Linux-Advocacy Digest #662, Volume #33 Tue, 17 Apr 01 10:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: Communism
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism, Communist
propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) ("Tom Wilson")
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:17:37 +1000
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, John A. Stovall wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2001 23:34:19 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Yes...the Communists believe in LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of environmental
> >> > regulations on industry, with all of the economic burden which results
> >> > FOR ***OTHER*** COUNTRIES....MORON.
> >>
> >> Well name these countries,please.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >
> >Mathew,
> >
> >I do not support Aaron's choice of words and I think you present yourself in
> >an honorable way, although I completely disagree with your arguments.
> >However, I have to say that USSR was extremely active in promoting
> >enviro-politics (Green Party in Germany was basically funded by USSR and
> >they never really deny that.
Did the Greens help clean up the damage to the Black Forest?
>
> If memory serves me, their support of the Greens started was part of
> their propaganda offensive against the NATO deployment of Pershing
> missiles in Europe.
>
>
> *****************************************************
>
> Time and death and the space between the stars
> remain still larger than ourselves.
>
> "African Genesis"
> Robert Ardrey
>
>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:22:16 GMT
>>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>>
Aaron> Fulcanelli wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Walter Daniels wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The Japanese Government(?) and Japanese business, are so intertwined
>> >> > > taht there isd effectively no difference. This due in large part, to
>> >> > > their decision after WWII, to "co-ordinate" business policies. There
>> >> > > is a ministry, whose name escapes me, that literally controls research
>> >> > > and development. No R&D is done, without their permission. IIRC, it
>> >> > > also determines what can be imprted/exported.
>> >> >
>> >> > Which, of course, means you have a state capitalist system, similar in
>> >> > ways to authoritarian state capitalist systems in other Asian states, like
>> >> > Korea and Taiwan, though each have moved towards democracy, and Japan is
>> >> > democratic.
>> >> >
>> >> > None of that suggests Japan is fascist. Anyone who makes that claim is
>> >> > ignorant about what fascism is, and engaged in hyperbolic rhetoric that
>> >> > creates more heat than light.
>> >>
>> >> Good point. Fascism has always, by it's nature, been anti-democratic and
>> >> to equate a democratic nation with Fascism is silly. Now some people
>> >> might argue that the democracy is an illusion, like some Socialists, but
>> >> they'd never do something like claim that a democratic nation is Fascist.
>> >> Another thing Daniels doesn't know is that, in Fascism, the state
>> >> *assists* big business in maintaining and increasing production, as
>> >> opposed to acting as a burden. This would make the Bush administration
>> >> more like Fascism than Japan easily.
>>
Aaron> Clue for the Clueless...most of the "corporate welfare", as Robert Reich
Aaron> so succinctly put it...was instituted by Democrats.
>> Lots was, but I expect most of that is now rolled off.
Aaron> Republicans (and especially libertarians) advocate that the government
Aaron> neither hinder NOR ASSIST businesses.
>> Read the Cato (fairly libertarian) report on Corporate Welfare. The
>> GOP is in it as big as the democrats were when they were in power.
Aaron> And this absolves the Demoncrooks of guilt how exactly?
In no way manner or form. The democrats are as bad
as the GOP who you were trying to absolve of guilt.
The Cato report proves you wrong.
--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:31:28 +1000
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Charles Lyttle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mathew wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:51:42 GMT,
> > > > > > > silverback, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > > > brought forth the following words...:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>Goldhammer wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> > > > > > > >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
> > > > > > > >>> >the economy,
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>Precisely.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
> > > > > > > >communism. They have nothing in common.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fascicsm=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > > > > > Communism=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about Capitalist Fascist dictatorships like the
> > > > > > Philippines,particulary under Marcos.
> > > > >
> > > > > Capitalism and Fascism are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TERMS, you goddmned fucking
>moron.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > BZZZZT. Wrong. Both the Italian and Spanish Fascist governments were
> > > > very capitalistic. Capital is just one of the Bunds that make up a
> > > > Fascist government. Labor, Church, Military are three others.
> > >
> > > Wrong. Free Markets are fundamental to the definition of Capitalism.
> > > Fascism's oppressive state involvement in the economy PREVENTS any
> > > true Free Market...thus, Capitalism and Fascism are mutually exclusive.
> > >
> > BZZT. WRONG again. Capitalism has nothing to do with free markets. In
> > fact, once the GOVERNMENT starts creating artifical persons in the form
> > of corporations, free markets go out the window. No capitalist country
> > has free markets. In Fascist countries, it often happens that Capital
> > controls the government. The US and Japan are two of the most
> > capitalistic countries around. Just try to take a boat load of
> > California oranges to Japan and sell them. Or get a load of Japaneese
> > eletronics/games/CDs and bring them here to sell. Both countries would
> > be out to hang you for interfearing with the the local capitalist.
> >
>
> Japan is fascist.
Explain how Japan is facist.
>
> The US is a mixed economy with heavy doses of leftism. (We merely have
> less leftism than the rest of the industrialized world).
>
>
> In an ideal capitalist economy, there are NO import restrictions.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> > > Hope that helps, uneducated fool.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Japan and several other Asian/Pacific countries also adopted variants of
> > > > Fascism. In Japan the primary Bunds today are Merchant, Farmer,
> > > > Industry, the Military haveing fallen in disgrace after WWII.
> > >
> > > Scott Erb (Professional blackboard washer), are you listening????
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wow! no similarity there!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jim Richardson
> > > > > > > Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> > > > > > > WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> > > > > > > Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 17 Apr 2001 13:33:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 17 Apr 2001 00:10:57 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On 16 Apr 2001 22:46:11 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That there was no standard in 3000BC of massive rape of women of the defeated.
