Linux-Advocacy Digest #662, Volume #30 Tue, 5 Dec 00 10:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What does KDE do after all ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft Light Bulb Part 2 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful (Francois Labreque)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Tim Smith)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Tim Smith)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:17:37 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> > Tim Smith wrote:
>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>> I wrote:
>
> >>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>> Only to those with previous experience with power switches.
> >>>
> >>> Put a computer in front of a person from a remote village which
> >>> has no electrical service, and let's see how "intuitive" the
> >>> power switch is.
>
> >> OK, now you are getting silly. Give those villagers electricity, and
> >> all the usual electrical applicances other than computers, and let them
> >> become comfortable with them, THEN give them a computer. The power switch
> >> on the computer will be intuitive to them.
>
> > This demonstrates the point, actually. It's "intuative" only
> > because it's similar to what was already learned.
>
> Why do you say "only"? It's quite sufficient to justify use of the
> term "intuitive".
>
> > At some point, it *did* have to be learned because it was not
> > intuative *yet*.
>
> The whole point of designing something that is intuitive is to
> avoid the need to "come up the learning curve". That is, you
> intentionally try to use something familiar, something that has
> already been learned, so that you don't have to learn something
> new. One of the impediments to the adoption of new things is
> the "can't teach an old dog new tricks" syndrome.
>
> > If you show someone how to use vi who *hasn't* used a different
> > sort of editor yet, it's not as difficult to teach it to them.
>
> The fact that it needs to be learned is what makes something not
> intuitive.
>
> > The difficulty comes from assuming incorrectly that it should
> > behave exactly the same as some other company's editor.
>
> However, if you've used several screen editors and they all behave
> in such a way that the pressing of a letter key either overwrites
> or inserts that letter into the text, then vi's "every letter is a
> command" approach will not be intuitive.
>
> > Vi is *different*, which makes it harder to learn,
>
> It also makes it not intuitive.
>
> > but this difference is also the source of its incredible speed at
> > the hands of an experienced user (fingers don't lose the home-row
> > keys - everything complex can be done without moving your right
> > hand over to the 'special' keys, and this makes a gigantic
> > difference in typing speed.)
>
> Power is not the issue here. You'd get greater adoption of the
> editor if there wasn't a steep learning curve. If the only way
> you can get power is to force a steep learning curve, then the
> authors should be prepared to accept slow adoption.
>
> > There's that, and the powerful commands that only take a
> > few keystrokes, like ">%" to indent a squiggly-brace section, or
> > "d$" to delete to end-of-line, and so on. They are not
> > instinctive to the new user,
>
> As someone else pointed out, there is a difference betweeen
> instinct and intuition. The discussion is about the latter.
>
> > but they *are* internally consistent, so picking up new commands
> > is intuative to someone who has the basics.
>
> Not necessarily. Having learned that every letter key is a command
> won't necessarily help you identify which letter is used for which
> command.
>
> > (d-something means delete it, and '$' means end-of line,
>
> It also means end of file. Try :$ and see where it takes you.
>
> > therefore 'd$' means delete to end-of-line
>
> Why shouldn't someone think that it could mean delete to the end of
> the file?
>
> > - it's internally consisent,
>
> End of line and end of file are not that consistent. At least they
> both mean "end".
>
> > and thus very fast to build upon your knowlege once you
> > get over the hump of initial contact with it.)
>
> If you find that some new command is intuitive after having learned
> several other commands, then there is something about computers that
> is intuitive, contrary to Aaron's claim.
You don't have to specifically learn "d$" to synthesize if
from previous knowledge.
Conversely, the use of an on/off switch canNOT be intuitive,
as the use of such cannot be synthesized from previous knowledge.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:19:28 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >> Why are you citing evidence that destroys your argument, Aaron?
> >> Familiarity (or experience, to use my word for it) does not have
> >> to be universal before something can be declared "intuitive".
> >> Here's a good rule of thumb: if you need to consult the manual,
> >> it's not intuitive.
>
> > Everyone has to "consult the manual" (or a friend, or the on-line
> > help) at some point early in their learning process.
>
> I know some first-time computer users that did not need to consult
> the manual or a friend to know what to do with the power cord, for
> example.
>
> > Intuative means similar to what you already know, which means that
> > once you've learned A, its easier to learn B and C if they are
> > intuatively similar to A.
