Linux-Advocacy Digest #590, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 11:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows review ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version (sfcybear)
Re: Netscape review. (Eric Remy)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Netscape review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Any suggestions for a Voicemail program that works well? ("Bob Currey")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Whistler review. (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Don't believe the hype (Mike Raeder)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:06:25 +0200
"SuperGumby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:6iNV5.676$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm a Windows diehard, but if you want me to run win9x on a 386 with a GB
of
> RAM you can keep dreamin'.
Those are the minimum requirements, it would install and work on such a
machine.
> on a 486/66 with 64MB, RH5.2 and Win95 (providing similar functionality)
> worked OK, RH6.0 was almost unusable but may have pipped win98.
64MB is a big amount of RAM, even today.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:11:35 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Curtis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Your example had me wondering though.
> > > >
> > > > What practical real world task are you doing with you real world
> > > > operating system in the context of browsing that I can't achieve
with
> > > > IE? I use Netcaptor to be exact that uses the IE engine. I don't use
OE.
> > >
> > > Avoiding Trojans comes to mind. Not to mention that NT/2000 require
> > > some serious reconfiguration to avoid myriads of problems due to that
> > > leaky boat called "port 139".
> > >
> >
> > Two settings changes are 'serious reconfiguration' hell you can turn it
on
> > and off as desired. Or just implement IPSEC and still use it as
designed.
> >
>
> This link provides something more than two setting, in order
> to provide a certain amount of security for NT. Is the
> fellow crazy or you're oversimplifying a bit?
>
> http://bunbun.ais.vt.edu/work/securing_nt.html
Crazy, I would say.
But he wasn't talking about all the ways to secure NT box, he was talking
how to disable the "leaky boat called "port 139" "
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:13:32 GMT
"J.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 03:03:18 GMT, Chad C. Mulligan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> >> >Who proved Win2k to not be stable.
> >> >Answer the question.
> >>
> >> Ayende, you seem not to comprehend that whether or not something is
> >`stable'
> >> is purely subjective. To you, 2k is stable because it's an un-crashy
> >_desktop_.
> >> To me, 2k is not stable because it can't stay up as a _server_ for any
> >length of
> >> time without falling over.
> >>
> >
> >There must be something wrong with the administration of those systems,
> >don't fall over.
>
> Uh huh. You're a NT/2k admin, I presume? How many hits/day do _you_ get?
Perhaps we should talk about some of the more high profile sites that get
millions of hits per day and take it in stride using Windows 2000.
www.dell.com
www.gigabuys.com
www.microsoft.com
www.ebay.com
www.barnesandnoble.com
> >> So, as I keep saying, until you get me the source (which I can peruse and
> >point out faults to
> >> you) we will have to rely on our empirical observation and our judgement
> >in `proving' 2k to
> >> be unstable...
> >>
> >
> >Just curious, if your implementation of an OS is falling over, how will
> >having the code help?
>
> You can see exactly _how_ it's screwed, if something's not right in the OS,
> and can contribute changes to it.
Ah yes, systems administrators are often mistaken for what they do. Many
of them are closet kernel developers able to leap into the middle of kernel
code and fix whatever is wrong. Especially code that the original kernel
developers somehow missed.
Systems administrators are often mistaken for having little time. They have
many hours to spend pouring through thousands of lines of codes to fix the
problem that the original developers were seemingly too incompetent to fix
in the first place.
Sure... right.
> Anyway, you misunderstood the point; when
> I said to Ayende "until you get me the source" I was referring to an earlier
> set of posts where Ayende wanted "proof" that NT/2k was unstable. I responded
> (above) by saying that I can't provide objective "proof" unless I have the
> source code (so until then, I'll have to rely on empirical observation to
> state that, IMO, NT/2k are `unstable'.
Scientific studies showing that in common conditions NT/2K would be "unstable",
espeically compared next to similar OSes (like Linux, Solaris, etc) would
suffice.
However, the truth of the matter is, you know nothing about NT/2K and
you're content to embarrass yourself by saying it's unstable because _you_
have never got it running correctly.
> > Wouldn't RTFM be more useful?
>
> Reading the manual won't do fuck all for a munted OS.
Especially when Linux's documentation is laughable at best, non-existant
at worst.
-Chad
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:21:17 GMT
In article <qWNV5.3267$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3a26e716$0$3654$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3937182.html?pt.ms..feed.ne_home
> >
> > I can't blame them, lack of interest is why MS dropped support for
other
> > chips in W2K.
> >
> > Just amusing to see RedHat following the dollars and not technology
for
> > technologies sake.
