Linux-Advocacy Digest #269, Volume #26 Wed, 26 Apr 00 14:13:43 EDT
Contents:
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security. (Truckasaurus)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Linux Sucks and Windows 2000 RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (linonut)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linus Torvalds (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Factory pre-installed Linux. (Pim van Riezen)
Re: which OS is best? (Ray)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:29:46 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> On 04/26/2000 at 02:06 AM,
> Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > IBM stock dropped over 20 points at the announcement that 4Q99 profits
> > were disappointing due to Y2K issues. The market is very volatile and
> > dependent on news. MS stock is not at all unique in this way.
> > Everybody attempts to be at the leading edge of the "curve" when a stock
> > price movement is occurring to maximize profits. That's the way the
> > market works.
>
> Bullshit. MS is selling 45% below its high in the last 6 months. It was at
> 119 and change in December or January. It closed around 67 today or up
> less than 2% in a market up nearly 8%.
Glad to hear it.
Maybe it will drop another 95%, and I'll go to sleep happy.
Anybody who has supported M$'s business practices over the last 10 years
DESERVES to go into financial ruin.
>
> IBM on the other hand closed up nearly 4% today after being up 3%
> yesterday when MS lost 16 points.
>
> What is hurting MS right now is the number of margin calls and people's
> positions being liquidated because they can't cover them. In my opinion
> they are getting exactly what they deserve for supporting a corrupt
> organization.
Damn Straight.
>
> Greed is its own reward.
Gotta disagree... Greed is acceptable, even beneficial in a capitalist,
free-market economy. It's what drives people to come up with all kinds
of innovations, and work 16x6 for years on end...the hope for a reward
at the end.
Bill Gates and Co's problem isn't greed.
Their problem is MEGALOMANIA.
>
> --
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 13
> MR/2 Ice 2.19 Registration Number 67
> As the court closes in on M$, Lemmings are morphing to Ostrats!
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security.
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:16:01 GMT
In article <8dn4hr$e1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8dn2rt$adr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <8dh73f$v45$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Making source code available to costumers"
> >
> > But what do they do with it? Print it out (on a screen printer) and
> > turn it into clothing? :^)
> >
> > (Sure, I'm making fun of a spelling mistake. But it was such a fun
> > one to make that I couldn't help myself...)
:-D
> However, it is a rather poignant faux-paus. Linux is similar to the
> emporer's clothing =)
>
> You can see everything, but it still leaves you out in the cold =)
In "The emperors new clothes" the weavers took the gold and ran,
leaving the emperor butt-naked.
Looking at MS surpluses, and what MS cUstOmers get, I'd say someone
_still_ hasn't noticed that he's butt-naked...
--
"It's the best $50 bucks I ever spent. I would have paid five
times that for what your 'New You' packet allowed me to do!!!"
-- K. Waterbury, CA
Martin A. Boegelund.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:33:50 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marty wrote:
>
> Bob Germer wrote:
> >
> > On 04/26/2000 at 02:06 AM,
> > Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > IBM stock dropped over 20 points at the announcement that 4Q99 profits
> > > were disappointing due to Y2K issues. The market is very volatile and
> > > dependent on news. MS stock is not at all unique in this way.
> > > Everybody attempts to be at the leading edge of the "curve" when a stock
> > > price movement is occurring to maximize profits. That's the way the
> > > market works.
> >
> > Bullshit. MS is selling 45% below its high in the last 6 months. It was at
> > 119 and change in December or January. It closed around 67 today or up
> > less than 2% in a market up nearly 8%.
> >
> > IBM on the other hand closed up nearly 4% today after being up 3%
> > yesterday when MS lost 16 points.
>
> How does that counter anything I've said above?
>
> > What is hurting MS right now is the number of margin calls and people's
> > positions being liquidated because they can't cover them. In my opinion
> > they are getting exactly what they deserve for supporting a corrupt
> > organization.
> >
> > Greed is its own reward.
>
> Each new article of bad news that comes out is triggering another drop in MS
> stock prices, which is my point. News items are the main cause of
> volatility. It's not "lemmingism" which leads to the stock price volatility,
> but the desire to be ahead of the curve, no matter which direction it is
> moving.
I'm gonna BUY M$ right after the order is handed down to break them up.
(O/S sales will decrease, but Games and Applications should INCREASE
as they all start getting ported to Unix and Linux and BeOS)...
Then, after the split, I'll sell of the O/S division shares and
shuffle them into the office apps.
