Linux-Advocacy Digest #269, Volume #30 Thu, 16 Nov 00 14:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: Most important computer program in the history of humanity (Andres Soolo)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? ("Peter Foelsche")
RE: More Linux good news! (Cihl)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Rasputin)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("JS/PL")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("JS/PL")
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:38:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:14:34 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
> >the false name is to stop trolls like you from spaming me.
>
> More baseless slander
More????
.
>
> (1) Your claim that I am a "troll" is a baseless lie.
???? Try reading the definition of a news group troll. In my opinion you
fit the description of a troll.
> (2) Your claim that I "spam" people is also a baseless lie.
Nope I claimed people like you!
> (3) You could use a real name without a real email address (or with a
> spam protected address). So your premise is also a lie.
>
Sorry, I used a spam protedted address. You should read what I said more
closely. Some troll on the news group sent out a bunch of spam with my
email address as the RETURN TO address. This WAS a spam protected addres
and the spam was NOT DIRECTED AT ME. The person who set it up DID remove
the "No-Spam" in the address. Since the replies (many very hostle were
not spam....
If you are talking about those relay email or some spam protection thing
that people need to include in the email, I refuse to make the people
who send me email jumpthrough hoops so people like you can have my email
address.
> > People ignore
> >the topic and do nothing but insult
>
> Again, a lie. A complaint is not an insult.
Complaints and insults are not mutualy exclusive.
>
> > are so imature
> > that they think they
> >accomlish something by subscribing me to news groups and sending out
> >spam with my email addres as the return address.
>
> Do you have any evidence that anyone's done this ? Do you have any
evidence
> that I'd do this ? Is there anything to stop you from using your real
name
> and a spam protected email address ?
Yep, the person was kicked of his ISP. Seems he did not clean up his
headers. See above. Why should I give you, someone that I would not
trust with my email address, my address. You can address the validity of
my points, in the news group without my address. My eamil address that I
would use would not give any hint to my identiy.
>
> >conversation insuling me
>
> A complaint is not an insult.
Complaint's and insults are not mutualy exclusive. It is your behavior,
the fact that you refuse to debate the validity of my points and that
you do NOTH but put me down that is insulting.
>
> >subject you have continued to do nothing but insult me. In my book
that
>
> A complaint is not an insult
>
Please read above.
> >is the behavior of a jerk.
>
> I'm sorry that your reading comprehension skills are so poor.
> In case you haven't got it yet, my comments wer ecomplaints and
> not insults.
>
My reading comprehension???? You seem to ignore the fack that you
accused me of calling you an anti-linux person when the evidance of such
act that you posted NEVER even mentioned linux! Never mentiond
anti-linux or anything about it! and you are questioning MY reading
comprehension skills?
> >Do you have anything to contibute to the subject or is it more
insults
> >as usual?
>
> BTW, I can't believe you call me a jerk, and then whine about
"insults".
One insult after putting up with all the insults you have hurld. It you
can'd handle insults the quit insulting people.
>
> The "subject" in this case is a dreary pissing contest. So no, I don't
> want to participate.
>
The don't
> Welcome to my killfile.
>
1,000,000,000,000 THANK_YOU's To be killfiled by the likes of you is the
greates complement I can get! Now I hope you are not like the winvocates
you lied and said they kill filed me but never did.
> --
> Donovan
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:49:06 GMT
In article <13IQ5.20840$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> In fact I have used Linux's 'cp -a' to move Win95
> to a larger drive (after the format /s) when it failed at copying
> itself.
My current Win95 partition came out of a cpio archive, no problems. Same
reason, disk jockeying after adding a drive.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:51:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:09:22 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
> >
> A lot of people care what I *do*. You may dismiss my comments on COLA
> as inconesquential. I wouldn't fault you for doing so, but I would
point
> out that
And what you have done is insult me. I could not care less what you have
done with other people your behavior around me has been insulting.
>
> (1) The same could be said for your incoherent ramblings.
The prove me wrong. Prove Webcraft wrong. Prove that Linux boxes are
insecure just because they have been up for a long time! These are the
claims I have made what is so incoherent about that? Yet you steadfastly
refuse to disscuse these topics. Instead you get up on your high hourse
and bash me personaly without discussing the points that I have raised.