>
> Using Penguinista logic, we can now assume that Linux never, doesn't,
nor
> ever will support SPARC, right?
No, Using Penguinista logic we would say that Redhat is not Linux and if
you want to get code to run on a sparc, go to the SOURCE at
www.kernel.org. Linux is open source. As long as people contributers
port the code to Sun equipment Linux will support Sun equipment. In
short, Redhad dropping support for sparc != MS dropping support for the
Alpha.
>
> -Chad
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Eric Remy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:46:49 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, spicerun
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
>> > > Netscape is a multi platform product.
>> >
>> > So is Mozilla and Opera.
>> >
>>
>> So is Internet Explorer.
>
>Please don't insult the Mac people.....I doubt they're thrilled with IE.
You'd be wrong. MSIE 5 for the Mac is one very nice browser. In several
ways better than MSIE 5.5 for PC, including standards compliance. Given
that Netscape sucks on Macs even worse than on Windows or Linux, it (or
iCab) should be the choice for most folks who've actually compared the
things.
--
Eric Remy. Chemistry Learning Center Director, Virginia Tech
"I don't like (quantum mechanics), | How many errors can
and I'm sorry I ever had anything | you find in my X-Face?
to do with it."- Erwin Schrodinger |
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:32:30 +0200
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:PdOV5.3313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "B. P. Uecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > mark wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > >If it had been clear, then I wouldn't have needed clarification.
> > >
> > >If you want a proper filewall, Debian GNU/Linux is an excellent choice.
> > >
> > >If you want to grep your logs, grep comes as standard with Debian.
> > >
> > >With windows, you need to download it. Oh yeah, you need to buy
> > >a firewall, as well, I think. This is like buying a car and
> > >then having to buy the locks separately. amazing, now that I
> > >think about it!
> >
> > Amazing only to a simpleton, for whom amazement must be an everyday
> > occurrence. Because firewalls come in all shapes and sizes and
> > degrees of security, it makes no sense to bundle it in with the OS.
> > An administrator would rather choose the one that best suits his
> > needs.
> >
> > As for grepping, Windows has a very nice search function built-in
> > which eliminates the need for some poncy command-line add-on.
>
> Not to mention that Windows has several cmd-line searching utilities
> and you can download several hundred more, I'm sure -- INCLUDING
> all the GNU utilities and grep.
You can get most of the main-stream linux & unix applications on Windows.
And there are unix shells for windows around if you miss it.
And if you *really* need Unix on Windows, you can always get Internix,
http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?subid=22&site=10464&x=24&y=6
Cost about 100$us.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:41:56 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > You haven't the foggiest idea. How about you deliver a "simple
> > > application" that does *both* associate multiple extensions with an
> > > existing file type or a new file type, regardless of whether those
> > > extension are registered with another existing file type. We'll see
how
> > > non-simple it is, eh?
> >
> > It's *very* simple.
> > T. Max.
> > As in, about the level of complexity of notepad.
> >
> > The application was built using VB6, therefor, you may need DLL files to
run
> > it, VB6 required files can be downloaded from here:
> > ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Softlib/MSLFILES/vbrun60.exe
> > The application itself can be downloaded from here:
> > http://www10.ewebcity.com/ayende/filetypes.zip
> >
> > The application works, I would *not* use it in real life situations
because
> > it took me only about 15 minutes to write it, and about 30 minutes total
to
> > add the comments and minimum documentation needed.
> > Full source code is also supplied.
>
> I'm not sure that I'd call gluing components together "programming".
> (I'm not saying that's all you've done, I have no interest in looking
> at VB code).
VB is the easiest and most simple way to provide an application with GUI.
And if you take a look at the code, you'll see that there are no components
glued together.
The application use standard API call to read/write/modify the registry. You
could do the same with any language that has a compiler for windows.
It's usually very easy to convert VB code to C/C++, the reverse is not true,
of course. If you know C/C++/Java/<any programming language>, it shouldn't
be hard to understand what the application is doing.
UBoung function return the number of of elements in array.
Left function return n number of characters from a string that you've given
it.
InStr check for the existance of one string in another string, and return
the position of this string in the other string, if no such string is found,
it return 0.
You can treat the rest as an algoritm, and should have no problems
understanting it.
T. Max wanted a simple program to handle associating multiply extensions
with file types.
That is what he got.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:48:35 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 1 Dec 2000 02:34:22
> >At some point, someone has to pay the bills.
> >Exchange programmers for who-ever-pays-the-bill and you see the point.
>
> Of course, but do you? Do you see the point of what your doing is
> demagoguery and fear-mongering?
