Linux-Advocacy Digest #662, Volume #29 Sat, 14 Oct 00 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: Astroturfing ("JS/PL")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux (sfcybear)
Re: Ms employees begging for food ("JS/PL")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: welcome to the world of objects (FM)
Re: Claire Lynn (Charles M)
Re: Ms employees begging for food ("Eric Gisin")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: Claire Lynn (sfcybear)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Loren
Petrich)
Re: David T. Johnson lies again ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:45:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The skills that help me most in the civilian world you wouldn't begin
> to understand, being a pinko anti-military kook.
Someone who prides himself on his career in an instrument of state
coercion. And a highly collectivist one at that. Just like Mr. Kulkis.
> > Such as run the military so you won't have to organize your own
> >militia?
> My military service had nothing to do with "what the government can do
> for me" it was quite the opposite actually.
That's NOT what I had in mind. It was having the government run
armed forces so one can be lazy and dependent on the government for
protection, at least if we are to believe a lot of right-wing rhetoric
on other stuff.
> It was "What can I do for my country" ...
Such as pay taxes?
> Life is a series of handouts!! HA!!
Don't you wish you had been left in the woods when you were born, so
you would never have to depend on handouts over your entire life?
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:45:39 -0400
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> WHICH APPS ARE CRASHING ON YOU. How do you expect to be believed if you
> don't provide even the slightest speck of information.
Well, the dial up app has crashed several times, but the big problem is,
hardly any will even open at all. It's not a bad hard drive as Win2k doesn't
seem to have a problem using the same drive.
http://badlinux.dynip.com/1.gif
note - the time at the bottom right
http://badlinux.dynip.com/1a.gif
note - only the top choice of newsreaders will open at all
http://badlinux.dynip.com/2.gif
note - it's still "working" at opening up that directory.
I had a screenshot of HardDrake showing 66mb of memory even though 256 is
installed, but I forgot to put it on the floppy.
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:52:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a solution: GET A FUCKING JOB.
Presupposing that one can find a job if one tried.
> First...AFDC, WIC, SSI, etc, do NOT encourage anybody to "get back on their
> feet"...quite the opposite...it encourages them to further indulge in their
> pathological behavior.
I'm sure that Mr. Kulkis has been mugged numerous times by retirees
-- their receiving pensions and Social Security and Medicare had
clearly made them do it.
> If the government wasn't confiscating %50 of what I earn, I could
> be helping numerous people actually
It's not confiscation. It's the law. I find this a strange attitude
for someone who professes to believe in law and order.
> Answer: Never...this country was founded upon the principle of
> PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
Except, of course, for Mr. Kulkis. If he got fired for venomously
making lots of accusations against his fellow employees, he'd blame it
on anyone other than himself.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:37:23 GMT
Eric is a clasic example of a wintrol that can not read, from ipchains
howto:
# ipchains -P forward DENY
# ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ
# echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
3 steps to masqurading. Wow that was rough. Masqurading is what eric was
claiming that he wanted to do... well, this has worked every time!!!!
and it is right there for all to read
But it's hard to find, you say??? Ha! It;s under its own heading!
3.1 Rusty's Three-Line Guide To Masquerading.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Classic example of the Linvocate not responding to what was written
> but inserting what proves HIS point.
>
> They must have some kind of a secret manual that teaches them how to
> do these things.
>
> claire
>
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:00:36 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > ipchains -A forward -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j MASQ
> >> >
> >> > You know, not once does it mention in the ipchains how-to this
command
> >line.
> >> > It took many hours of frustration and fiddling the first time I
set up a
> >> > masq box. The documentation on this just plain sucks and is
years out
> >of
> >> > date.
> >>
> >> I had no problem finding it. Section 3.3 "Configuring IP
Forwarding
> >Policies"
> >> in IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.
> >
> >I said ipchains-howto. The IP-Masquerade-HOWTO doesn't seem to exist
on any
> >distribution I have (though I haven't checked my Mandrake 7.1 CD
yet). It
> >certainly doesn't exist on the RedHat 6.1 CD.
> >
> >
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Ms employees begging for food
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:50:11 -0400
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8sasjl$dho$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> neJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:04:24 -0400, unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >A picture claiming to show former monoposoft employees begging for
> food...