>>>>
>>>>I am not conceding that yet. Let's work a little more in that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Either you can support that assertion or you can't. Here we are about 20
>>>ridiculous posts later and you still have not to come up with ANY shred
>>>of evidence that your assertion is not an absurd fact that you just made
>>>up in your head.
>>>
>>>Either provide some evidence or give it up.
>>
>
>Won't provide a single shred of evidence...again. You made it up in your
>head cause it sounded good and you thought it would help you argument.
Excuse me, but why are you replying to yourself?
>>Well, I had something going on above, but you deleted it.
>>Recapitulating: you agree that at 1300BC, the israelites did rape the women
>>of the defeated?
>>
>
>Nope. Never agreed to that. Yet another "fact" that you've made up in your
>head.
I am not SAYING you agreed, I am ASKING if you agreed.
You apparently believe that the prisoners, after every man and infant,
and every non-virgin woman was savagely murdered, were kept for marriage.
I say that's a way more unlikely idea than saying they were kept for rape
and enslavement. And I see nothing in the bible going one way or the other.
Why is your guess better than mine?
>Still no facts or evidence from you. It's really very simple. You can
>either support your claim or you can't. Talking about Moses has nothing
>whatsoever to do with some "standard" of warfare from 3000BC that you've
>fabricated in your head.
Well, you apparently dodge this once and agin:
If they were savage bloody murderous barbarians in 1300BC, were they
actually BETTER 1700 years earlier?
Every time I ask that, you delete it. Why?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:34:07 +1000
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> silverback wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:00:58 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Charles Lyttle wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Mathew wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:51:42 GMT,
> > >> > > > silverback, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >> > > > brought forth the following words...:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > >> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >>Goldhammer wrote:
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> > >> > > > >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
> > >> > > > >>> >the economy,
> > >> > > > >>>
> > >> > > > >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>Precisely.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
> > >> > > > >communism. They have nothing in common.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Fascicsm=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > >> > > > Communism=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What about Capitalist Fascist dictatorships like the
> > >> > > Philippines,particulary under Marcos.
> > >> >
> > >> > Capitalism and Fascism are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TERMS, you goddmned fucking
>moron.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> BZZZZT. Wrong. Both the Italian and Spanish Fascist governments were
> > >> very capitalistic. Capital is just one of the Bunds that make up a
> > >> Fascist government. Labor, Church, Military are three others.
> > >
> > >Wrong. Free Markets are fundamental to the definition of Capitalism.
> > >Fascism's oppressive state involvement in the economy PREVENTS any
> >
> > wrong fuckhead fascism is based on corporate rule. Fascism is a
> > capitalistic society.
>
> Corporate =/= capitalistic, moron.
>
> There have been corporations all over Russia THROUGHOUT the overt
> communist years (and right through to the current "communism with
> a happy-face mask").
>
> Secondly...
>
>
> Sliverdick, why do you prefer government bureacrate rule vs. corporate rule?
>
> At least corporations have to PROVIDE SOMETHING WORTH HAVING to keep
> their power. Where as government bureacrats need to merely serve
> the politicians, without doing a damn bit of good for you and me.
>
> Hope that helps?
>
> Thirdly: you STILL have not addressed the fact that:
>
> Fascism = control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> Communism = control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
Oh Capitalist have murdered their onw population as well.
>
>
>
> >
> > >true Free Market...thus, Capitalism and Fascism are mutually exclusive.
> >
> > nope they go hand in hand with each other liar.
> >
> > >
> > >Hope that helps, uneducated fool.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Japan and several other Asian/Pacific countries also adopted variants of
> > >> Fascism. In Japan the primary Bunds today are Merchant, Farmer,
> > >> Industry, the Military haveing fallen in disgrace after WWII.
> > >
> > >Scott Erb (Professional blackboard washer), are you listening????
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > wow! no similarity there!
> > >> > > >
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 17 Apr 2001 13:34:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:43:38 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
>
>>If I show evidence to your satisfaction, the least I expect is
>>an apology. Otherwise, why should I bother? Just to make happy someone who
>>insults me?
>
>Sheesh. You sound just like kooklis.
Well, I write with more flair and don't claim much about myself ;-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:37:32 GMT
"Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > What the fuck would Democrats do if blacks were educated and could
> > > > provide for themselves?
The welfare state has been maintained for blacks and the poor, by that
party, as a weapon - Oppress them, promise them better schools and job
opportunities, then blame their current maliase on the opposition every four
years. Its' the Democratic Party Election Recipe. The "leaders" of the black
community are a party to it too. Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the like
have made fortunes from it. Of the well educated blacks I know (There are
many), they find it disgusting. However, they aren't an effective voice in
their own communities because they are labeled as sell-outs to the white
establishment or "Uncle Tom's".
> > >
> > > Well FDR helped black people in the depression ers south purchase
cotton
> > > mills with low interest loans,so they could run a business and
> > > provide for themselves;of course he was called a Communist by
Republicans
> > > of his time.
> >
> > If you think that *THAT* is the basis for FDR being called a communist,
> > then you really have your head up your ass.
>
> FDR was no more a Communist than Richard Nixon was opening relations with
> Red China.The Red Chinese did more killing than the Soviets did and still
> excute political prisoners and have been noted as selling their body parts
> at a high price.
The Communist label slapped on FDR had more to do with massive government
expansion and pervasiveness as well as his three term presidency. Most of
the government controls and programs instituted were supposed to be
temporary, to get the country back on its' feet after the depression. They
did their job splendedly and for that, he's to be commended. Unfortunately
once goverment is given control of something, its' a damned safe bet you'll
never get it back again. Most of those programs have been money pits and pow
er bases ever since.
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