Linux-Advocacy Digest #580, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. (Josh McKee)
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful (Alex)
Re: Linux is awful ("Sourav Laskar")
Re: Whistler review. (Josh McKee)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (B. P. Uecker)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (B. P. Uecker)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Anybody considering Linux should read this. (tom)
Re: Whistler review. (Steve Mading)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Anybody considering Linux should read this. ("Frizzle Fry")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:55:24 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3937182.html?pt.ms..feed.ne_home
>
> I can't blame them, lack of interest is why MS dropped support for other
> chips in W2K.
>
> Just amusing to see RedHat following the dollars and not technology for
> technologies sake.
A business that totally ignores $$$ will soon be out of business.
Right now, RedHat would be best to concentrate on the Intel/AMD market,
as the Sparc machines ALREADY HAVE a unix operating system on them.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:59:15 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > This frog shit beats the hell out of whale shit.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And ALL the windows shit beats the living hell outta the dinosaur shit
> unix
> > > drags itself though.
> >
> > How would you know?
>
> Because I started in computers running unix and have graduated to W2K.
You sound like somebody who never ever understood unix in the first place.
> You might learn something if you moved up too.
>
> >
> > > .. go away troll.
> >
> > You are the Troll in comp.os.linux.advocacy and comp.sys.mac.advocacy
> groups.
> > M$ doesn't own these newsgroups, so take your arrogant Wintrolling
> attitude and
> > BSOD yourself with it.
>
> Aaron is a known coma troll - I do not cross post to those groups (only
> reply)
I read cola. If you're reading it in coma, that's because YOU idiots
keep cross-posting, you FOOL.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh McKee)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:00:43 GMT
On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 03:08:29 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3a26937a$0$44719$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>>
>> Because I started in computers running unix and have graduated to W2K. You
>> might learn something if you moved up too.
>
>Up? I think you are confused. Does Win2k even include the tools to
>clone an installed system with its apps?
Yes.
Josh
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:00:54 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> If you left me in a room and told me to programme, all you would hear
> would be, "bullshit, there are no errors", "year, bloody right, what
> ever ya piece of shit" for the next couple of hours, the computer will
> always come out second best when I get so pissed off I must release my
> anger on it!
Learn shell scripting.
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> >> Unfortunately I don't have the patience to programme, thats why I only
> >> programme as a last resort.
> >
> >
> > I'm the opposite.
> >
> > I don't have the patience to do the same things over and over by hand...
> > that's why I almost always program.
> >
> >> kiwiunixman
> >>
> >> mitch wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:53:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In terms of databases, I dispise Access, I prefer
> >>>> using Filemaker, much easier, and producers the same/better results that
> >>>> Access.
> >>>>
> >>> I can`t stand windowed database apps - I am only comfortable with
> >>> pl/sql.
> >>>
> >>>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:01:26 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > > I don't believe you
> >
> > And you have zero credibility, so I don't care if you do believe me.
> Continue
> > on in your Windows sheltered life.
>
> and your credibility? haha. Sheltered? who's using the free toy?
> >
> > > - that is unless you boss is less interested in
> > > productivity and interoperability and profit then he is using the latest
> > > trendy anti-ms warez.
> >
> > Trendy? HaHaHa. Since when is Linux 'Trendy'? Since when is Microsoft
> not
> > 'Trendy?
>
> I hardly consider MS trendy - do you have a dictionary handy? Try using it.
>
> >
> > And you're just a 2 bit whiner now trying to second guess my boss.
> > Fortunately, He doesn't listen to idiots like you. Our department made
> 18%
> > more money profit for the company last quarter on Linux and our
> productivity
> > and interoperability have gone up since pitching out Windows.
>
> Gee, there is the quarter where you didn't spend money on the OS. OK, great,
> 18% - now, lets see how it goes after you've eaten the TCO advantage of that
> away and have to spend more time getting the same tasks done at the CLI than
> in Windows. And more time you spend trying to find, fix and compile apps
> from strangers to try to fill the void ... Your one company experience pales
> to the dozens I've had experience with. Time will tell...