Now, Is linux insecure just because it has been up for over a year as
Eric has claimed.?
> (2) Deeds speak louder than words. And all those Linux users who
> keep sending me thank you letters certainly care what I do.
>
And I have thanked you or your efforts, however that does not excuse
your behavior in regards to me.
If you think my ramblings are incoherant perhaps it is because you miss
read what I said. I said "WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK" and your whole
rebutle to this is about what you DO. There is a huge differance between
"think" and "do". If you do not understand the differnce then the
misscomunication is at your end.
Again, thaks for what you do. However, I could care less what you think
or what your opinion is. After all you climed that I was calling you an
anti-linux person when the "evicance" you posted showed NO SUCH
STATMENT> !!!
> --
> Donovan
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:57:00 GMT
If you have a problem with the points I have been trying to make let's
here them! My claim based on netcraft is Linux and Unix are more stable
than W2K. That a Linux box is not insecure JUST because it has been up
for a year (good security practices keep it secure). That the poor
showing of W2K is not based on the instalation of SP1. That the poor
showing of W2K is not based on people testing the hardware every 3
months. That the poor showing of W2K is not based on clustering (Linux
and Unix cluster and are not so degrated). If you care to disscuse these
points the fine. If you want to insult me because you do not like what I
say, please killfile me or do not read my posts.
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.ms.windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Most important computer program in the history of humanity
Date: 16 Nov 2000 17:28:54 GMT
Mike Raeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe Bill Gates read Dianetics and decided that he could do
> the cult biz better than L. Ron Hubbard.
Heh. Could well be.
I'd guess he could not stand Hubbard could outdo him.
> Keep your eyes out for Microsoft's Scientology take-over! :)
Of course, it could well be the other way around too: CoS has
infiltrated Microsoft like they did to FBI 25 years ago ...
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the
average man can see better than he can think.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:51:02 -0600
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The only reason to use C or C++ that I can think of is speed; and
> perhaps that some library you need to use only has C bindings. In
> today's era of 1ghz machines, these points are becomming moot
> quickly. A VB application today runs as fast as it's C++ equivelent
> of a year or two ago.
Actually, there are several reasons to use C++. 1) Advanced re-use
mechanisms. Templates are the basis for a new style of programming called
generic programming. Some very interesting and extremely reuseable tools
are emerging out of them. The STL is but one example. Nothing like it
exists for any other language.
Of course the STL does some of the same things other langauges do by
default, such as provide string handling. However, those languages don't
provide common algorithms that work with all the common types. For
instance, you can't use a string in pascal the same way you'd use a list or
map, much less use them in the same exact algorithm.
> But that's the whole point. Most people don't want/need to know how
> it is translated. You also have this problem to a lesser extent with
> any high-level language (like C++, for instance -- how are templates
> compiled?).
You can look at the commented assembly code if you're interested. Most
compilers will produce an assembly output with comments indicating each
source line and what assembly code is associated with it.
> Java is a great language that tries too hard to be multi-platform; I'd
> even go so far as to say it is C++ done almost correctly.
Except it doesn't ahve Multiple Inheritance.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:53:28 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8v09a9$ugj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Easy. It isn't an emotional dislike. C++ just isn't suitable for the
> > job. C++ is slower than C by an order of magnitude (almost as slow as
> > Java). It is difficult to manage any sizable project in C++. Multiple
> > inheritance and friend functions are just two reasons. C++ is almost
> > impossible to maintain. C++ has all the weakness of C and none of its
> > advantages. I can think of any number of alternatives to both C and
> C++.
> > But C does have the history behind it.
>
> Precisely. Operating Systems, unlike application software,
> need to be quick on its execution. C++ just does not cut it.
> With its on the fly resolution of a member function to execute
> (polymorphism) and other nitty gritties, god knows how long
> long, compared to C, does C++ need to execute a simple function.
Only virtual functions have this, and it's a simple pointer dereference.
It's entirely deterministic.