M$ can write decent apps...
but they never should have gotten into O/S's.
In much the same way as IBM builds WONDERFUL hardware, but shouldn't
be allowed to program it. Ever use an IBM mainframe? The software
hasn't progressed in the slightest in over 20 years. Fucking pitiful.
Most of it is still card-reader oriented, like it's the freaking 1960's.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:38:07 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
George Graves wrote:
>
> In article <8e378b$5jv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, steve jobsniak
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
> >the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
> >*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
> >crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
> >of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
> >now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy
>
> Huh? How can our attitudes keep the economy from going into free fall?
> Are we suposed to generate Cosmic Energy from our collective Karmas or
> something? M$ has stifled competition in the computer industry for
> years. They've foisted their substandard, resource-hungry OS on the
> world in such a way that better ideas such as NeXT and Be don't really
> have a chance in the marketplace. They have all but driven all web
> browser competition off the planet (so, ok, maybe IE is very good, but
> its not its quality that has given it the dominate position, and it
> SHOULD BE that and that alone which denotes "the winner"). They are
> getting their come-uppance, and its high-time. Monopolies breed
> mediocrity.
Yup. It's AMAZING how cable TV companies suddenly learn about
customer service as soon as a competing company is allowed to do
business in town.
They came around last month, asking if I wanted to renew. I told
them that if they couldn't provide me decent customer service when
they were the only game in town, that they can take a flying leap
now that there's a choice.
(Actually, I don't have cable TV at all...but it just felt good
to make my opinion known. I told the guy...it's nothing personal,
I just have absolutely NO respect for whoever is in charge of the
local operation, and that subscribing again would contribute to
the glory of either him, or some other asshole in the management
structure of that corporation, and I will have no part in it.)
> Windows is the embodiment of that axiom. Its time to give
> somebody else a shot at making a decent OS for the world. It can only be
> a win-win scenario for everybody - except maybe Microsoft. The stock
> market? In spite of your croakings of doom, the market will get over
> this and it will be business as usual.
> --
> George Graves
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:38:32 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:34:19 GMT, steve jobsniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
> >the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
> >*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
> >crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
> >of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
> >now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
>
> If the market is so fragile that one company's misfortunes can
> bring it all down, it's time for that company to die anyway.
> Think of the result as a temporary fever while the body attacks
> the virus :-)
M$ = the VIRUS
Good analogy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: linonut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Sucks and Windows 2000 RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:48:53 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Long live Microsoft!!!!!!
After using this piece of garbage called Linux I will say a prayer for
Microsoft and Bill every night because if we were forced to use Linux,
nobody except gearheads would use computers. Thank God for Bill and his
vision of ease of use.
Took me a freaking week to get this piece of junk semi-working. I still
don't have sound on web pages, Netscape keeps freezing on me and the
print on the screen is so small and shitty looking my eyes are hurting.
No wonder nerds wear thick glasses. Everything runs like molasas and the
games and utilities look like entry level progamming circa 1985.
No wonder this crap is free. If I paid for it I would take it back to
the store and shove it up the ass of store manager for allowing such
trash on the shelf.
I still can't get this samba thing going. Shit all I want to do is share
my drives and have my computers talk to each other over the network. Am
I asking too much here?
With Win2k I clik the share box and it works. Bingo. I've been all over
the web researching this samba pos. No wonder they call it samba, you
have to dance for a month to get it going.
Linux sucks the big snake...... It's for tinkerers and wannabe
programmers. A hacked together piece of trash.
GATES HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
Linux will self destruct, it's just a matter of time...
God does this Linux stuff suck.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You should all use Windows
and see what you are missing.
Jethro Bodine
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:49:55 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ciaran wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty) wrote:
> >On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:34:19 GMT, steve jobsniak
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking
> the rest of
> >>the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
> >>*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
> >>crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple
> with it???
> >>of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change
> your mind
> >>now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from
> happening?
> >
> >If the market is so fragile that one company's misfortunes can
> >bring it all down, it's time for that company to die anyway.
> >Think of the result as a temporary fever while the body attacks
> >the virus :-)
>
> I agree. I was watching the TV the other day in wake of the "big
> drop" in tech stocks the other day and some guy(who was
> apparently an expert on IT stocks) was saying that the result of
> this drop was that people were going to be more careful in
> future. He said that investors may have to look into what an
> company is actually doing before investing. What ??? *May* have
> to look into ??? Does this mean that up until now investors have
> been throwing money at random companies in the hope of making
> money ?
