Linux-Advocacy Digest #590, Volume #32 Thu, 1 Mar 01 23:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Amphetamine Bob)
Re: [OT] .sig (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: KDE Giant Killer? (anchorite)
Re: If I delete using rm? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Amphetamine Bob)
Re: My long signature (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS Price Strategy (was Microsoft Tax) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux? (J Sloan)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux? (J Sloan)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Bob Hauck)
Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux? ("Masha Ku'Inanna")
Re: So, here's something to chew on... (Ray Chason)
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From: Amphetamine Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:09:48 -0800
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On 1 Mar 2001 04:29:23 GMT, Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 00:43:46 GMT, Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> >>Who, exactly, is Microsoft's competition for that OEM license?
> >
> >Linux distributions, and other OS licenses go for around the same price.
>
> What is the Linux OEM price then? It isn't reasonable to compare the
> OEM price of one thing and the retail price of another. What's the OEM
> price of OS/2 or BeOS? To claim this you need to tell us what the
> prices are.
>
> >What I am doing is pointing out that game companies don't lower their
> >prices just because they're doing well. And they're not obliged to
> >do so.
>
> And what I am doing is pointing out that in a free market it is market
> conditions that determine what "fair" and "reasonable" mean. Anything
> else is really just an arbitrary judgement.
>
> >>I don't whine about the price of Windows, as I don't buy it. I do
> >>observe that the retail price has been quite constant in spite of the
> >>volume being much higher now than five or ten years ago. I can also
> >
> >My point is, so what ? The fact that they are succesful does not in any
> >way oblige them to reduce their prices.
>
> And I am *not* saying that. I am saying that you and I have no way of
> knowing what the price "would be" in a fair and competitive market.
> Maybe they could charge *more* for all I know. But in any case, your
> saying that the price is "reasonable" is fine and dandy, but the price
> has not been determined in the same way as prices of other products, so
> comparisons are specious.
>
> >>One could make a case that Windows is reasonably priced by some critera,
> >>which is apparently what you are doing, but how do you decide what's
> >>"reasonable" other thay via subjective things such as "I don't mind
> >>paying that much".
> >
> >Compare it with the price of other operating systems. It's in the same
> >ballpark.
>
> Ok, there's some logic to that. But since those other operating systems
> have such a tiny minority of the market, I can argue that Windows' price
> is pretty much independent of what the other guys charge except at the
> margins where the Windows fee becomes extortinate.
>
> >> I think a case can be made that it could potentially
> >>be cheaper if there were actual competition.
> >
> >$50- is already fairly cheap. I think you'd have a hard time making a
> >case that the sales increase resulting from further reduction in price
> >would justify the loss of per-sale revenue.
>
> Perhaps. But we can't know that, can we? In fact, we don't even know
> that $50 is the average price OEM's pay since OEM agreements are
> typically under NDA.
>
> All I wanted to do was point out that the "Linux zealots" aren't
> entirely mistaken. The market has been distorted and we can't know what
> the "fair" price really is. There's reason to think it could be lower.
>
If you buy enuf licenses, the price is about $60-80 per seat. By the
way, the price of OS/2 has come down very dramatically in the last 13
years....very dramatically....
--
Bob - shooting the bozo bit at 550 MHZ :). Wheeeeee! ;)
Microsoft "Tech Support".
1) Re-boot
2) Re-boot
3) Re-install all your software
4) Buy the new release (again)
5) Go to 1
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:09:17 -0500
Gergo Barany wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gergo Barany wrote:
> > > Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > At this point, there was a GREAT imbalance in forces (Russian + Serb
> > > > forces far outnumbered Bosnian forces).
> > >
> > > It was Austria (which Bosnia was part of at that time) that declared
> > > war, and they were very prepared, having sent an ultimatum to Serbia
> > > on July 23, five days earlier.
> >
> > But Serbia was unprepared for war.
>
> Serbia itself may not have been completely prepared, but they
> thought they could count on the Russians, and by extension on
> Britain and France. Their side was certainly prepared for war. You
> said yourself, "Russian + Serb forces far outnumbered Bosnian
> forces".
