Linux-Advocacy Digest #270, Volume #30 Thu, 16 Nov 00 15:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OS stability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
And it just goes on and on.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Speed of JAVA / was: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (t@t)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: And it just goes on and on.... (Mike Raeder)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Need some advice on Linux (Pete Goodwin)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:58:43 -0500
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > The mailer should either provide a safe viewer or warn you that
> > there is no safe viewer (and it should *not* warn for normal
> > attachments where a safe action is possible). That way if you
> > get something unsafe and unexpected you will know not to execute
> > it.
>
> How about just having the mail application block the following file types
> altogether so that they don't get accidentally run. And if it's so important
> to distribute the file the sender will no doubt post it to their own company
> server and allow it to be taken from there via ftp with a simple hypertext
> link inside the email.
>
> .ade Microsoft Access project extension
> .adp Microsoft Access project
> .bas Microsoft Visual Basic class module
> .bat Batch file
> .chm Compiled HTML Help file
> .cmd Microsoft Windows NT Command Script
> .com Microsoft MS-DOS program
> .cpl Control Panel extension
> .crt Security certificate
> .exe Program
> .hlp Help file
> .hta HTML program
> .inf Setup Information
> .ins Internet Naming Service
> .isp Internet Communication settings
> .js JScript file
> .jse Jscript Encoded Script file
> .lnk Shortcut
> .mda Microsoft Access add-in program
> .mdb Microsoft Access program
> .mde Microsoft Access MDE database
> .mdz Microsoft Access wizard program
> .msc Microsoft Common Console Document
> .msi Microsoft Windows Installer package
> .msp Windows Installer patch
> .mst Visual Test source files
> .pcd Photo CD image or Microsoft Visual Test compiled script
> .pif Shortcut to MS-DOS program
> .reg Registration entries
> .scr Screen saver
> .sct Windows Script Component
> .shs Shell Scrap Object
> .url Internet shortcut
> .vb VBScript file
> .vbe VBScript Encoded Script file
> .vbs VBScript file
> .wsc Windows Script Component
> .wsf Windows Script file
> .wsh Windows Script Host Settings file
And how much LONGER will that list be next month?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:00:55 -0500
sfcybear wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:09:22 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
> > >
> > A lot of people care what I *do*. You may dismiss my comments on COLA
> > as inconesquential. I wouldn't fault you for doing so, but I would
> point
> > out that
>
> And what you have done is insult me. I could not care less what you have
> done with other people your behavior around me has been insulting.
>
> >
> > (1) The same could be said for your incoherent ramblings.
> The prove me wrong. Prove Webcraft wrong. Prove that Linux boxes are
> insecure just because they have been up for a long time! These are the
> claims I have made what is so incoherent about that? Yet you steadfastly
> refuse to disscuse these topics. Instead you get up on your high hourse
> and bash me personaly without discussing the points that I have raised.
>
> Now, Is linux insecure just because it has been up for over a year as
> Eric has claimed.?
Seems to me that the longer the uptime...especially if the system's
IP address has been publicized...it demonstration that the system
is, in fact, secure as all get out.
>
> > (2) Deeds speak louder than words. And all those Linux users who
> > keep sending me thank you letters certainly care what I do.
> >
>
> And I have thanked you or your efforts, however that does not excuse
> your behavior in regards to me.
>
> If you think my ramblings are incoherant perhaps it is because you miss
> read what I said. I said "WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK" and your whole
> rebutle to this is about what you DO. There is a huge differance between
> "think" and "do". If you do not understand the differnce then the
> misscomunication is at your end.
>
> Again, thaks for what you do. However, I could care less what you think
> or what your opinion is. After all you climed that I was calling you an
> anti-linux person when the "evicance" you posted showed NO SUCH
> STATMENT> !!!
>
> > --
> > Donovan
> >
>
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> Before you buy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: And it just goes on and on....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:08:55 GMT
Yet another satisfied Linux user. Note the part about the hardware
working fine under Windows. That part is repeated over and over and
over again by people attempting to use Linux.
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Now I've found the serialconf command. I find that both ttyS0 and
ttyS2
are using IRQ 4. Bad.
So, I rm ttyS0.
Kppp still says "modem busy" with device set to ttyS2.
So I type: serialconf /dev/ttyS2 irq 5
serialconf confirms that the IRQ has been changed to 5.
Try kppp again. Modem is STILL busy.
Am I just too stupid to use Linux? Win98 has no problem with this
hardware.
Since there's only one printer port on this machine, I can't see how
IRQ
5 should be busy. Can anyone recommend any other IRQs to try, or
another way of attacking this problem?
Thanks,
The Herring
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:06:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> >
> > "Tore Lund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > > Under
> > > > > Windows best thing would be install new disk with the
>software that
> > > > > comes with it (partitioning program) and re-install from the
>image CD
> > > > > included with the machine.
