performance
> is so much better.
Huh? Once you get them installed, the code is all the same. How
can the performance be better?
Les Mikesell
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