Linux-Advocacy Digest #580, Volume #33 Fri, 13 Apr 01 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Bill Gates Is Ramming His Thick Meaty Cock Up Torvald's Weak Mincing Ass
(T. Max Devlin)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Alexis Cousein)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Craig Kelley)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this , day. (Mathew)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.hackers.malicious
Subject: Re: Why Bill Gates Is Ramming His Thick Meaty Cock Up Torvald's Weak Mincing
Ass
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:23:44 GMT
Said I Let the Dogs Out in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 11 Apr 2001
09:21:22 -0500;
>Anonymous wrote:
>
>> t. max dumbass eeped:
>> >Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 6 Apr 2001 03:19:52
>> > [...]
>> >>microsoft's products have always been less stable than unix. always.
>> >>yet they are still gaining market share.
>> >>wazzapwiddat c?
>> >
>> >Monopolization. Per-processor licensing, predatory development,
>> >predatory pricing, anti-competitive FUD. The works.
>>
>> so what you're saying is gates crushed unix by sheer force of evil?
>>
>> >>> Microsoft
>> >>> picked a very bad time, also, to lean on big customers whom they think
>> >>> aren't playing by the rules WRT licenses
>> >>> (http://www.internetweek.com/newslead01/lead032901.htm).
>> >>
>> >>a corporation concerned with profit?
>> >>shocked i tel u...
>> >
>> >A corporation which is profitable fucking their customers? Yes, we are
>> >a bit shocked, or would be if we weren't that naive.
>>
>> actually you linux commie faggots are the ones getting fucked and your
>> shit is so weak gates ain't even givin ya a reacharound.
>
>All joking aside, it amuses me to see IBM, HP and others (TiVo?) starting to
>make great profits off of Linux. The only people not getting paid are the
>coders.
>
>DOH!
>
>Great idea, guys. And now Bruce Perens is trying to weasel software patents in
>exchange for this 'free' software? I love having access to source code, and I
>am even lauching an open source project, but I really think programmers should
>get paid for quality work. Directly.
>
>When Microsoft Linux comes out, kiss your asses goodbye.You'll all be pumpin'
>for the man.
How stupid.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:27:38 +1000
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Kurt Lochner wrote:
> >
> > The Disengenuous Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sniveled at:
> > >
> > > silverback wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whined again when:
> > > > >
> > > > > silverback wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Sam A. Kersh wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > ><snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >> >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
> > > > >> >last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
> > > > >> >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
> > > > >
> > > > >Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
> > > > >of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
> > > >
> > > > too bad [Disengenuous Fraud] I'm neither I'm a liberal.
> > >
> > >And just what are you 'liberating', [..]
> >
> > The Usenet, of fools such as yourself, Disengenuous Fraud..
> >
> > > > >But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
> > > > >twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
> > > > >the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
> > > >
> > > > allowing corporations to price gouge consumers has nothing to do with
> > > > being a collectivist [Disengenuous Fraud].
> > >
> > >The key is competition, Glen. That's what laissez-faire capitalism is
> > >all about, you see; without government regulations preventing some new
> > >company from competing, entrepreneurs have an incentive to innovate [..]
> >
> > And when the corporations practically own our means of 'self-governance'?
>
> You mean such corporations as the ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC ministries of
> communist propaganda...
Why,mr dumbfuck,arre these corporations (and you know what a corporation
is) doing Capitalistic business,in a Capitalistic country if they desire
Communism?
>
>
>
> >
> > The fact is, Fraud, that the utilities lobby actively to make the
> > 'regulations' to their own liking, hardly the "laissez-faire capitalism"
> > that you pretend it is.. Does the term "robber-baron" mean anything
> > to you at all, or did your 'home-school' forget to mention that period
> > in the history of the United States?
>
> Many people have called the modern Russian economy "Robber Baron Capitalism"
> while failing to note that all of the Robber Barons are Communist Party bigwigs.
>
>
>
> >
> > > > In fact the real collectivist are the fucking corporations that are
> > > > bleeding the people.