> > > >
> > > > Then it could take weeks to install all your software on top of
>that.
> > >
> > > This is completely trivial to do under Windows 95/98 (not sure
>about
> > > Win2K). You have your old disk in C: and a new, formatted disk
>in D:.
> > > Make sure all files are visible in Windows Explorer, then copy
>and paste
> > > everything EXCEPT c:\windows\win386.swp to the new disk. That's
>it.
> > > You can now swap disks, move jumpers and boot again.
> > >
> > > (Note: This is a VERY brief description for people who
>understand what
> > > they are doing. But it really is that simple...)
> >
> > And you just ignore all those "can't open" file errors during such a
> > copy and hope it isn't anything you need? Anything running or
> > open will fail to copy.
>
> Hmmm. There are no such messages so I believe you are wrong here.
>
Have you ever heard of a "Sharing Violation"?????
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From: t@t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Speed of JAVA / was: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 16 Nov 2000 10:25:19 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roland says...
>JAVA-based (Multithreaded) MPEG 2 encoder/decoder comes in mind...
>
where is this mpeg-2 encoder/decoder written in java??
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:40:05 GMT
So much for you telling the truth about the kill file and taking the
highroad in the insults. Did you ever consider that there are medical,
Cultrual, and language differances that can account for spelling and
gramar error? Even with the Deja spell checker it is very difficult.
Please don't make a liar of yourself and killfile me like you said you
would
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:43:27 GMT
In article <yw1P5.18333$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:h0XO5.7562$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Sorry, but I would *MUCH* rather take a server down for regular
*HARDWARE*
> > maintenance every so often, than risk a spontaneous failure, which
will
> > leave my site unavailable and losses of data since the last backup.
>
> Do you have to polish up those disk platters once in a while or what?
Naw, he got that rust preventing, wax free coating that lasts 5 years
and adds $500 to the sticker price.
I
> just
> copy things over to a new machine every 4 or 5 years.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:54:08 +0200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8v1b7a$qn7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Les Mikesell wrote:
> > > And you just ignore all those "can't open" file errors during such a
> > > copy and hope it isn't anything you need? Anything running or
> > > open will fail to copy.
> >
> > Hmmm. There are no such messages so I believe you are wrong here.
> >
>
> Have you ever heard of a "Sharing Violation"?????
The only file that I've not been able to copy successfully with windows (9x,
though), was win386.swp
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:58:37 +0200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 04:34:30 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >Rpm does more than one thing, and unlike windows 'setup'
> >programs it doesn't take a half hour of mousing around
> >followed by a reboot to tell it what you want.
>
> I've never had setup.exe fail yet.
Actually, RPM aren't equal to setup.exe, as this is merely a file name that,
according to his name, should install a program, but can do whatever its
programmer wanted it to do, so I wouldn't compare RPM to setup.exe
MSI, OTOH, are comparable to RPM, and much better than setup.exe.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:01:48 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've never had setup.exe fail yet.
Oh I have, and usually in the most unpleasant way.
> Because unlike Linux, I am installing one program. I don't have to
> worry about 15 other programs necessary to make this one program
> function.
That's because every application comes with everything it needs in order to
install. Including several copies of various system DLL's - hence the "DLL
hell" that sometimes occurs.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:01:28 +0200
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:mORQ5.9572$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:1dMQ5.154$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:MCIQ5.8699$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My my but we are getting nasty today.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're starting to sound like jedi :(
> > > > >
> > > > > Pretty soon you might start adding the word "hardly" to every
> > > > > sentence.
> > > > >
> > > > > claire
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > But it really is very simple to install wine. If you can't do it,
then
> > you
> > > > have no brain:
> > > >
> > > > rpm -Uvh wine*.rpm
> > >
> > > This is brain dead? Why not rpm wine*.rpm?
> > >
> > > Why not have one wine file, why are their multiple?
> > >
> > > What's -v and -h for? Yes, I'm sure that it's all in the docs (if
> > > there are any), but seriously, simply extract an rpm file I must
> > > really have THREE command line arguments?
> >
> > Nahh... If you want, you could have more!
> > Free OS / Free Country
> > Knock yourself out!
> >
> > >
> > > How many are required to get a listing of the contents of the rpm?
> > > 8? 9?
> >
> > Hmmm.... rpm -qilp wine*.rpm
> >
> > four
>
> Oh that's MUCH better.
>
> Why not just rpm -l wine*.rpm?
>
> Why do I need FOUR, count them FOUR, arguments just to list the contents?
>
> >
> > >
> > > > man wine.conf
> > >
> > > Ah yes, two things here:
> > >
> > > - man the always unintuitive, vague, and rarely helpful Jargon-o
> > > Machine that seems to only really assist the people who actually
> > > developed the application you're attempting to get assistance for.