>
> >
> > > Winning what? Linux and making money are words that never appear in the
> same
> > > sentence unless it's something like "Linux and making money are words
> that
> > > never appear in the same sentence"
> >
> > Repeat:: Our department made 18% more money profit for the company last
> > quarter on Linux and our productivity and interoperability have gone up
> since
> > pitching out Windows. <NOTE: Linux and money appeared in the same
> sentence
> > along with the word profit! You're wrong again.>
>
> but i don't believe you so what's the matter. One client of mine has
> realized a mutlimillion dollar savings purchasing Wintel architecture after
> dropping their horribly over priced and underperforming sun boxes. They
> continue to save money in development time developing to a unified API and
> the single most popular programming environment.
>
> >
>
> > Your attempt at an intimidating tone in a newsgroup post really
> intimidates
> > nobody......but it does make you look like a hothead idiot.
> >
>
> your arguments are weak, your proof non-existant and your tone whinny. I
> don't know the temp. of your head but an idiot you are.
How often do they let you out of the hospital?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:04:33 -0500
Eric Meyer wrote:
>
> >They should really try doing a Windows install before complaining.
>
> I have many times. It may not be as easy as installing Office (or the like),
> but it's still a hundred times easier than linux.
>
> Em
I have to disagree with you...
The difficulty of installing Linux or M$ Windows depend on your hardware
a lot.
With the following hardware I have.
ACER Monitor;
AMD K6-3 450
Asus P5-A
128MB ram
Video card: Ati All in Wonder 128 (16MB)
Sound card: Sound Blaster 128
Two SCSI cards, one ethernet card
SCSI CD-ROM, CR-RW, Zip drive, and Scanner...
All the stuff I have mention above work beautifully with linux. I did
not have much trouble installing RedHat Linux on the PC... Only a little
tweak for the video card... That is about it...
Ok, with Windows... The installation was ok. Windows certainly takes a
lot more time to install then Linux needs. BUT, Windows hardly boot up
correctly... When booting up Windows, most of the time the width of the
screen is out side the viewable area a lot and left a lot of blank on
the top and bottom... It's like wide screen???
Hey, don't even try to say Linux mess up Windows. I use hard drive
drawers for each OS.
Sometimes it boots up ok.. sometimes it doesn't. scanner does not work
very well under Windows although I have install all required driver and
software.
As far as installing software...
Linux is still easier then Windows (from my point of view). I don't need
to reboot my Linux box every time I install some software or change some
setting.
However, I still need to thank Windows.
If it is not so BAD, I will never know the existence of Linux.
Alex.
============================================
The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence
http://www.seti.org/
Registered with the Linux Counter. ID# 175126
http://counter.li.org/index.html
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From: "Sourav Laskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:50:07 +0530
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:906rne$6g3g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[..blah...blah..]
May be Linux isn't so user friendly. But, as far as I go,
I would have been a big zero in Computers with only a Windows only computer.
Linux "with all its unfriendliness and" with its howtos and do it yourself
attitude has been more useful to me for the last one and a half years than
windows for god knows how many years.
-Sourav
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh McKee)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:12:12 GMT
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:12:21 GMT, "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:RptU5.25410$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom Elam wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:30:51 +0200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to
>"Ayende
>> > > Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > >
>> > > >For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as
>good
>> > > >from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>> > >
>> > > That would make it a pretty impressive piece of software.
>> > >
>> >
>> > yep, only 2 crashes per day instead of 5, and only 5 employees angry for
>> > their work being lost instead of 10 employees.
>>
>> You idiots are all the same. You used Windows back in the Win3.0 days,
>> realized it was shit, and then never used another Windows again, but
>> held every version to that standard.
>>
>> NT is far superior, Win2K even more, and Whistler just that much more.
>
>
>You have to understand that a lot of these "idiots" are like me and have
>used MS OS's since DOS 1.0. Their history of buggy software and terrible
>developer support pre-dates Windows by a number of years.
>
>I'm not above admitting that they've made some drastic improvements. A lot
>of Windows' problems had to do with supporting the MS-DOS legacy and I'm
>sure it wasn't easy for them. I'm glad to see they've finally buried it.
>Their developer support is MUCH better too. Aside from its' occasional
>brain-farts, I rather like NT for casual desktop use. It sure as hell beats
>95/98 as a development platform.