>
> Horton hears a Who, my friend. Nothing to be worried about. Times
> change. Bills get paid.
By who? And where does the money come from?
> >> Actually, that's the solution. The problem is that with copyright
> >> wrapped in a trade secret, you can make money just *owning* it, without
> >> ever selling anything at all.
> >
> >Please repeat that, I don't think I understand what you are saying here.
> >If you can, would you provide an example of what you mean?
>
> I'm sorry to say, you'll have to point to which part you didn't
> understand. Re-typing it wouldn't help, after all.
How can you make money by owning copyright wrapped in a trade secret? Are
you talking about licensing software instead of selling it?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:56:26 +0200
"Eric Remy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, spicerun
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> >
> >> > > Netscape is a multi platform product.
> >> >
> >> > So is Mozilla and Opera.
> >> >
> >>
> >> So is Internet Explorer.
> >
> >Please don't insult the Mac people.....I doubt they're thrilled with IE.
>
> You'd be wrong. MSIE 5 for the Mac is one very nice browser. In several
> ways better than MSIE 5.5 for PC, including standards compliance. Given
> that Netscape sucks on Macs even worse than on Windows or Linux, it (or
> iCab) should be the choice for most folks who've actually compared the
> things.
I never run netscape on Mac, why is it so bad?
I understand that one of Mac's problems is with handling memory, and
netscape is noturious in demanding more and more and more memory as time
goes by. Not a good combination.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:58:09 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > The usual way to make a profit is by selling service and commodities.
> > > I can make a lot more in the same time by consulting for a lab,
> > > for example, than by writing code at work.
> >
> > That is not good if you make a general purpose software.
> > Especially if it's widely spread.
> > Take linux, frex, I didn't pay anything for my dist, and I've several, I
> > didn't pay for support, but I get it nonetheless, from newsgroup, email
> > lists, IRC, friends, and so on.
>
> Still, there are people who cannot get support in those ways.
> Or, they believe that the only good support is expensive support.
> (I just wish I had some of those people as customers <grin>).
How many of linux-users cannot get support in those ways?
Small precentage of the compotent ones.
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From: "Bob Currey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Any suggestions for a Voicemail program that works well?
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:14:00 -0600
I've been trying very hard to find one that works for the past few weeks.
I'm currently running Mandrake 7.1 (yes, I bought the Deluxe set), but
haven't fond anything that could:
Pick up the phone
Play a greeting sound file
Beep
Record a message sound file
Hang up the phone
I'm not looking for fancy or glitsy, just something that functions with any
of the following modems:
USR 56k Voice Faxmodem Pro External
Actiontec 56k External Data/Fax/Voice Modem
USR 28.8 Internal Telepath Voice Faxmodem (jumper selectable)
Motorola 56k Voicesurfr Internal Modem
So far, with much effort, I've tried:
kvoice - could never play a greeting, did save messages
asterisk - compile errors due to missing header file
pmfax - could not play greeting, didn't save messages
Any suggestions of things that work, or even limp would be appreciated....
BobC
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:37:15 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chad C. Mulligan in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
[...]
>Huh? The quote BLANK FILE is still built to support all the current
>versions features and the old version still hadn't the prescience to be able
>to read those attributes.
What attributes? ITS A BLANK FILE!
>If that is so simple how come WPCorp never could
>do that either.
Actually, they did. WordPerfect (which hasn't been WordPerfect
Corporation for a few years now) always handled conversions much better
than the monopoly crapware.
>IAC, the market was always driven by new versions
>supporting old formats not the ludicrous complaint that older versions
>should support newer file types.
The fact is, your entire argument about "new features" is entirely
bogus. You don't know what these features are, why they required a few
file format, or anything. You're forced into the position of insisting
that every change is an improvement, because MS said it was.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:39:00 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chad C. Mulligan in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said James A. Robertson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 30 Nov 2000
>> 05:37:51 GMT;
>> >In any market, the lead vendor doesn't need to worry about this. MS
>> >doesn't worry about making it easy to exchange documents for exactly the
>> >same reason that Sun doesn't make the JVM a better environment for other
>> >languages - They don't have to.
>>
>> The law says they do. Your consideration of "the lead vendor" is that
>> they are allowed to monopolize, because the free market often cannot
>> prevent them from doing so. However, it doesn't matter *how much*
>> market power (market share) you have, you're still not allowed to
>> monopolize. Whether a producer "has to" do something is predicated on
>> the consideration that what will force them to do it is the market's
>> ability to acquire alternative products if they don't. When a "lead
>> vendor" doesn't worry about whether their customers would choose an
>> alternative, based on their ability to control prices or exclude
>> competition to the point where the customers don't or can't choose an
>> alternative, they are not competing, they are monopolizing, and that is
>> always an illegal act, and therefore something I'd say they truly do
>> have to worry about.