> > >
> > >No corporation tells me to put down a 10X 'scope probe and pick up a
> > >shovel to dig a canal, or dig potatoes out of the fields. I'm free to
> > >do what I want, as long as idiotic government regulations aren't out
> > >to deprive me of my freedom (or electricity!).
> >
> > You can't have it both ways, Disengenuous Fraud..
>
> See above.
>
>
> >
> > --More of your squirming double-standards are self-evident, per usual..
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:31:05 -0500
"Neil Cerutti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud posted:
> >> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >I was giving you a simple example of using the primer. If
> >VC++6.0 can't handle it thats MSs' problem.
> >
> >If I can't get a good example... I'll apologize.
>
> Here's a page by Andrew Koenig devoted to pointing out
> non-standards compliance and other issues with MSVC++. I'm only
> a beginner in C++, but MSVC++ looks like it has some real issues.
>
> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/details/msbugs.html
Of course it does. VC++ 6 was released before the standard was finalized.
The argument is specifically about Multiple Inheritance.
>
> --
> Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *** Your mule won the colony tap-dancing contest. You collect
> $200. ***
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:30:38 +1000
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Kurt Lochner wrote:
> >
> > The Disengenuous Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sniveled at:
> > >
> > > silverback wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whined again when:
> > > > >
> > > > > silverback wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Sam A. Kersh wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > ><snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >> >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
> > > > >> >last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
> > > > >> >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
> > > > >
> > > > >Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
> > > > >of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
> > > >
> > > > too bad [Disengenuous Fraud] I'm neither I'm a liberal.
> > >
> > >And just what are you 'liberating', [..]
> >
> > The Usenet, of fools such as yourself, Disengenuous Fraud..
> >
> > > > >But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
> > > > >twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
> > > > >the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
> > > >
> > > > allowing corporations to price gouge consumers has nothing to do with
> > > > being a collectivist [Disengenuous Fraud].
> > >
> > >The key is competition, Glen. That's what laissez-faire capitalism is
> > >all about, you see; without government regulations preventing some new
> > >company from competing, entrepreneurs have an incentive to innovate [..]
> >
> > And when the corporations practically own our means of 'self-governance'?
>
> You mean such corporations as the ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC ministries of
> communist propaganda...
>
>
>
> >
> > The fact is, Fraud, that the utilities lobby actively to make the
> > 'regulations' to their own liking, hardly the "laissez-faire capitalism"
> > that you pretend it is.. Does the term "robber-baron" mean anything
> > to you at all, or did your 'home-school' forget to mention that period
> > in the history of the United States?
>
> Many people have called the modern Russian economy "Robber Baron Capitalism"
> while failing to note that all of the Robber Barons are Communist Party bigwigs.
Hardly the Russian Mafia,who are also encroaching deep into the U.S.
>
>
>
> >
> > > > In fact the real collectivist are the fucking corporations that are
> > > > bleeding the people.
> > >
> > >No corporation tells me to put down a 10X 'scope probe and pick up a
> > >shovel to dig a canal, or dig potatoes out of the fields. I'm free to
> > >do what I want, as long as idiotic government regulations aren't out
> > >to deprive me of my freedom (or electricity!).
> >
> > You can't have it both ways, Disengenuous Fraud..
> >
> > --More of your squirming double-standards are self-evident, per usual..
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:33:48 -0500
"Chris Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jerry Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Quite the contrary: he (Judge Jackson) decided that Microsoft had a
> > monopoly position because as a "finding of fact" he ruled that
> > Windows was the entire market being judged. Since that's a Microsoft
> > product, of course Microsoft has a monopoly on it.
>
> Please don't play so fast and loose with the facts.
>
> Judge Jackson ruled the market to be Intel-Compatible PC operating
> systems. He then went on to specifically address substitutes including
> server operating systems, Non-Intel-Compatible PC operating systems,
> information appliances, network computers, middleware etc.
No, because otherwise server operating systems would have been included if
it were simply Intel-Compatible PC operating systems.