>
> So if your computer's power switch is similar to the power switch on
> your television or radio, then it could be intuitive, contrary to
> Aaron's claim.
>
> > But if you start with someone who doesn't already know A, B, and
> > C, then they aren't intuative YET.
>
> Aaron's claim doesn't include the "yet" part. That's where the
> problem with his argument lies.
>
> > Vi is only unintuative for people who already are used to using
> > some other editor that works differently.
>
> My point is that vi seems to be unique in its default "every letter
> is a command" design approach. That uniqueness is what makes vi
> not intuitive. I did ask whether there are any other screen editors
> that use that design approach, besides vi clones, of course (such as
> elVIs or steVIe), but so far nobody has mentioned any, so I have no
> reason to change my statement about vi's uniqueness in that regard.
>
> > To someone who doesn't know *any* editors, and has had no contact
> > with them, it's no more or less intuative than anything else.
>
> That's equivalent to Aaron's "primitive tribesman" argument. Just
> because it may not be intuitive to one person does not mean it can't
> be intuitive to someone else.
>
> > Vi's only crime here is being unique.
>
> Uniqueness breeds non-intuitiveness. I haven't said whether that is
> good or bad.
Wrong. Within the context of vi, learning new commands is more
intuitive than discovering rather arbitrary placement of "print" in the
"file" menu of most applications.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:20:22 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >> Invective five times does not make a logical argument, Aaron.
>
> > How ironic.
>
> Where is the alleged irony, Marty?
>
> > DT] Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Marty?
> > DT] Reading comprehension problem noted again.
> > DT] Reading comprehension problem noted again.
> > DT] Reading comprehension problem noted again.
> > DT] Still suffering from memory problems, Marty?
>
> Where did any of those appear in my responses to Aaron, Marty?
>
> > MA] I'll give you a limit of 5 before the discussion ends.
>
> Any particular reason you chose to reproduce that quotation, Marty?
> Do you intend to apply that to this discussion? Of course, if you do,
> I know better than to believe it.
>
> I'll also note that you chose not to say anything about the issue,
> which is whether anything about a computer can be intuitive. No
> surprise there. You'd rather play more of your "infantile game".
Tholen...do you smell all that shit?...it's the inside of your rectum.
I suggest removing your head from that place.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does KDE do after all
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:24:53 -0500
SwifT - wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Donal K. Fellows wrote:
>
> > And furthermore, for much real programming, the simple IPC model
> > offered by pipes is better than the more sophisticated ones that are
> > made available through the likes of sockets and CORBA. There is a
> > *lot* more that can go wrong with bi-directional communication, and
> > it is much harder to optimize...
>
> Better in the way of faster is not better in the way of evolution. The
> sophisticated ways (which sais it all: sophisticated) are more
> future-proof and expendable. Pipes have serious limitations.
You must be joking.
Sockets are merely an inter-machine generalization of pipes, and
nobody has called them limited.
Maybe your problem is that you don't have enough communications
and information processing theory to properly organize whatever it
is that you want to send down a pipe.
if you define your syntax properly, then within the context of a
single machine, you can do ANYTHING with pipes.
>
> --
> SwifT
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:17:09 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> >
> > How about setting your monitor refresh rate?
>
>
> Not even an option under MS LoseDOS, so why are you bringing this up?
As usual, you are very wrong.
Not only it's an option, but windows will detect the safe refresh rates for
your resultion and recommend to you that you would only use those.
------------------------------
From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:19:11 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > Bah!
> > Even assuming that they split MS, it wouldn't change a single thing.
> > Windows will still be the most widely used OS around.
> > Windows will still have most application developed to it.
> > Nothing much will change, except that Office & IE will be done by a
sperate
> > company.
>
> And the Office/IE company won't have access to undocumented APIs.
Ha! You are extremely naive if you think this way.
As for undocumented API calls, large part of the reason that they are
undocumented is that they differ between 9x & NT.
> Say, does anyone hate those shitty fading menus and their crappy
> "continuation arrow" (or whatever they call it)? Drives me nuts
> to see just a few options, and have to move down and click to
> see the rest. Furthermore, some of the options are embossed inward,
> for no reason that I can see. Pretty ugly enhancement to the
> Windozzzzzzzzz interface, if you ask me.
Then why don't you turn those off?
> (And yes, I know, you didn't ask me <grin>).