Yes... they have been buying stocks just like kids with Pokemon cards...
without the slightest regards to P:E ratios..
It's 1927 all over again.
Yes, you can buy on only 50% margin as opposed to 10% in the 20's,
but everything else is the same.
The dividends correspond to purchasing bonds with less than 3% yield.
Often-times, only 0.5% yield....WITHOUT capital growth (in property
and equipment) or reduction of liablity (outstanding loans, etc),
to make for sizeable increases in equity
>
> Being just a little 'puter programmer, I know as much about the
> stock exchange as the average broker knows about dereferencing
> pointers... but what the hell is going on with this ?
Baby boomers unconsciously realize that Social Security is a crock
of shit...so, they are throwing money like crazy into the stock
market. At the same time, since they see their paper values
rising so fast, they are taking out HUGE loans to purchase all
kinds of expensive cars, home theater systems, and mansions to
house the home theaters, etc.
Of course, it's all financed, dependant almost ENTIRELY upon
the market continuing to grow at 20% / year.
Of course, once the baby-boomers stop working, cash-flow into
the market will drop...growth will taper off, and you will see
a TON of foreclosures on these big old houses owned by baby-boomers.
And ...finally, for once...the entire generation of arrogant
assholes will get what's been coming to them since the 60's...
A GIANT freaking dose of humiliation, and not a single ounce of
self-righteousness will be left in reserve.
</DREAM>
And their children will LAUGH at them
Hey, Mom...remember when you thought it was more important to
kick dad out of the house than to keep a peaceful household
for me and sis...because...you wanted to fuck around with
every asshole at work? In fact, do you remember when you thought
that getting a 3rd vehicle and a 5th TV set was more important
than being at home when we got home from school?
Well...SCREW YOU old lady....go rot in a hole... sis and I
will be watching TV...just like you taught us...TV is more
important that relations between you and us.
Oh...but...Hey...I'll be spending time with MY KIDS.
<dream/>
or something like that.
>
> Cheers,
> Ciaran
>
> * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
> The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 03:51:47 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tandis wrote:
>
> In article <8e378b$5jv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, steve jobsniak
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking
> the rest of
> >the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
> >*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
> >crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with
> it???
> >of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change
> your mind
> >now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from
> happening?
> >
>
> Maybe Microsoft shouldn't have broken the law...
Repeatedly....and arrogantly...
(of course, Billy Boy perjuring himself didn't help, either).
>
> -Tandis
>
> >
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
> >
> >
>
> * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
> The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:36:58 GMT
In article <8e5mcv$udk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe that the operation system create by Linus Torvalds,
> >> Linux, is the downfall of the software industry.
Actually, Linux and UNIX represent the transformation of the
information systems industry that has been going on gradually
over the last 15 years. Although UNIX exsisted 25 years ago,
it was first used commercially in the mid 1980s. This
transformation includes the Internet or World Wide Web as we
know it today.
Prior to Linux, minimum price for a UNIX distribution containing
all the features of the average Linux CD-ROM was over $5000, and
this was in "binary only" format. You can still buy Solaris or
AIX or HP_UX systems with most of the features of Linux for about
$5000 (compared to $500 for Linux on a PC). You get better components,
including faster busses, 64bit processors, separate I & D caches,
multilevel cache, SCSI controllers and peripherals, backup systems,
and ultrafast network cards. You can pay comparable prices for
"high end" Linux systems.
Open Systems and Open Source create a competitive environment.
The transformation caused by Linux is the shift from a monopolistic
market to a highly competitive market. In the early 1980s, UNIX
caused this transformation in the minicomputer market. In the early
1990s UNIX cause this transformation in the mainframe and supercomputer
market. Over the next few years, Linux will cause this transformation
in the Personal Information Appliance market.
In a competitive open market, customers choose from multiple
implementations of the operating system, multiple implementations
of hardware, multiple implementations of software and applications,
and multiple sources of support.
In the PC model, software and operating system software were based
on "percieved value". If you wanted to get $100 for a word processor
or office suite, you had to pay several million in advertising and
superbowl spots to get people to think your product was worth $100.