> > >An image from a site dedicated to spreading the "truth"-
> > >
> > >http://www.nwlink.com/~rodvan/microsoft/street1.html
> > >
> > >Don't let this happen to you. Learn linux now ;-)
> >
> > You sure that picture wasn't really of Linux investors??? Red Hat is
> > down what, 90% from it's high?
>
> I guess your not bright enough to see the windows logos. eh?
I guess your not bright enough to see that it's had a real bad "fake" job
done on the original graphic. It probably did say Red Hat originally. And
"Will write Linux applications for food"
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:54:19 GMT
In article <0DOE5.28767$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's another solution: LOWER THE FUCKING TAXES
If you are young, and not against taxes, you have no heart.
If you are old, and unwilling to accept taxes, you have no brain.
But if this doesn't grab you, how about this:
Negative taxation for everybody -- the government gives everybody
money and that way everybody has *MUCH* more money to spend. And life
would be *SO* much better, right???
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FM)
Subject: Re: welcome to the world of objects
Date: 15 Oct 2000 00:19:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas Corriher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Most people who believe in (accept) the existence of God,
>would in most cases, be more logical than those who dispute
>the existence of God.
Ah, not again.
Most people who believe in the existence of God either
have illogically convinced themselves that there is
some logical basis in the existence of God or accept it
as a matter of faith without any logical basis.
Those who *dispute* the existence of God simply question
it because they refuse to accept it as a matter of faith
and feel that the arguments in favor it aren't logically
convincing otherwise.
>They normally don't go about attacking
>the belief systems of others; even when others foolishly
>state that the human race was "self-created" from virus
>matter, and later frogs, and then monkeys. I do not have any
>monkeys in my family tree.
If you are completely unwilling or unable to understand
the theory of evolution, how do you expect anyone else
to take you seriously on the matter of its correctness?
>Perhaps some of the people here
>do. It is no coincidence that "evolution" (like many pagan
>religions) links the human race to nature and the animal
>kingdom. They are visions of humanity being more beastial,
>or in Christian terms: more like "The Beast", or as some
>Hindus might say "The Great Devourer".
There is absolutely no *logic* in the above you wrote.
It's vaguely associative, and full of holes. Here's some
analysis:
In Christian theology, human beings, from their creation,
are fundamentally distinguished from other animals.
In Christian theology, animal (bodily/temporal) aspects
of humans are often condemned and linked to manifestations
of evil.
The theory of evolution puts an emphasis on humans as
animals and concludes that the development of humans as a
species is no different from any other animal species.
Therefore, assuming Christian theology as the definitive
source of scientific wisdom and morality, the theory of
evolution is evil and thus incorrect!
>Of course, the
>attacker's "logic" is always recursive, because it is based
>on a belief system too. Legitimately religious people don't
>normally assault these people who "educate" others about
>their contrary beliefs. This is true even when a religion
>is created from this anti-Christian (humanistic) movement
>and then forced on their children by masquerading it as the
>"science" of "evolution". This "education" is not only
>unscientific, but it is also illogical and immoral.
Which is why you are "assaulting" these people? Or did you
mean physical assault? I don't remember any religious
hate-crimes committed by atheists, do you? As for
Christianity and its glorious history...
Dan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles M)
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
Date: 15 Oct 2000 00:55:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:04:23 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What is not clear to the casual viewer is that "Clair" is an alter ego
>of another poster. I leave it in the capable hands of the curious to
>discover whom.
>
>--
>http://www.mohawksoft.com
I hate it when people leave such coy messages.
'She' has been numerous identities: Steve, Keys, Heather ....
Are you refering to one of these (which haven't been
used in a while), a new identity, or do you mean
Claire is the alias of another pre-existing poster?
If so, why not state who? Or at least, what makes
you think so? *
CMM
* I suppose I could watch who posts to support 'her'
since 'she' has a habit of defending her own posts using
other aliases, but is it really worth it?
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From: "Eric Gisin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ms employees begging for food
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:38:05 -0700
Membershit in the penguin cult seems to turn some of them into trolls.
"unicat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: A picture claiming to show former monoposoft employees begging for food...
: An image from a site dedicated to spreading the "truth"-
:
: http://www.nwlink.com/~rodvan/microsoft/street1.html
:
: Don't let this happen to you. Learn linux now ;-)
:
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:59:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Furthermore you have illustrated nicely (by leaving him the cans) what
> I said earlier in the thread to the idiot loren. Americans are
> generous people and help should be provided to those in genuine need
> of assistance at the community level.