>
> Chris
>
> --
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Light Bulb Part 2
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:26:49 -0500
MH wrote:
>
> You guys *really* have too much time on your hands.
> <yawn>
>
> "kiwiunixman" babbled as a brook.........
>
> > The competitors (Linux) to the Windows Light Bulb are able to reverse
> > engineer and create a light bulb that is compatible to the Microsoft
> switch
> > board, the Linux solution is called called Line, Lightbuld is not an
> > emulator, however, the next month Microsoft releases a patch that makes
> the
> > competitive light bulbs uncompatible with the "upgraded" switch board.
> The
> > competitor (Linux) starts to get pissed off this all this changing, so Sun
> > Light Bulbs (the one who creates the real big, powerful light bulbs)
> release
> > the source code to the UFS (Unix Frequency System), more companys adopt
> this
> > standard, Such as Apple (who makes the lovely candy coloured Lightbulbs),
> > Cobalt Networks (who makes the compact, yet powerful light bulbs) and
> Compaq
> > (that makes lightbulbs of all sizes, shapes and colours), as a result,
> > Microsoft is forced to comply with the open standard set down by Linux,
> > Apple, Cobalt Networks, Compaq and Sun.
> >
> > kiwiunixman
>
> Meanwhile, MS hackers in Redmond, snickering at your latest diatribe, are in
> route to a nice restaurant with their pockets fully lined to have dinner
> with a *REAL LIVE* woman with whom said MS hacker will more than
> likely......but hey, you've got your light bulb analogies. The socket maybe?
you are truly delusional.
MS programmers are bottom of the barrel, because MS pays their programmers shit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Francois Labreque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:28:20 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> >
> > How about setting your monitor refresh rate?
>
> Not even an option under MS LoseDOS, so why are you bringing this up?
Depends on your video drivers and monitor drivers. Bash Windows all you
want, but keep it to the things you are sure of.
--
Francois Labreque | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it
flabreque | is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
@ | the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a
videotron.ca | warning, it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in
| motion.
- Stolen from Badger's .sig file
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:36:38 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > You've been listening to Rush, ain't ya?
> >
> > I get most of it the same place HE does...The AP NewsWire. Anything of
his I
> > can't verify through a reliable source gets ignored.
>
> I *knew* you were listening to Rush. It's like saying, "Sure, I look at
> pornography, but I only like it when it's art."
I listen to him until he gets on my nerves. In other words, about 5 minutes.
He's a bit too pompous for my tastes. I hold pornography in the same kind of
contempt I hold re-runs. The same thing over and over again. Show me a babe
with nineteen legs and six breasts and you get my attention. Otherwise, same
old same old. <g>
>
> > > > Or the 30,000+ illegal alien Mexicans who voted in California?
> > >
> > > Whom did they vote for? Says who?
> >
> > You know damned well who they voted for - The party that very recently
> > campained to get their illegal status overturned. They weren't
interested in
> > creating new citizens either...They were manufacturing constituents.
>
> So easy to say...
I've seen it. Its' right out of the Democratic handbook. Minorities on
subsitance programs are a gravy train of votes. Especially when they are
told that the subsidies will stop if their Democratic representatives are
voted out of office. The thing making the rounds about handing out
cigarrettes for votes? Seen it in action.
>
> > The
> > Democrats in Oklahoma did similar ass-kissing in even small county
elections
> > in 1992. (I was there and an active campaigner for a Democratic sheriff
and
> > also helped with a Ft. Smith, Arkansas benefit for then Gov.Clinton's
> > presidential race. I completely abandoned the party in 1993 after the
> > experience.)
>
> I don't doubt your experience, but it is one person's anecdote about
> political shanigans in one town. And a sheriff's office, at that.
Those types of political manuverings are more common than you think.
Honestly, go and volunteer to help a campaign or two. See for yourself.
>
> > The Hindu and Moslem faiths are VASTLY different and contradict one
another.
> > You can measure the bad blood there in millenia. It won't change either.
>
> The Hindu and Christian faiths are even more different, but you don't
> see that kind of rage and killing. The rage uses the religious
differences
> as an excuse, I think. Sometimes close neighbors fight the most. They
> magnify trivial differences to fuel rage (just like in these newsgroups).
> Same for the trivial Republican/Democratic distinction.
