Linux-Advocacy Digest #269, Volume #34 Sun, 6 May 01 19:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Apple is doing a good thing ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jay Maynard)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Bob Hauck)
Re: The _one_ thing that pisses me off about Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Article: AOL in cahoots with Compaq, HP to derail WinXP, .NET? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux disgusts me (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: IE ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons ("Electric Ninja")
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apple is doing a good thing
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 17:16:05 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9d38qv$hid$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > That's why 98/ME will be dead this
> >> > year, replaced by Windows XP.
> >>
> >> In exactly the same way they were replaced by Windows 2000.
> >
> > They weren't intended to be replaced by Windows 2000.
>
> They were. OK, so MS switched away from this idea as soon (pretty soon)
> as it was evident that Win2K was not good enough, but initially, Win2K
> was meant to be the great unfork in the road.
Yes. Windows 98 was first intended to be the last 9x based product, but as
Win2k grew, they realized they had too much on their plate. They had to cut
a few things, and one of them was the consumer version, which is why Win98SE
came out (which gives you an idea of exactly how long ago this was).
Hell, it was even before the name Windows 2000 existed. It was still called
Windows NT 5 back then.
> > MS will stop selling 9x based OS's after XP is released.
>
> Like they did with Win2K.
They didn't have a consumer version of Win2k. They DO have a consumer
version of XP.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: 6 May 2001 22:28:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 06 May 2001 20:42:48 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>How much is the retail value of a song on Napster? Do you think the greedy
>profiteering uber-capitalist corporate swine would swear that it was
>millions, when everyone else would recognize that it is worthless, by
>the very fact that it is available on Napster?
A court would be bound not by the worth of the song after its being spread
via Napster, but what the worth of the song would be were it not for the
very act which would give rise to the suit (I'm assuming, for this
discussion, that you're casting this question in the context of a suit
against Napster or someone who'd made the song available via Napster). To do
otherwise is to allow a criminal to lessen or evade punishment by destroying
any article he'd stolen.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:36:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> >You have to convert to postscript! Oh boy! Insert File in word, and it
> >> >does it straight away!
> >>
> >> No telling what "it" is, of course; Word does really weird things with
> >> embedded graphics.
> >
> >"it" is Word.
>
> Word does Word straight away? Doh!
You're being deliberately dense. "Word does it straight away".
--
Pete
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:38:10 -0400
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > typo and all huh?.. That looks real authentic. Oh I see, it came from
the
> > fictional book The Microsoft File.
>
> Fictional? Prove it. Better yet, sue th author. If it is so fictional,
> tell us why Microsoft didnt sue.
It's not my job to prove made up events didn't happen. It's the authors job
to prove they DID. Something that is soreley lacking in the gossip fish
stories of the Microsoft File.
Prove aliens didn't come down for a photo op with Clinton? Same thing.
There's a pretty good precedent for huge corporations *not* being
successfull in suing rouge loners with pencils. Just ask the author of
WalMartsucks.com et. al. On top of that, the book has surely caused no harm
to Microsoft.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:39:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> Why not just say "I just do it." Do I really need to explain to you why
> >> your instructions are sort of worthless, and thus your argument is ad
> >> absurdum?
> >
> >So, what's your explanation of how I'm wrong?
>
> First, tell me why I should need to explain it?
To explain what you're talking about.
> BTW, I said your
> instructions were worthless, which makes you mistaken; I never said you
> were wrong. Stupid, maybe, but I don't fault people for ignorance, and
> try to ignore the kind of carefully-stuidied ignorance you're playing
> at.
I fail to see how my instructions are worthless. I described what you do
with Word. You seem to want to fail to understand.
> So first explain to me you could be so stupid that you don't understand
> already where your mistake is, and then I'll explain where your mistake
> is, if I like your answer, OK?
Please explain to me why you could be so stupid not to understand what I
said originally, and not what you appear to think I said.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:40:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, idavey@my-
dejanews.com says...
> I'm surprised he'd type out something important enough to print in Word
> without saving it. Unless you're a glutton for punishment and enjoy retyping
> stuff from memory, pressing "save" before "print" is pretty essential with
> Word.
Good advice, but not always necessary. Word doesn't crash all the time,
any more than Windows does.
--
Pete
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:43:22 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d38m6$r3r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Probably wouldn't be hard to put a coffee maker on, but that may violate
> > some gpl on the howto for getting linux to make coffee.
>
> That is one thing that frighten me about the GPL.
> There is already GPLed data, what happen when other things start to get GPL?
I don't see why you're frightened.