>
> > > > The level of preparedness of Austria, Germany, France, Italy,
> > > > Britain, US, etc. are of no consequence, because by the time they
> > > > got involved, the war was already started.
> > >
> > > As I stated above, Russia didn't get involved at the very beginning
> > > either. In fact, Germany (August 1) and Austria (August 6) declared
> > > war on Russia, not the other way round.
> >
> > Russia was already in before Germany got involved.
>
> Could you quote any sources? Mine are from history class, so they
> are not authoritative.
>
> > > > The ever-expanding nature of the war was due to treaty obligations,
> > > [snip]
> > > There were no treaties that caused Germany to overrun Belgium and
> > > Luxembourg, which were both neutral; they did it because they were
> >
> > Germany overran Belgium and Luxembourg were unprepared to keep
> > the Germans from doing just that....
>
> Yes, and because that was the quickest way to get to France. The
> keyword here is "neutral"; this part of the war was not due to
> treaty obligations.
Regardless...being unprepared was the primary reason why they
were overrun.
If Belgium and Luxumbourg were better prepared, the Germans
would have come up with SOME way to detour around them...
eiter that, or paid a higher price (and possibly modified
the Von Schliefen plan before re-using it in 1939).
>
> Gergo
>
> --
> "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..."
> -- Hunter S. Thompson
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (anchorite)
Subject: Re: KDE Giant Killer?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:10:15 GMT
On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 06:55:47 -0000, Ray Chason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (anchorite) wrote:
>
>>Green as grass after a spring sgower in linux but I had no problems
>>with making KDE do everything I wanted.
>>Now if the pppd was as easy.....and Lucents drivers would work on my
>>ol dell.
>
>You couldn't set up Kppp? If you have KDE 2.x, it's in the K menu:
>K|Internet|Internet Dialer.
>
>
>--
> --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
Note the reference to Lucent the probs note in Kppp it's that dang
Winmodem. Plus Dell is a GXM 5166 with built in 3com.
Weird things happen to the Kppp.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If I delete using rm?
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:16:48 -0500
Interconnect wrote:
>
> If I accidentally delete a subdirectory and files is there any way of
> recovering these in Linux. That is without resorting to the tape backups?
>
> Thanks for any hints or tips.
Only if you've replaced the standard rm with an idiot-proof one.
Although...I must say that in 18 years of using Unix, I've only
removed the wrong files once...and, well, that's why we have
backup tapes.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Amphetamine Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:18:57 -0800
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >> >
> > What is the Linux OEM price then? It isn't reasonable to compare the
> > OEM price of one thing and the retail price of another. What's the OEM
> > price of OS/2 or BeOS? To claim this you need to tell us what the
> > prices are.
> >
Sorry had to repost so it will make more sense.
If you buy enuf licenses, the price for OS/2 is about $60-80 per
seat. By the
way, the price of OS/2 has come down very dramatically in the last 13
years....very dramatically....
--
Bob - shooting the bozo bit at 550 MHZ :). Wheeeeee! ;)
Microsoft "Tech Support".
1) Re-boot
2) Re-boot
3) Re-install all your software
4) Buy the new release (again)
5) Go to 1
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My long signature
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:18:23 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Fuck you all
> : The signature will continue to grow at a rate of 1 user per day from now
> : on until you all get over it
>
> It's March 1st today. You wrote this on Feb 27th. Your sig file
I *DID* *NOT* WRITE THAT.
1) Check the path
> still only goes up to "K:" in your most recent posts I've read.
> Are you really serious about adding 365 new users to it per year?
> I'm calling your bluff. If you try the above, people will not
> "get over it", they will simply killfile you and you won't have anyone
> to play with.
Are you an idiot?
You have been trolled by meow/woof
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:20:51 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> I basically dislike Microsoft, and think their Windows operating
> systems range from shit (Win 98) to passable (Win 2000 on heavy
> hardware). The following link makes me sad that the idiocy
> continues:
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/02/28/010228hnvise.xml?p=br&s=3
>
> Partial quote:
>
> HE DOMINANCE OF Microsoft's Windows operating system, the centerpiece
> of the U.S. Department of Justice's antitrust case against the company, remains
> undisputed, according to research released Wednesday by IDC.