The Hindu and Christian faiths share quite a lot where the value of life is
concerned. I know several and they're remarkably gentle people. That's why
you don't see a lot of contention.
As far as newsgroups go, they're a good example of the clan mentality. "Our
OS is better than your OS !" Actually, its' kind of fun. Not like were
lobbing molotav cocktails at one another, y'know. <g>
>
> > Republicans and Democrats CAN heal. Republicans have either tossed or
lost a
> > number of their wackos already (Jesse Helms (Bigotted White Trash), Newt
> > Gingrich (Asshole), Moral Majority (Contradiction Extremis), Pat
Buchannon
> > (We rented out your room, so don't even think about coming back), and
other
> > ultra right wingers) Its' the Democrats' turn, now, to get rid of THEIR
> > wackos. (The list is LARGE). It could be done. Centrist ideologies on
both
> > sides agree on many basic things. There'll always be a bit of tension
when
> > the over-all ROLE of Government is debated. They survived it in the
past.
> > They can survive it now. I think the emergence of viable third party
> > candidates will bitch slap both sides into action.
>
> I do agree that all sides have wackos.
And to work together, both parties need an enema to get rid of them. As I
said, we really need a viable third party to get the ball rolling.
>
> Chris
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:36:43 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > I'd stop listening to AM radio if I were you. Start reading
newspapers.
> > > Find some good history books. Start looking into the shenanigans of
> > > your own party.
> >
> > We don't need AM radio to spin what's happening. Anyone with a brain can
> > discern it even by watching liberal-biased network news and that paragon
of
> > American intellect, USA-TODAY (Content? Nahhh...Give the rabble pretty
> > pictures)
>
> I take it you don't consider yourself part of the rabble.
I'm a member of the rat race the same as you or anyone else. I just prefer
content to flash. USA-TODAY, back when it started, was a national joke
because of the kindergarten level english and "purty" pictures. It just has
this Dick and Jane quality to it that I find annoying.
>
> > The trouble makers in the Republican party generally get taken to the
> > woodshed and spanked until their carreers are over. Newt Gingrich was
forced
> > to leave for shear hypocracy. Blasting Clinton for infidelity and
boffing a
> > young assistant all the while didn't set well with anyone. Clinton lied
> > under oath and got a pep rally. (I couldn't care less about the blow job
> > that prompted it. The only problem I had with it was his obvious lack of
> > taste. Hell, if I were President and needed my pipes blown so badly i'd
risk
> > jeopardizing the Presidency and my legacy...I'd at least find a PRIME
piece
> > of ass to do it with!)
>
> "Oh, Monica that was great. Hillary never did that. Well, yeah she did,
> but, hell, she bit the damn thing!"
:-)
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 5 Dec 2000 06:31:04 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 5 Dec 2000 00:15:45 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Vi is only unintuative for people who already are used to using
>some other editor that works differently. To someone who doesn't
>know *any* editors, and has had no contact with them, it's no more
>or less intuative than anything else. Vi's only crime here is
>being unique.
Cursor movement in vi really isn't unique. HJKL for cursor movement was
popular in CRT games. (For those wondering why the heck they didn't use
the arrow keys...arrow keys were not a standard feature of keyboards
back then!). The other popular scheme for cursor movement in games was
AWDS or AWDX.
--Tim Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 5 Dec 2000 06:24:42 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:44:07 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Put a computer in front of a person from a remote village which
>> >has no electrical service, and let's see how "intuitive" the
>> >power switch is.
>>
>> OK, now you are getting silly. Give those villagers electricity, and
>> all the usual electrical applicances other than computers, and let them
>> become comfortable with them, THEN give them a computer. The power switch
>> on the computer will be intuitive to them.
>>
>> You are confusing "intuitive" with "instinctive".
>
>
>http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html
>
>Jeff Raskin, "Intuitive Equals Familiar", Communications of the ACM,
>vol 37, no 9, Sept, 1994, pg 17.
I'm confused. I'm not sure if we are agreeing or disagreeing. I'd say
the power switch on the computer is intuitive, because anyone who is
likely to be using a computer is very likely to have experience with
power switches on other things. "Intuitive" is not an absolute, but
must be interpreted relative to the general background of the user.
That seems to agree with Raskin's article (although I only skimmed it).
(Of course I mean desktop computers...laptop designers seem to enjoy
trying to hide the power on mechanism).
--Tim Smith
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