You develop something, you want to make money out of it, you copyright
your work, then sell licenses or whatever, and nobody else is allowed to
make money out of it.
I develop something, I don't want to make money out of it (maybe because
I'm making money selling hardware), but I want to share my work with
other developers in order to make it better and useful for a lot of
people, me included, so I GPL my work, and nobody else is allowed to
make money out of it.
In both case we're speaking of protected IP. Nobody else is allowed to
make money out of it except the rightful owner.
Except that in case of GPL everybody else is entitled to use it and to
make money from its usage (e.g. I can use a GPL Apache to sell IP
service).
So what's wrong with GPL?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:43:47 GMT
On Sun, 6 May 2001 23:05:43 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FILE *fp = fopen("LPT1","wt");
> if (!fp){
> printf("failure opening printer port");
> return 1;
> }
> fprintf(fp,"Here I'm printing text using fprintf() on windows\n");
> fclose(fp);
Won't work if the printer is Postscript and does not auto-detect plain
ASCII.
> Install a PS printer driver, print to file, done deal.
> And *I*, as the developer, don't need to know anything about PS to do it,
> too. It will create a perfectly legal PS file, too.
No, instead you have to know about GDI and printer setup dialogs. The
real advantage (and it is a significant one) is that you can use nearly
the same code for display. Not _exactly_ the same in most cases, as
screens don't have pages or headers or any of that, but mostly.
There exist libraries for Linux that allow similar things.
> Since most (all?) printers can accept fprintf commands, then *of course*
> weare talking about GUI apps.
Not all printers can accept ASCII text. Nearly all, but not all. And
you can print with fprintf() from a GUI app too, BTW. It just won't be
WYSIWYG.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: The _one_ thing that pisses me off about Linux
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:43:49 GMT
On Sun, 6 May 2001 21:55:05 +0000, Richard Thrippleton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First, let's get one thing straight; I'm not a wintroll.
Given that your rant is about a problem that is even worse with Windows,
I'll have to believe you.
> What pisses me off about quite a significant amount of Linux software
> is the ridiculous x86 bias, ridiculous to the point of ignorance of
> the existance of other CPUs.
Why not name names?
> Oh, and let them know that some people have their ints ordered the
> _right_ way round :>
The PowerPC swings both ways. Shall we assume that LinuxPPC is
big-endian?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:45:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >You know that, I know that, but how come the courts don't?
>
> Last you and I heard, they do.
Last I heard, the current court case was in favour of Microsoft.
--
Pete
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:47:34 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Paul Dossett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9d1bcp$2pi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "JVercherIII" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:ADVI6.297$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Civility people! I use both Linux and Windows, and both have their
> > places
> > > > (IMHO). I make a living right now writing VB programs so I'm kind of
> > > living
> > > > off the Microsoft gravy train. That being said, they do some things
> > which
> > > > are very unpleasing. My main complaint with Microsoft is that they
> > stifle
> > > > innovation. They never have come up with an original idea.
> > >
> > > Bullshit, and a big one.
> > >
> > > To name a few of the top of my head:
> > > COM
> > > COM+
> > > MTS
> > > IE (No other browser can come even close, Mozilla can't render yahoo.com
> > > properly, and crash when you try to send a bug report)
> >
> > IE, you say? Here's IE's copyright info:
> >
> > Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center
> > for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at
> > Urbana-Champaign.
> > Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc.
> > Contains security software licensed from RSA Data Security Inc.
> > Portions of this software are based in part on the work of the Independent
> > JPEG Group.
> > Contains SOCKS client software licensed from Hummingbird Communications Ltd.
> > Contains ASN.1 software licensed from Open Systems Solutions, Inc.
> > Multimedia software components, including Indeo(R); video, Indeo(R) audio,
> > and Web Design Effects are provided by Intel Corp.
> > Unix version contains software licensed from Mainsoft Corporation. Copyright
> > (c) 1998-1999 Mainsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Mainsoft is a
> > trademark of Mainsoft Corporation.
> > Warning: This computer program is protected by copyright law and
> > international treaties. Unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this
> > program, or any portion of it, may result in severe civil and criminal
> > penalties, and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the
> > law.
> >
> > Notice the word MICROSOFT anywhere in there? The program was written by
> > another company, based on work by yet ANOTHER group - Microsoft has only
> > added bells and whistles (and numerous security holes).
>
> Oh yeah, IE is just a big conglomeration of other software. Microsoft
> didn't write one single line of code, write?
>
> Oh yeah, and IE doesn't have ANY additional functionality over Mosaic.