> So you appear to be just making things up.
As are you.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:35:12 -0500
"Michael Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > People buy MS products because they get something out of it. Ever
tried to
> > > use Borland products ?
>
> Er. Yes actually I have. Borland C++ Builder was a dream when compared
with
> Miscrosoft Visual C++...
Sure, as long as you don't try to do anything fancy with it. Once you get
past what the IDE and the framework provide for you easily, it becomes, not
a dream, but a nightmare. In addition, it's a far buggier product.
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From: Alexis Cousein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:34:49 +0200
Jerry Coffin wrote:
> they
> made it clear that his judgement was poor (a serious accusation when
> his entire job of a judge is to show, well, good judgement) and
> probably bordered on being a crime in and of itself.
>
Ah -- you're saying that the court of appeal made it clear they consider
poor judgment bordering on being a crime? I wonder what wording made you
construe that opinion...
--
Alexis Cousein Senior Systems Engineer
SGI Belgium and Luxemburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:42:22 +1000
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:35:28 -0400
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, silverback
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> wrote
> > >> on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:10:11 GMT
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:22:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam A. Kersh)
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Goldhammer wrote:
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> > >> >>>> > Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
> > >> >>>> > >the economy,
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Precisely.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>And Capitalism has state-directed controls on the economy too.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>True capitalism is a laize faire proposition. And the prime rule is
> > >> >>buyer beware.
> > >> >
> > >> >and a totally unworkable system
> > >>
> > >> I will agree on this point, 100% pure capitalism (with no regulation)
> > >
> > >anarchic capitalism, yes.
> > >
> > >Libertarian capitalism, no.
> >
> > Assuming "libertarian" meaning "minimal enforcement to ensure everyone's
> > rights" or some such, I'd have to agree. But that's not lasseiz-faire,
> > as I understand it. (Then again, lasseiz-faire may require a minimal
> > level of enforcement as well, just to ensure no one gets swindled outright.
> > I'd have to dig deep to check this, though.)
>
> Considering that Jefferson was a laissez-faire advocate, and he
> wrote the constitution, which specifies minimal enforcement...
>
> The conclusion is left as an exercise for the reader.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> would lead to a very foul system indeed, as the top cats start
> > >> cutting sweetheart deals to shut out the lower echelons of society;
> > >> the lower echelons will in turn shut out even lower echelons, and
> > >> the poor will end up dead (pick your poison: air pollution, water
> > >
> > >Which is exactly what DOES happen in Communism.
> >
> > Yes, that is correct, and we have proof. Certain cities in the
> > Eastern part of Europe are blackened by decades of pollution.
> > (I've not seen proof firsthand, but I have seen pictures.)
>
> Generally, if you're in a big city of ANY former Warsaw Pact country,
> OR if you are in a place where the water supply comes from a river which
> is downstream from a big city in a Warsaw Pact country, then drinking
> the local tap water is hazerdous to your health, due to the massive
> volumes of pollution that the industries dump directly into the river.
Because there were no environmental laws to prevent this.
Limited govt.
>
>
>
> >
> > I did not bring up this scenario to exclude communism; as far as
> > I am concerned, sans regulation, both will end up at the same
> > (bad) end. (And I must ask the question: why the ruble? In a
> > pure communistic system, a monetary unit appears unnecessary.)
> >
> > Ideally, we wouldn't have to worry about it. Of course, ideally,
> > we wouldn't have to worry about eating, drinking, defecating,
> > moving from point A to point B, the high cost of energy used during
> > flying [*], etc.
> >
> > >
> > >> pollution, ground soil pollution, radioactivity, drive-by shootings
> > >> by caring individuals using Tommy guns, ... :-) ). Ultimately, one
> > >> will get a set of communes, each one a separate business, cartel, or trust.
> > >>
> > >> This is not to say communism is better; it leads to its own problems.
> > >> The ideal system is a mix. A gasoline engine (standard 4-stroke,
> > >> 2-stroke, jet turbine, whatever) cannot run on pure fuel or pure air;
> > >> the trick is to adjust the mix in the combustion chamber for
> > >> optimum throughput.