Microsoft spend the big bucks to get their percieved value so high
that OEMs were paying "discounted" prices of about $200 to $300 for
Windows, Office, and other bundled software. In addition, ISPs would
actually pay Microsoft for placement rights. Finally, Microsoft would
close the loop by having the ISPs and Office suite create documents
and protocols that could only be accessed using Microsoft Windows
and Microsoft applications. The OEMs passed this mark-up along with
a profit of their own - adding as much as $400 to $700 to the total
price of a Personal Computer. Until Microsoft started allowing OEMs
to purchase and distribute WORKS and Windows 98 so that they could
make $500 PCs, no one knew or cared that they were paying almost twice
the price of a comparable computer without this expensive software.
In the Open Source market, consumers have the ability to shop for
many different "packages" based on their needs - ranging from the
$300 "bare bones box" for those "do-it-yourselfers" who need no
vendor support and can build a computer from boards, cards, and
drives in less than an hour - to high end Netfinity servers or
Alpha servers that are designed for high availability and easily
supported.
> >> People who use such a dreaful program should be shot.
Which dreadful program? :-)
> >> How dare they take money from hardworking companies
> >> like Microsoft and driving down my shares.
Microsoft collected a premium equivalent to 30% of the purchase
price of the computer (today the Microsoft "bundle" is the most
expensive component if the computer). They also collected a premium
price from the OEMS. Add to that Microsoft's ability to control
the perpective of the viewer and to monitor "disloyal usage".
Some companies such as WordPerfect, Borland, Lotus, Dbase, Harvard
Graphics, and Corel no longer exist in their independent form. Most
of these companies are now owned by companies that have become very
"Linux Friendly" after being "locked out" by Microsoft for nearly
10 years.
For years, businesses wishing to "walk Microsoft's line", had to
redesign their businesses to use Microsoft's business model (a model
it didn't even use internally until very recently). This meant
that while customers could switch from Paper Forms to Office Documents,
Workflow management and real-time feedback, as well as adherance to
government regulatory contsraints - weren't even provided by the
"Microsoft Solution". The documents were really pretty but very
labor intense.
Businesses following the "UNIX Solution" were effectively doing
World Wide Web, efficient e-mail, and workflow managed by rules
engines. Because workstations could function as both clients
and servers, it was pretty easy to manage workflow directly.
> >> ==================================
> >> Posted via http://nodevice.com
> >> Linux Programmer's Site
> >
> > Crossposted to the proper usenet-group. Let's see the
> > reactions, shall we?
> > (What an asshole!)
> >
> Linus...c'mon now...relax!
> That's enough of the beer now OK?
> Aren't you supposed to be working on
> something important now?
> Mercede's chip off the old block
> or something?
>
>
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 1%/week!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Pim van Riezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Factory pre-installed Linux.
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:40:04 CEST
"Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> tapped some keys and produced:
> > Why? The kernel messages are very useful if something goes kaput. If
> > you're looking at your pretty picture of a penguin (or whatever logo
> > you would have a booting system display), something goes wrong, and it
> > just freezes, you're no better off then you are with Windows.
>
> I agree, I like the fact that RH6.x has the color coded messages on
> bootup that tell you whether a driver or daemon loaded correctly or
> failed to load. You can quickly see if your boot is going normally or if
> you have a problem, because the messages go by way too fast to read (on
> my PII 450 anyway.)
>
> [snip other stuff I agree with]
The point is, that the kernel messaages are only useful when something goes
wrong. They're annoying and potentially confusing when it doesn't. Take a
look at two other systems and their boot sequence:
1.Mac
Every subsystem that is loaded (in the MacOS context an extension) displays
an icon when it is done. If a subsystem has an error, the icon will be
marked with a cross through it. An error may or may not be shown.
2.IRIX
The system starts up in a "pretty" screen, which only tells which subsystems
are being started. If one of the startup scripts dumps an error to stderr,
the pretty screen is replaced by a console window which shows the actual
errors.
Easier to use, easier to diagnose when something actually _goes_ wrong and
sure as hell both less ugly to look at.
A bad example is the Winduh startup, which doesn't show _anything_ useful. I
agree that that is bad.
Cheers,
Pi
--
I need an enemy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:45:25 GMT
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:53:36 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> They don't need to be familiar with anything in order to be
> told what to type. It can be spelled out quite unambiguously
> for them. It can be done so far more efficiently than describing
> icons and relative position.
>
> Expressing: Do X & then do Y is much simpler with a CLI.
Not to mention when something does go wrong you can just have them read you
what's printed on the console. How do you tell over the phone if someone
has just covered up the icon you're trying to get them to click on and how
on earth do you get someone to resize a window without them either closing
it or making it full screen.
--
Ray
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