If C++ is so poor for operating systems, explain why BeOS is written in C++,
and why it performs better than most C based OS's.
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From: "Peter Foelsche" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:02:07 -0800
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >I don't mean exceptions. I mean real errors. ones that lead to
> >segfaults in C/C++ apps, since the stupid app just has no brains to
> >cope with "out-of-bound" situations.
Out-off-bound errors are code errors in contrary to runtime-errors (like
cannot open file).
I appreciate that C++ is not checking for them by default,
as I'm aware of the performance consequences.
assert() is well suited for out-of-bound errors.
> You could install signal handlers.
Great Scott!!! Signal handlers. Why don't you suggest setjmp()/longjmp()?
Use a compiler which is able to map SIGSEGV into C++ exceptions.
For the people which will start hacking on me because of this:
With some experience and quality attitude you would know
that Structured Exception handling is needed to deal
with certain run-time errors in a C++-way
(means in an effective way).
Look up your manual page for mmap() and think up a scenario
to use this function to write into a sparse file together with a
disk-is-full state.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: More Linux good news!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:16:01 GMT
Pedro Iglesias wrote:
> > New stability figures shows that Linux is as stable as the big dog Unix
> > systems Now:
> > http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2651586,00.html
>
> It is not a matter of software or kernel issue, a well configured
> kernel
> was
> as reliable as Solaris one (to say one) for a long time. It is a matter of
> hardware,
> GNU/Linux uses to be run on PC hardware, while Solaris or HP/UX run on
> excellent hardware (even OS-targeted); anyway, a GNU/Linux on a Sun
> hardware not only will be as reliable as Solaris, but it will be notable
> faster.
> Things like exchanging memory or hard disks on the fly may not be availble
> nowadays but ... I prefer GNU/Linux than Solaris anyway.
>
>
>
Just a little side-note:
Sun hardware is *not*, i repeat, *not* excellent hardware. We, at the
office, have had an E10K with some domains configured in it in a special
bunker for some time now.
Is it normal to have a repairman from Sun visit four times in three weeks?
Well, i'd think not! These UltraSparcs break down way too easily for my
taste.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 16 Nov 2000 18:22:45 GMT
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:51:02 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> The only reason to use C or C++ that I can think of is speed; and
>> perhaps that some library you need to use only has C bindings. In
>> today's era of 1ghz machines, these points are becomming moot
>> quickly. A VB application today runs as fast as it's C++ equivelent
>> of a year or two ago.
>
>Actually, there are several reasons to use C++. 1) Advanced re-use
>mechanisms. Templates are the basis for a new style of programming called
>generic programming. Some very interesting and extremely reuseable tools
>are emerging out of them. The STL is but one example. Nothing like it
>exists for any other language.
I believe there are other languages with similar constructs. For example,
Eiffel. However, most popular languages (for example, Java, perl,
python, tcl, VB, C ) don't support this.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 16 Nov 2000 18:28:36 GMT
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:15:30 -0500, mlw wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>> Your points about lacking memory management are well taken, and I agree that
>> there are certainly advantages to using a GC language. However, there are
>> issues including performance, and toolkit availability. THese are the
>> main two reasons why I use it. If performance wasn't an issue, I'd move
>> to python or possibly java at the drop of a hat.
>
>Maybe I'm just old school here, if I don't have a full understanding
>about how the code I write translates to actual machine instructions, I
>find it difficult to work in the environment.
That probably says more about what your goals usually are than anything
else. If you just want to write a cron job, it's not necessary to know
what the CPU is doing. But if you're writing a kernel module, that's a
completely different thing.
>I think the huge complaint these days about "bloatware" is that students
>are not taught how to code.
I disagree with the complaint. Customers want more and more features without
corresponding increases in price, which means that development time must
remain approximately constant. The only way this can happen is if developers
use high level tools.
> A lot of the kids comming out of collage
>hardly know C/C++ at all, and focus on something like Java.
I think it's a mistake to "focus" on any single language as opposed to just
programming. IMO, manual memory management is something everyone should
learn to deal with though.
> Most have
>never seen assembly code.
In a CS course ? Ouch.