>
> Worldwide shipments of Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT Workstation,
> Windows 2000 Professional, and Windows Millennium Edition comprised 92
> percent of all client operating systems shipped last year, up from 89 percent the
> year before, said Al Gillen, research manager at IDC's operating environments
> program.
>
> Windows 98 shipments were up 36 percent over the prior year, while Windows 95
> shipments fell off dramatically, Gillen said. Overall, Microsoft Windows 9x and
> Windows Millennium Edition operating system shipments were up by 8 percent.
>
> Linux remains a bit player on the desktop with less than 2 percent market share,
> although that is a 25 percent jump from 1999, IDC's research shows. Linux also
> continues to garner backing from IT industry leaders, including IBM,
> Hewlett-Packard, and Dell Computer, all of which are shipping workstations and
> low-end servers with the Linux operating environment.
>
> End of quote.
>
> I'm not so worried about Linux "market share", since it says that it's
> PAID percentage is small. I'm more worried why Win 98, a piece of crap
> if there ever was one, has gone up in shipments.
Because purchasers are REJECTING Lose2k and LoseME
>
> Perhaps there are misleading numbers here. However, it looks like Microsoft
> is now coated with Teflon. Even their crap sells.
>
> Chris
>
> --
> [X] Check here to always trust content from Chris
> [ ] Check here if you're a dazed follower of Bill Gates
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: MS Price Strategy (was Microsoft Tax)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:22:34 -0500
Armando Ortiz wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> > WarpKat wrote:
> > >
> > > I've actually asked a full $180 (or whatever the cost of Windows currently
> > > is) to be deducted from a laptop that I had no intention of running Windows
> > > on. The sales person laughed at me. I hung up. 'nuff said.
> > >
> >
> > Better to talk to a supervisor, and inform said supervisor of
> > said order-taker's lack of customer service skills.
>
> Supervisors are glorified laugh-ats in customer service and have just about as
> much of a clue as a sack of wet mice.
Then you keep going up the food chain until you get the VP of Sales.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:25:28 GMT
Masha Ku'Inanna wrote:
> > Red Hat Linux is consistent, and easy to use. BSD is splintered into
> > several types of distributions:
>
> Besides, Red Hat is not Linux, nor is Corel "Linux" anymore than "Debian" is
> Linux. Linux is a kernel.
I was pulling an Erik on Erik, to illustrate the silliness
of his argument.
jjs
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:27:32 -0500
Barry Schwarz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:13:01 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >> An 8th grade education, history of antisocial behavior, and a three
> >> foot long criminal record?
> >
> >In the US Army, that's 2 reasons that will bar you from even being
> >able to enlist as a private.
> Since the army no longer requires a high school diploma, anti-social
Wrong. You *MUST* get your high school diploma, or complete
a GED before you go to AIT (Advanced Individual Training), which
is where you learn your particular MOS (Military Occupational Specialty).
> behavior is not recorded unless it is also illegal, and a criminal
> record is only one thing (and possibly irrelevant since neither
> traffic nor parking offenses are impediments to enlisting), what two
> did you have in mind?
A criminal record 3 feet long cannot be waivered away.
180 convictions, even class D misdemeanors, will be a bar to enlistment...
>
> <<Remove the del for email>>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:29:58 GMT
Masha Ku'Inanna wrote:
> FreeBSD is developed by a single team of developers, including the kernel,
> whereas Linux is a trademark of a single person, and the kernel is
> completely under the guidance and control of that single person. OpenBSD is
> a spinoff of NetBSD (if I have my facts straight) that has focused on
> security, and has gone through a complete source code audit, and regularly
> audits its source code. BSDi is the commercial side of the BSD world, these
> days.