> > >
> > > And "man"? I want "help" or "assistance". The term "man" is
> > > completely back-asswards. Like everything, I guess, in Linux and
> > > Unix.
> >
> > alias help='man'
> > alias assistance='man'
>
> And the average joe user is expected to know this?
>
> What if I didn't know what alias was? How would I find out that
> it existed?
I knew what .bashrc was, and what alias was, and I still wasn't able to get
a simple
alias cd..='cd ..'
in a debian installation I tried.
Logging off and restarting didn't help.
Never understood why.
> I'd have to buy a For Dummies book just to do basic stuff.
>
> With Windows, there are how-tos, wizards, walk-throughs, and a
> comprehensive, searchable, indexed help system.
And still there are For Dummies for windows.
The point is that *dummies* use them.
Basic stuff in windows isn't hard.
The hard part begin when you go beyond
surf-the-web/read-email/use-word/navigate-through-the-file-system
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From: Mike Raeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: And it just goes on and on....
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:10:49 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Yet another satisfied Linux user. Note the part about the hardware
> working fine under Windows. That part is repeated over and over and
> over again by people attempting to use Linux.
And [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes on and on...
Aren't you bored with yourself yet? :P
--
My Australian Shepherd is smarter than your honor student
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Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 Nov 2000 13:03:48 -0700
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The only reason to use C or C++ that I can think of is speed; and
> > perhaps that some library you need to use only has C bindings. In
> > today's era of 1ghz machines, these points are becomming moot
> > quickly. A VB application today runs as fast as it's C++ equivelent
> > of a year or two ago.
>
> Actually, there are several reasons to use C++. 1) Advanced re-use
> mechanisms. Templates are the basis for a new style of programming called
> generic programming. Some very interesting and extremely reuseable tools
> are emerging out of them. The STL is but one example. Nothing like it
> exists for any other language.
I beg to differ; any reasonable language doesn't need an extension
like STL because they offer it as part of the base language.
> Of course the STL does some of the same things other langauges do by
> default, such as provide string handling. However, those languages don't
> provide common algorithms that work with all the common types. For
> instance, you can't use a string in pascal the same way you'd use a list or
> map, much less use them in the same exact algorithm.
I vaguely remember Pascal. :) But I'm talking about _modern_
languages.
> > But that's the whole point. Most people don't want/need to know how
> > it is translated. You also have this problem to a lesser extent with
> > any high-level language (like C++, for instance -- how are templates
> > compiled?).
>
> You can look at the commented assembly code if you're interested. Most
> compilers will produce an assembly output with comments indicating each
> source line and what assembly code is associated with it.
... and then do in-line assembly if it is incorrect? Like I said, if
speed is your absolute requirement, C and C++ aren't bad languages to
consider.
> > Java is a great language that tries too hard to be multi-platform; I'd
> > even go so far as to say it is C++ done almost correctly.
>
> Except it doesn't ahve Multiple Inheritance.
Unfortunately, yes (sorry, interfaces don't cut it). Other gripes I
have about Java:
o It sacrifices useability in certain cases, to be
platform-dependent; compiling to object code would be faster.
o It includes all sorts of contrived tools (StringTokenizer) instead
of a real regular expression class -- yes, you can bolt that on
with additional libraries, but it should be standard.
o The naming convention (com.sun.blah.blah) bugs me for being
too verbose, and too tied to the current internet naming structure.
o There is way too much casting going on where polymorphism isn't
involved. I find myself having to cast doubles and Integers
and ints all the time when it should be painfully obvious to the
compiler what I'm doing. The abstract primitive types are
annoying, but I suppose that's what happens when OO becomes more
important than ease-of-use.
On another note, Swing has fixed the most annoying problems with Java
1.x; it's relatively painless to code complex interfaces now. Java
has always had excellent cross-platform GUI code, which I appreciate a
lot.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:07:40 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Personally I'd rather have a blank CDR than one with Linux on it. At
> least a blank is useful to me, unlike Linux.
Again, then why order a copy? Why are you getting a copy of Linux if a
blank CDR is more useful to you?
> I ordered a copy because it is certainly cheap enough, and I like to
> see how the other half is suffering. You'll be back to Windows soon
> Pete, just like you did last time.
> All in good time. All in good time.
Maybe, maybe.
However... I do seem to be actually _using_ it, rather than bitchin' about
it.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need some advice on Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:09:53 +0000
Craig Kelley wrote:
> Also be careful: There are reports that the Widnows ME installer
> erases any other operating system on your machine; so backup before
> you reinstall it.
ME like 98 SE overwites your MBR, but doesn't seem to disturb other OS's.
At least, other Microsoft OS's.
Not tried it with Linux so far.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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