>
>So you are saying that if I write an application that creates a file of an
>efficient format for my application.
How about just a format? Let's not pretend to be prescient about how
efficient it is.
>The market likes my application and a
>majority buy it. Then a copy cat comes along and creates a similar
>application, it is my responsibility to make sure he can read my files.
>
>Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ummm, yes. It is your responsibility, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO REMAIN
COMPETITIVE, to make sure your competitor can read your files. If he
can't, that makes your files less valuable to your customers, which
makes your product less valuable to your customers. Using market share
to deter competition is illegal.
--
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:44:28 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said James A. Robertson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
>Boy do you have weird notions about law. Your view is that primary
>vendors in any given market <must> support the mechanisms employed by
><all> smaller vendors attempting to compete?
That's one way of putting it. I must correct you on one minor point:
this is the way the law works, whether you believe it is a "weird
notion" because you are unfamiliar with it or not.
The primary vendor (so to speak) is NOT ALLOWED to use that fact in ANY
WAY to gain an advantage over the competition. That's called
"monopolization" or "restraint of trade"; they were both outlawed more
than a hundred years ago. Regardless of your market position, your only
options are to make your product *the way your customers want*
(regardless of whether that provides any lock-in or other
anti-competitive advantage) at the cheapest price you can. Anything
else is failure to compete. And, yes, sometimes it even comes down to
having to help the competition; either that, or face a federal judge.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:45:26 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chad C. Mulligan in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9OGV5.27490$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:O3EV5.24844$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >
>> > So you are saying that if I write an application that creates a file of
>an
>> > efficient format for my application. The market likes my application
>and
>> a
>> > majority buy it. Then a copy cat comes along and creates a similar
>> > application, it is my responsibility to make sure he can read my files.
>> >
>> > Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>>
>> If you were the largest power supplier, would you be able to pick an
>> arbitrary voltage to feed so you could be the only source of appliances
>> too? Or if you were the largest railroad, could you change the width
>> of the tracks so no one else's equipment would work there?
>>
>
>Of course if I'm the power user I could ask them the voltage and frequency
>and buitd a transformer/bridge to adjust their feeds to my needs.
BWAH-HA-HA-HA. :-D
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:48:07 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said kiwiunixman in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:45:42
>T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
>> Said kiwiunixman in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:49:02
>>
>>> I donot use Redhat Linux, I tried release 6.2, and from my experience, I
>>> donot understand the big noise companies make about Redhat Linux. I
>>> have found that SuSE has always sold reliable products (from my experience).
>>
>>
>> I think its down to SuSE or Debian for me, maybe both (on two different
>> machines). Any comments from those with some experience? How do the
>> packages compare, and which would be better for my "bit head" brother
>> who's always cobbling components into his five year old home-built
>> system, or for a small workgroup server/workstation combination
>> (including both Windows and Linux clients, and maybe some Sun boxes,
>> too)?
>I've heard some nasty stories about SuSE for Sparc, it probably best to
>stick with Solaris, it is a pretty reliable operating system, with good
>app. support.
No, no, the Sun boxes would all be Solaris.
A brief note to kiwiunixman.
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it. I'm sure it will seem like a hassle at first, but it will save
everyone else much more hassle, that way.
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From: Mike Raeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 00:50:57 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Actually I think Solaris is quality - its everything Linux isn't -
> stable with quality development tools that give you a chance to write
> and debug code productivly.
Great on a sparc, but kinda slow on Intel chips. :)
If you can install slowlaris <g> on a box, how on earth are you having trouble
with Linux? Maybe you should try Debian. It's more /Unix-like/ than most
distros. Or, for a quick install with less hassle, try Caldera.
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materiari?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:15:44 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > I can read a variety of formats, and there is always HTML & PDF
>
> Ah, yes, PDF, just about the only support for PostScript on
> Windozzzzzzz.
Are you really so ignorant, or are you playing?
How to handle postscript files in Windows.
http://www-pcs.fnal.gov/printing/pc-ps-print/
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/gsview/index.html
http://www.pdfzone.com/products/software/tool_PSAlter.html
http://www.pdfzone.com/products/software/tool_HTMLDOC.html
http://www.lincolnco.com/converters.htm
http://www.lincolnco.com/viewers.htm
http://www.rops.org/
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