Yes, quite true -
> But as far as splintering is concerned, if I may offer the following
>
> From Linux.org....In order as appears on their site:
> BestLinux, BlueCat, Caldera, Connectiva, Corel, Debian/Gnu, Dragon, Easy,
> Elfstone, Genrus, Hard Hat, Icepack, Linux Antarctica, Libranet, Mandrake,
> LinuxOne, LinuxPPC, Linux Pro, LinuxWare, LuteLinux, MaxOS&Trade, MKLinux,
> Platinum, Progeny Debian, RedHat, Redmond Linux, Rock Linux, RT-Linux,
> Slackware, Sphinx, Stampede, Storm, SuSE, TurboLinux, Yellow Dog, Yggdrasil.
>
> And then there are the mini/specialty distributions:
> Armed Linux, Astaro Security Linux, Coyote, Chainsaw, DOS Linux, File Print
> & CD Server Linux, KYZO, FlightLinux, Grey CAt, hal91 Floppy Linux, Immunix
> OS, JB, Linux Embedded, Monkey Linux, Peanut, Phat, Pygmy, ThinLinux, TINY
> Linux, tomsrbt, Trustix Secure Linux, White Dwarf, WinLinux2000, Whole
> Linux, ZipHam.
>
> If BSD is splintered, what would you call Linux? Sawdust?
Of course this is true, but completely irrelevant to the original
statement: "Red Hat Linux is consistent and stable, while bsd
is splintered into multiple fragments".
I could also say "Caldera eDesktop 2.4 is consistent and stable,
while windows is splintered into multiple fragments" e.g. win 3.x,
wfw 3.11, win95, win98 wince, winme winnt 3.x, winnt 4.x, win 2k....
These make as much sense as Erik's argument that "FreeBSD
is stable and consistent, while Linux is splintered into multiple
distributions".
Get it?
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:43:41 GMT
On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:14:27 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I never saw one post from him that wasn't insulting. Other
> people have responded and debated the facts, but he never once
> attempted to talk intelligently.
And of those who debated the facts, how many did you respond to? I
think the answer is...none. You appear to have decided that anyone who
disagrees with your "analysis" is involved in the "coverup".
> And even the people that responded to the facts I posted attempted to
> somehow discredit the vulnerabilities posted on Bugtraq.
No, they said that the vulnerabilities are very difficult to exploit in
practice, next to impossible over most Internet links. They said that
some versions of ssh software are not vulnerable, and that there was a
fix for others. They also said that there are no documented breakins
attributable to these flaws.
These are not script-kiddie flaws. There are lots of easier ways to
break into a computer.
People who know SSH inside and out attempted to debate the facts, using
facts, and you ignored them because their response didn't fit your
agenda. You persisted in using the phrase "vulnerabilities in February
alone", apparently in an attempt to discredit SSH, after you had been
told time and time again that the list you had was the _complete_ list,
not just February.
> They said they're patched, great, but what about the many people out
> there that are still using the "fundamentally flawed" SSH1 protocol.
What should the OpenSSH people do? Go door to door to see if anyone is
still using ssh1, just in case the NSA tries to hack their system?
The information has been widely published in the usual security-related
places. It is not difficult to find, and anyone who follows normal
security procedures would know about it. People who don't read the
usual mailing lists or sign up for vendor announce lists are not much
concerned about security, I would think. Should someone be assigned to
hold their hand?
> They seem to be completely oblivious to SSH.com's warnings
> and demands.
The demands are over a trademark issue and have nothing to do with any
vulnerabilities. I told you this already. Per your usual MO, you did
not respond.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux?
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:50:12 -0500
Reply-To: "Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I was pulling an Erik on Erik, to illustrate the silliness
> of his argument.
*grins*
waiting for the inevitable snootery?
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So, here's something to chew on...
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 03:57:20 -0000
"Joel Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you actually need help with a W2k problem you might try
>alt.os.windows2000. Of course, if all you are saying is "I know how to do
>something in *nix, I don't know how to do it in W2k, therefore W2k sucks", I
>guess you came to the right place.
But isn't Windoze supposed to be the OS that doesn't require you to RTFM?
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--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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