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elflord at panix dot com
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:22:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:08:27 -0500, Gary Hallock
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Because your an idiot.
Not an idiot. An idiot is incapable of learning. Perhapse she's
ignorant, that is, she has been told where to get help and how to get
it, but has chosen to ignore this information.
More likely she is just ininformed. Many people who obtain Linux,
especially through unsupported channels (FTP images, CheapBytes CDs,
or the CD stuck to the back of a book), are not aware that by
purchasing the supported shrink wrap package, they will have access to
user support for installation. The better the support, the more
expensive the package (in theory).
Of course, the commercially supported packages are also more robustly
tested and most of the "gotchas" that may exist in the original CD
images are cleared up before final shipment. In same cases, the
"gotchas" are so well known that when you call they can talk you through
the problem in 3-5 minutes (level 1 support).
> > > My modem works fine.
Generally it's best to chose a modem known to work with Linux. Most
"real" modems such as ISA modems work with Linux. Many PCI modems,
also work if the DSP chip is built in and the UART interface is
available in hardware.
> > > Even my winmodem works fine.
The Lucent winmodems are supported. The MWave modems currently
are not supported by publicly available drivers. This will probably
change soon (see http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/
for details as they arise).
> > > I recently picked up an Epson 880 printer for $150.
Again, there are some printers that are winprinters that only support
Microsoft's proprietary metafile format. While this format is similar
to Postscript or PCL in function, there are nondisclosure agreements
which specifically restrict availability to Open Sourc systems.
> > It works
So to dozens of other good printers. If you want to use a printer with
Linux, you should make sure the manufacturer supports linux. In some
cases, the maker will even include a driver. Many NIC cards, USB
peripherals, and some PPA devices are coming with either drivers on
disk, or drivers on the web. I even discovered that my EXP CD-RW
external drive was supported with a minimal amount of digging
(e-mail queries).
> > Ah yes the classic Linonut response
> > "because it works for me everyone
> > else must be an idiot".
My apologies for the abusive behavior of some members of the Linux
community. Many have been harassed by coworkers, managers, and
even vendors. Some have even been punished for supporting Linux.
Time has begun to vindicate them. Linux is already becoming very
popular as a server engine, providing a laptop to mainframe solution
that can also be ported to commercial versions of UNIX. As a result,
there has been more support for putting Linux on laptop and desktop
machines, since this make prototyping and unit testing very simple.
> > Do your fellow Linonuts and future Linonuts a favor and take a walk
> > over to some of the setup groups and let the folks asking these same
> > questions over and over again know how well Linux works for "you"
> > and
> > how the problem must be with them. "All of them".
Unfortunately, there are many people who are doing this. Especially
on the advocacy group. There are other newsgroups where members are
more supportive. Most of the "install parties" are supported with
very encouraging and understanding Linux users/installers. The help
desk phone lines at Linux-care, Caldera, and Red Hat are also very
supportive and friendly.
> > I'm sure in all of their frustration trying
> > to get Linux to work, they
> > will be happy to hear how well it works for "you".
As you are trying to point out, what really matters is whether or
not Linux is working for YOU. The ideal situation would be to be
able to purchase a system-specific installation disk set configured
by the OEM with IHV drivers properly defined and configured an the
hard drive. Unfortunately, many of these OEMs and IHVs are bound
by nondisclosure agreements which may not expire for some time.
This is one of the reasons the DOJ went to court. It's also likely
to be a sticking point in future cases.
> > claire
>
> Ah, yes, the classic Winonut repsonse.
> "because YOU can't get it to work Linux is crap".
Unfortunately, this is the only experience they have to draw from.
If they had the chance to spend several hours tinkering with a properly
configured, fully functional copy of Linux, they would probably fall in
love within a few hours or days.
When a Windows user, who has never installed or used Linux before
suddenly discovers that they have made mistakes that have reformatted
their windows partition, or rendered their systems unbootable, that
is the only experience they have of Linux.
I'd much rather see a satisfied Linux user than just see another
License. The good news is that most of them start complaining just
long enough to get the help of a supportive user who helps them get
up and running and they usually are quite happy with the results,
especially if they get a working Dual-boot system or their favorite
3rd party applications work under WINE.