>
> Riigggghhhttt....
>
You're right. Microsoft added a lot: tons of security holes and bugs.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Article: AOL in cahoots with Compaq, HP to derail WinXP, .NET?
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:47:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > And replace it with what? The AOL desktop?
>
> Please don't say that, the thought sends shivers down my spine.
B^>
--
Pete
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:33:06 +0200
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
>> Does it say "accept" and "reject", or does it just say "OK" and
>> "cancel", and you're assuming the change is rejectable?
>
> Ahhhh... I usually change the time back to the correct time then hit OK.
> I don't remember if there was a cancel.
>
No, there is not.
Peter
--
There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux disgusts me
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:30:35 +0200
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>
>> No, not NT4. *That* one is clearly not as fast as XFree4
>
> What about Windows 2000?
>
No idea.
Will also never have one. W2K and XP are absolute NoNo�s for me.
They will *never* be installed on any of my systems.
But, according to reliable sources, W2K is not as fast as NT4. And NT4
was slow as molasses on all my systems (even on a SMP-500MHz).
OS/2-Warp4 ran rings around it even with just 1 processor. OS/2 Aurora
(with both processors) just left in in the dust, as does linux.
Peter
--
Get the new Windows XP. Now with eXtra Problems included
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windos is *unfriendly*
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:51:19 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Well Pete, I don't know what you'd do, but Wife and I are going to
> remove Win98Se off of the HP Pavillion and try RedHat 7.1. I can't see
> buying a new computer just to get XP when the current machines only
> problem is the Win98SE. There's nothing wrong with the hardware so why
> through it out for XP? We don't need it for demanding games, just
> business software. Win98SE has been nothing but a major headache in
> getting things done.
I'm trying out SuSE 7.1 on a dual boot system. That way I get to use both
systems and evaluate the differences.
I've fooled around with XP and it seems fairly robust. It'll happily work
on my current system - however I'm not sure I want to have XP with it's
registration of my hardware. Especially since recently I changed mobo and
CPU.
--
Pete
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 17:34:45 -0500
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> That's exactly my point. Pascal properly hides what shouldn't be
> normally used by an application developer (i.e. dirty tricks with
> pointers). You can do in Pascal anything you can do in C, but you must
> state very explicitly, so that you're made aware of what you're doing.
> Once you've learned, you may start playing with C++, if you feel like,
> but your background will make you avoid all the trivial errors you can
> do with C++, without the compiler telling you, and learning only at run
> time.
Not true. You can't do anything can do with C++. You can't write device
drivers, for instance.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: IE
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 01:22:22 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Michael Pye in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 6 May 2001 16:44:24
> >That kind of shit is a long way off. At the moment HTML is just messed
up.
> >We have to wait until it is completely inadequate before anything will
> >happen, and even then we are talking another VHS / Betamax where the
> >technologically poorer side will undoubtably win... ;)
>
> You misunderstand and misrepresent the reality of the VHS/Betamax issue.
Strangely, I agree with T. Max this time.
Beta might have better quality, but VHS could put longer films on the
cassate.
So, to mis-qoute Denial, Beta might be "technology superior", but it didn't
have what the consumer.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 01:48:02 +0200
"Jonas Due Vesterheden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:KmiJ6.10919$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "donc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Oh sure. And everybody knows that NCSA Mosaic was inspired by IE. Why,
> > if it weren't for Microsoft's innovation there wouldn't even an
> > internet today. But perhaps their biggest contributions have been in
> > the areas of reliability and openess.
> Are you saying that Microsoft created the internet or am I
misunderstanding?
> If not, can you please explain?
A> live a space between your responses and your qouting.
B> he's being sarcatic.
C> IE is *much* more than Mosaic.
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From: "Electric Ninja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:01:05 GMT
The concept of open-source operating systems is beautiful. What they do for
the rest of us is show us that exploration into low-level design and how
computer hardware works isn't something left only to corporations with huge
bank sums and another buck to make.
Personally I enjoy studying the architecture of Windows NT/2000 and NTFS.
But more and more so, I'm doing it because I want to design a free,
simplified, more graceful replacement for it. Even though Linux isn't for
me and isn't my baby or my favorite, this is when I become thankful for the
efforts behind Linux and the improved documentation of PC hardware that
results because of it.
A lot of companies have haphazardly played with Linux either to make money
or because of someone's ideals of what this industry should be. It may be
too soon yet for success but you can bet I'm glad they are trying.
Josh S.
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> My theory is based on the number of business that are in the shit
> because they stuffed around.
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