However, they have not been able to spend very much on him, while
Mr. Static66's beloved rich people have not spent a cent on him.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:47:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Whatever.
>
> Most of the Linvocates in this group can't advocate their collective
> ass's out of a paper bag. They may be technically astute, but their
> companies lock them away in rubber coding rooms far from the clients
> because they are so, well, geeky.
>
> They use a variety of tricks to worm and slither around an arguments.
>
> 1.Change the subject.
as do winvocates
> 2.Don't even address the subject.
as do winvocates
> 3.Drag other topics into the subject.
as do winvocates
> 4. Play semantics.
winvocates BIG TIME!
> 5.Offer absolutely no proof when they are contested.
winvocates again
> 6. Out and out lie.
calling the kettle black again dearie?
> 7.Compare current Linux to version a of Windows 95.
Yeah, you should see how many times we've had to sit though BS about out
dated kernels!
> 8. Resort to name calling when all else fails.
WOW, you should see some of the names I've been called
>
> A pathetic bunch of geeks infest this group. But you do serve a
> purpose. You guys have absolutely no idea how much slap-stick
> entertainment you provide for so many folks just looking for a laugh.
>
> Linux can be quite funny at times. Especially with a sorry bunch of
> fools advocating it.
>
> This group is the biggest joke on the entire net. It gets mentioned in
> the trade rags all the time as well as in user groups, at least where
> I live. We think it is hysterical.
>
> You are your own worst enemies because people wander into this group,
> take a look around and say to themselves, "These Linux people are a
> miserable lot". And they are.
>
> We got a guy who talks like Dr. Seuss.
> We got a guy who writes a dissertation to every question.
> We have a guy who can't use a spell checker.
> Another one who just makes up "facts" as he goes along.
> A couple of Sci-Fi nuts with this Tholen thing that goes on forever.
> A couple of developers, why the hell they are here is beyond me?
Haaaa, if it's so bad here why stay?
> Some nasty folks.
> People complaining when their 486 computer won't work.
> People who like to dissect every word all the time ignoring the
> context of the statement.
Many times the wording of a statement is VERY important!
> You guys even have to kill filter your own advocates.
Naw, only wintrolls
>
> Yes we have it all here in COLA.
>
> It's just like a Circus, only better.
>From a real clown
>
> I have to wonder how many are kids either in High School or College.
> It's quite obvious that some have never seen the inside of a glass
> house.
>
Talk to us when you get out of 6th grade
> claire
>
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:56:52 GMT, sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >And you, claire, are the bigest joke here!
> >
> >
> >
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Pure entertainment. This collection of misguided, lost souls is one
of
> >> the most hilarious groups on the net.
> >> Nothing more nothing less.
> >>
> >> claire
> >>
> >> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:15:46 GMT, "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've been lurking around this group for a few weeks now, and I've
> >noticed
> >> >a large volume of posts being made by Claire Lynn. I don't have
> >anything
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:00:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:07:26 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, STATIC66
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Keep ducking and weaving Loren!! You don't like hearing than
> >> "visionary" Algore is a rich,poluting,beltway boy do you???
> >
> > Something you right-wingers normally pride yourself on being.
>
> HaHaHaHa yes we are all rich, poluting bastards..Still not coming to
> terms with reality are you...
Thank you for admitting what you are.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: David T. Johnson lies again
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:51:26 GMT
Marty writes:
>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> You continue to repeat the same arguments which futilely attempt to
>>>>>> characterize my replies to your personal attacks and name-calling as
>>>>>> 'harassment and denigration' of OS/2 developers. You have falsely
>>>>>> accused me of harassment and denigration of OS/2 developers. For that,
>>>>>> you will have to answer.
>>>>> I'll let you know when I'm scared. In the meantime, get on with your
>>>>> life and try not to be such a hypocrite in the future so that we can
>>>>> avoid these situations.
>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
>>> Likewise.
>> I didn't preach anything in the above statement, Marty. However, you did.
> Incorrect. You preached that I should practice what I preach.
That was a suggestion, Marty.
> I'm suggesting that you practice the act of practicing what you preach.
How ironic.
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