Calling the winvocate an idiot doesn't help anything. Showing him
how to solve is problems may not change HIS mind, but will often
have a positive impact on the 25,000 lurkers who read without
posting.
> Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rasputin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:32:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <Donn Miller> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harri Haataja) writes:
>
>> Didn't you hear about Sun and other UNIX vendors jumping for GNOME as
>> the unified UNIX desktop?
>>
>> M$ wants to hit that, I think.
>
>Funny how MS doesn't want to sue over KDE/Qt. That particular project
>accomplishes the same exact goal as GNOME, but yet I haven't heard of
>companies willing to support KDE like they have GNOME.
>
>How exactly is MS going to stop an open source project like GNOME/Gtk? This
>should be interesting. What I think they'll accomplish is stopping vendors
>like Sun from incorporating GNOME into their desktops.
>
>As before, it's funny how MS should be suing over look 'n' feel. Remember
>the Macintosh and the Amiga?
Still haven't seen a URL posted about this.
I didn't see a URL posted about Microsoft's version
of Linux, which was 'FUD of the month' last autumn..
Not that I wouldnh't put it past them.
Sun are very cautious around M$; when the Swing (Java 1.2 GUI) toolkit
shipped with a Redmond-esque theme, it came with a warning that you
weren't alllowed to use that look-n-feel on any platform other than
Windoze. M$ never disallowed it, Sun were just very paranoid.
Can't say I blame them, that was when M$ were gunning for Java in a big way.
And any software company that is basically a legal team
with a handful of coders tacked on as an afterthough must make any big
company nervous.
Mind you , M$ lost *that* war, too :)
--
Rasputin.
Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:44:21 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The mailer should either provide a safe viewer or warn you that
> there is no safe viewer (and it should *not* warn for normal
> attachments where a safe action is possible). That way if you
> get something unsafe and unexpected you will know not to execute
> it.
How about just having the mail application block the following file types
altogether so that they don't get accidentally run. And if it's so important
to distribute the file the sender will no doubt post it to their own company
server and allow it to be taken from there via ftp with a simple hypertext
link inside the email.
.ade Microsoft Access project extension
.adp Microsoft Access project
.bas Microsoft Visual Basic class module
.bat Batch file
.chm Compiled HTML Help file
.cmd Microsoft Windows NT Command Script
.com Microsoft MS-DOS program
.cpl Control Panel extension
.crt Security certificate
.exe Program
.hlp Help file
.hta HTML program
.inf Setup Information
.ins Internet Naming Service
.isp Internet Communication settings
.js JScript file
.jse Jscript Encoded Script file
.lnk Shortcut
.mda Microsoft Access add-in program
.mdb Microsoft Access program
.mde Microsoft Access MDE database
.mdz Microsoft Access wizard program
.msc Microsoft Common Console Document
.msi Microsoft Windows Installer package
.msp Windows Installer patch
.mst Visual Test source files
.pcd Photo CD image or Microsoft Visual Test compiled script
.pif Shortcut to MS-DOS program
.reg Registration entries
.scr Screen saver
.sct Windows Script Component
.shs Shell Scrap Object
.url Internet shortcut
.vb VBScript file
.vbe VBScript Encoded Script file
.vbs VBScript file
.wsc Windows Script Component
.wsf Windows Script file
.wsh Windows Script Host Settings file
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:50:51 -0500
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uvb49$6kj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Tim Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Rather funny, in all the time I've been using Outlook, I've never been
> > >burned by a virus.
> >
> > Then either you've configured it to be more secure than the default, or
> > no one has mailed you one. The KAK virus only required that you view
> > the message (and even having the message show up in the preview pane was
> > enough) to get infected.
> >
> > Haven't you ever wondered why Outlook gets hit by more viruses than
> > other Windows email programs? It is because, until recently at least,
> > by default, it would execute code in email WITHOUT asking for any
> > confirmation.
>
> Because it is, by far, the most popular one?
Agreed.
That's like saying Billy-Bob's Trade Center is more secure than the World
Trade Center because it's never been hit by a bomb.
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