>
>For heavy-duty, mission-critical stuff, though - MS just hasn't cut the
>mustard yet.
>
>When someone shows me an MS OS that doesn't inexplicably die after a week of
>heavy server activity - Or an MS workstation that doesn't BSOD several times
>a week - Or an MS OS that doesn't need restarted everytime an application or
>component (other than a service release) is added or removed, I'll consider
>it a serious OS. Until then I and the other "idiots" won't be overly
>impressed.
You may wish to look at Microsofts Data Center version of Windows
2000. It may be the Microsoft OS that really works in the situation
you've described.
Josh
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From: B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:16:54 -0600
mark wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>If it had been clear, then I wouldn't have needed clarification.
>
>If you want a proper filewall, Debian GNU/Linux is an excellent choice.
>
>If you want to grep your logs, grep comes as standard with Debian.
>
>With windows, you need to download it. Oh yeah, you need to buy
>a firewall, as well, I think. This is like buying a car and
>then having to buy the locks separately. amazing, now that I
>think about it!
Amazing only to a simpleton, for whom amazement must be an everyday
occurrence. Because firewalls come in all shapes and sizes and
degrees of security, it makes no sense to bundle it in with the OS.
An administrator would rather choose the one that best suits his
needs.
As for grepping, Windows has a very nice search function built-in
which eliminates the need for some poncy command-line add-on.
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From: B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:17:56 -0600
Tom Wilson wrote in <bJ5U5.201$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>IMHO, they ignore Netware because it routinely kicked NT's ass in the file
>serving department for years. NT couldn't even come close where stability
>and uptime were concerned. Netware was always more responsive, too.
Stability? Netware? Ha ha ha!!!
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:31:28 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:R0EV5.24843$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > About the documents, I can read documents made in office 97 or 2000
with
> > > Word 6.
> > > File > Save As > Word 6.0
> > > No problems there.
> >
> > How do you do that when you only have word 6.0 and an office 97
document?
> > And please don't tell me about the conversion program that was released
> > much later.
> >
>
> OK Les, Please explain to all of us how to write in version x of any
> program support for features in version of x+2 of that same program. Are
> you psychic or psychotic?
This should only be a concern if you actually used a feature that the
prior version(s) could not handle. What actually happens is that even
a blank document using no features can't be loaded by the previous
version. Are the MS programmers incapable of designing a scheme
where new, thus unknown, attributes can be ignored? That sounds
pretty simple and obvious to me.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:37:09 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:O3EV5.24844$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> So you are saying that if I write an application that creates a file of an
> efficient format for my application. The market likes my application and
a
> majority buy it. Then a copy cat comes along and creates a similar
> application, it is my responsibility to make sure he can read my files.
>
> Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
If you were the largest power supplier, would you be able to pick an
arbitrary voltage to feed so you could be the only source of appliances
too? Or if you were the largest railroad, could you change the width
of the tracks so no one else's equipment would work there?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:38:19 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:905e4r$npr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >
> > > About the documents, I can read documents made in office 97 or 2000
with
> > > Word 6.
> > > File > Save As > Word 6.0
> > > No problems there.
> >
> > How do you do that when you only have word 6.0 and an office 97
document?
> > And please don't tell me about the conversion program that was released
> > much later.
>
> I save the docs from 97/2000 in word 6 format.
>
I don't see how that relates to the question.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anybody considering Linux should read this.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:26:56 GMT
I recently came across a nice introduction to Linux at About.com ; it
talks about what Linux is, and what it isn't. I think this should be
required reading for anybody thinking about trying Linux. At the very
least, it would cut down on all the people complaining because Linux
isn't like Windows:
http://linux.about.com/library/weekly/aa071698.htm
Tom
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 1 Dec 2000 05:33:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Simon Palko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: There are *no* undocumented *Win32* APIs that I, or anyone else I've ever
: seen, is aware of. No one has *EVER* presented me *ANY* evidence of the
: existance of these, which would be trivial to do with a debugger that traps
: calls made. There *ARE* undocumented *NTAPI* calls. These are meant as
: hooks into the lower level system, and not for application use. I question
: whether they can actually even be called "APIs", as they're not meant for
: use by applications. The Win32 subsystem, OS/2 subsystem, POSIX subsystem,
: and WOW all map their calls in one way or another to NTAPI, IIRC. MS has a
: habit of changing this with different releases, and even on service packs,
: so its understandable as to why they don't document it for general
: development. They don't want people developing for it. Just program for
: one of the higher-level APIs and you're fine.