> > >>
> > >> Similarly with economies. The trick is to get the mix right.
> > >> (It's actually a lot more complicated than that, with issues such
> > >> as overshoot and ringing being thrown into the mix -- an overreactive
> > >> regulatory system can "flood the engine", or lead into an oscillatory
> > >> motion of the economy as the gain of the "amplifier" is too high,
> > >> depending on which metaphor one desires. :-) I am of the opinion
> > >> that the Fed needs to be more reactive and more precise, although
> > >> I'm not sure how the Fed can accomplish same without a lot more
> > >> economic data, reported more frequently that it is now.)
> > >>
> >
> > [.sigsnip]
> >
> > [*] I'm referring to bird flight here. Birds have light air-filled bones
> > and heavier musculature in their torsos than we do. We are
> > still discovering some of their secrets (one interesting one is
> > the creation of vortices by the flapping wing of a bird or moth,
> > increasing the lift.
> >
> > --
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> > EAC code #191 6d:10h:05m actually running Linux.
> > We are all naked underneath our clothes.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:44:07 -0500
"Thaddeus L Olczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> The investigation of Microsoft began under the Bush administration
> not the Clinton administration.
There was some form of investigation ongoing from about 1985+, however
almost all of them failed to produce anything.
> The investigation was sent over to Justice, where nothing much
> happened. In 95 Microsoft and DOJ reached a consent decree.
94.
> The judge ( Sporkin ) at the time decided that the decree was not
> tough enough on Microsoft. DOJ ( the same people who would later
> turn around and sue Microsoft ) went the appeals court to defend
> the decree, and the Judge was removed and Thomas Penfield Jackson
> ( the present judge ) was assigned the case.
It's not a judges job to decide such things when the parties have reached a
settlement.
> Then in 97-98 DOJ decided that Microsoft had violated that consent
> decree. After a year of back and forth in court, this case came into
> being. At Microsofts request the states case was joined with DOJs
> case. You can read more details in a piece in the New York Times
> I believe Joel Brinkley was one of the authors.
No, MS was exhonerated from the claims that they violated the consent
decree. They didn't. So, the DOJ, being the sore losers they are, decided
to bring an entirely new lawsuit against them.
> When the findings of fact came down DOJ did their best to cave in to
> Microsoft. It was the states that held fast and insisted on a harsh
> remedy.
True.
> They choose breakup over structural remedies,
Breakup *IS* a structural remedy. You mean behavioral remedy.
> not because they
> inflicted maxmimum pain, but because they were the least intrusive.
It's the *MOST* intrusive.
> Ask anyone who works for one of the companies derived from the
> original "Ma Bell" AT&T whether they would choose breakup
> or behavioural remedies for a solution. (Assuming that they are
> choosing for a company they like. ) They would all choose breakup.
> Behavioural remedies inflict constant scrutiny from the government
> and cast a pall over the company.
Like the breakup didn't cast a pall over the company. It took 5-6 years to
recover.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:49:44 -0600
"Russell Easterly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I will switch to LINUX when it can reliably run
> Windows NT as a sub-process.
http://www.vmware.com
We ran an NT4 backup domain controller on it, which was then promoted
to the primary domain controller while we upgraded the hardware in our
last-standing NT 4 server. Our entire NT domain was running under
VMWare on my Linux desktop. Quite amusing, to say the least. :)
Once the hardware upgrade was done, the real server was promoted and I
shut down my PDC.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this , day.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:51:16 +1000
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Mathew wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > *sunbird* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sliverdick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > and yer wrong again fuckhead
> > > >
> > > > > sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
> > > >
> > > > does it hurt being so stupid?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No brain, no pain.
> >
> > You sound like a Marine now!
> >
>
> I'll take that as a complement, even if it is from a pimply-faced,
> cowardly weakling such as yourself.
I am sure i could kick your perdue chicken farm ass any day.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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