Ah, but what you just said yourself is the key - MS uses the
undocumented calls themselves for OS components. Normally this
would be acceptable - every OS vendor has calls that are for
internal use only too. But Microsoft has this really funny definition
of what counts as part of the OS itself. Some of the parts of
Internet Explorer, for example, are actually OS libraries that exist
solely for IE to use, but are loaded as part of the OS. These could
make calls into the internal "OS" functions on behaf of IE and it
wouldn't look like it when you examine the calls IE's .exe file is
making. Windows gets to re-define "OS" to include parts of applications,
and as such they can keep those applications' undocumented calls
within the umbrella of the OS. (I'm not saying this *is* for sure
happening, just that it *could* be happenning, and as such your
advice of snooping at the calls made by an MS app is an inadequete
test.)
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:44:27 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:905d41$m8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >
> > > > What do you do when you need a hundred at once, delivered to some
> other
> > > > office? Or even a few dozen rack-mount systems?
> > >
> > > "Hello, it's me again. I need computer with the following specs. Can
> I've
> > > them by next week? Yes, I knew I could, thank you very much. And
please
> > > arange that they would be delivered to this adress. Nice talking to
you"
> >
> > You are dreaming. Try it for real.
>
> I did, do and will continue doing so.
Do you keep statistics of failures, downtime, and replacement parts? I'd
be
interested in seeing how these worked out, especially several years ago
when it was harder to get things right.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:46:31 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:905d3t$m8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > > As usual you are avoiding reality. Do you dictate to everyone else
in
> > > your
> > > > office and your clients and customers how they are allowed to
> > communicate
> > > > with you, or do you do what you are forced to do and accommodate
them?
> > >
> > > I dictate them to use a file format which I can use.
> >
> > And just how many clients and customers have gone along with your
demands?
>
> All of them.
> If they want me to read their files, they send them in a format that I can
> read.
>
And that format would be? You aren't going out on much of a limb here
if it happens to be the one holding a monopoly position.
Les Mikesell
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 05:54:06 GMT
two words, Windows, DOS, figure it out
kiwiunixman
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> In article <904176$4tc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>>> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>>> In article <903nuc$4etg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
>>>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <8vupqd$5an6e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
>>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3a22e1cf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well you fuck off you GUI dependent mumma's boy. So, not only
>>>>>>>
> you
>
>>> can
>>>
>>>>> use
>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GUI but a mouse ooooooooooo you must very bright, you fucking
>>>>>>>
>>> nittwitt.
>>>
>>>>>>> As a note, Whistler should give you the option to turn off the GUI.
>>>>>>> Which is something that can be very useful for a server machine.
>>>>>>> I'm not sure if the workstation has it, or if it has, how to do
>>>>>>
> this.
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Er, what use is that with something with no cli?
>>>>>
>>>>> It has cli.
>>>>
>>>> You said it didn't. Are we now saying that there is a cli?
>>>
>>> When did I said it didn't have CLI?
>>> When I mentioned that it doesn't have dos? Dos isn't mandatory for cli.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I know that's the hook you're looking for - go for it, Ayende!
>>>>>> What colour is the 'new' cli?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any color you like, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's the shell?
>>>
>>> What do you mean here?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If we have no dos command processor, then what is the shell?
>
>
> You've a dos command processor. As they would in nt/2000
> Exactly what do you mean by asking what's the shell.
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From: "Frizzle Fry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody considering Linux should read this.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:44:32 -0600
Reply-To: "Frizzle Fry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Why would you suggest reading "just another article"? You'll never know
what it is like until you try it.
"tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:907cqt$fh2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I recently came across a nice introduction to Linux at About.com ; it
> talks about what Linux is, and what it isn't. I think this should be
> required reading for anybody thinking about trying Linux. At the very
> least, it would cut down on all the people complaining because Linux
> isn't like Windows:
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