Linux-Advocacy Digest #663, Volume #30 Tue, 5 Dec 00 11:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Java? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Why Java? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux is awful (Uncle Fester)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Tim Smith)
Re: Linux is awful ("Veloct")
Re: Microsoft Light Bulb Part 2 ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux is awful (Uncle Fester)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Tim Smith)
Take a conglomeration of copper and silicon and make it useful (westprog 2000)
Re: Linux is awful (Uncle Fester)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux is awful (Uncle Fester)
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux ("Adam Ruth")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Bill Vermillion)
Re: .The beauty of open source ("Tom Wilson")
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Java?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:32:19 +0000
Donn Miller wrote:
> I don't see how Java being a proprietary product of Sun should be all
> that bad. It's based on a non-proprietary language, C++. Plus, my
> experience with Java programming has helped me understand C++ better,
> which isn't proprietary. I know there are differences, but they are
> also very similar, too!
The most important feature of Java for many applications is the way
that it allows the embedding of untrusted code inside another
application without enormous performance penalties. This is of very
great interest in the "internet-enabled" application market, true,
but this is because there are many apps there which are security-
sensitive, and the classic UNIX technique (based on user accounts and
processes) doesn't scale quite as well as you'd hope (the main problem
actually being application startup time.)
Java's quite nice for doing ordinary procedural programming too, due
to its comprehensible and well-documented standard library, and the
fact that many of the most objectionable parts of C++ are removed.
(Having a single-rooted class hierarchy and no multiple-inheritance of
implementations or operator overloading makes life much easier and the
code much more maintainable - those features are just too easily abused
in practise.) It's a shame Java lacks enumerations and generics...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Name me one elf who wants to go to Blackpool after he dies.
-- Raymond E. Feist on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Java?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:38:48 +0000
mlw wrote:
> Not nearly as efficient or as fast as C++. It is a proprietary API to a
> proprietary interpreter.
Much safer though; you can't really have multiple security domains in
a single process with C++. Not unless one of the domains is 100%
interpreted, of course. And you dismiss security concerns at your
peril...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Name me one elf who wants to go to Blackpool after he dies.
-- Raymond E. Feist on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:47:47 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure Bill Gates doesn't give him a second thought.<g>
> >
> > Rush is loud, obnoxious, pompous, opinionated and , more often than not,
> > absolutely right in what he says.
>
> I've spent quite a lot of time writing code in a lab at our client's
> site. In this lab is a radio which is tuned incessantly to talk
> radio. I have heard more of Rush's pompous, stentorian, fist-pounding
> bloviating than I would have thought I could endure. And I have yet
> to hear him say something that did not induce in my head the most
> fearsome cognitive dissonance, as if I were listening to a space
> alien lecturing about Earth's coming takeover.
The trick is to filter out the dramatics. Personally, I can tolerate him for
no longer than five minutes at a stretch. Then, I have to get up and pop an
old VanHalen disc into the CD. Nothing helps you churn out code like classic
VH! Devo and Rush (The band, that is) are good too. Oh yeah, A Bunn loaded
with fresh Kona coffee...gotta have that!
>
> Even when he says something based on a fact, the implications he
> draws are absurd.
That's the key. Just take what he says and try to verify it. You'll be
surprised. I sure as hell know I was! As I said above, when he gets to be
too much, crank up some loud guitars!
>
> And they wonder why my code has bugs!!!!!!!!
My fianc�e has this annoying habit of nibbling on my ear and talking dirty
whenever I'm programming. She's a mixed blessing at times ;)
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
>
> Chris
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From: Uncle Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:50:52 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:w0ZW5.32678$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:vMXW5.1336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > What about installing TrueType Fonts? Dozens of steps in Linux, while
> > it's
> > > just a matter of dragging them to your font folder in Windows.
> >
> > I take it you haven't used a recent RedHat or Mandrake?
>
> In fact I am using a recent Mandrake, but I can't get the accelerated x
> server to work.
Most normal & supported cards are a breeze to configure on install.
What card you got??
>
> How exactly DO you install those TrueType fonts?
Never heard of DrakFont, eh? <yawn...>
--
Chuck Kandler
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 5 Dec 2000 06:45:51 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My point is that vi seems to be unique in its default "every letter
>is a command" design approach. That uniqueness is what makes vi
>not intuitive. I did ask whether there are any other screen editors
>that use that design approach, besides vi clones, of course (such as
>elVIs or steVIe), but so far nobody has mentioned any, so I have no
>reason to change my statement about vi's uniqueness in that regard.
If you want to get pedantic, emacs is that way, also, but the command
bound to each letter is the command to insert that letter into the text,
so you don't notice you are running a command. :-)
If you don't limit yourself to screen editors, then most old editors used
that approach. E.g., teco, ed, qed. I think vi was aimed at people who
used such editors.
When I edit a document with vi, my mental state is that I am using vi.
When I edit a document using a good GUI editor, my mental state is that
I am working on my document. That's pretty unclear...basically, with a
good GUI editor, the document somehow seems to be the focus, whereas
with vi, the editor is the focus. (If anyone understands what I'm
trying to say, and can restate it more clearly and coherently, please
jump in!)
--Tim Smith
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From: "Veloct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:57:32 GMT
Wow, lot of rudes comments on this thread. I notice there is a lot of folks
that have this windows "bigotry". I run both win98 and linux and I can run
either one for weeks without a reboot. I agree windows software is as good
as a McDonald's burger but geez, if you know what to do with either OS it'll
run like a charm.
--
Veloct
---
"Uncle Fester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:w0ZW5.32678$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:vMXW5.1336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > What about installing TrueType Fonts? Dozens of steps in Linux,
while
> > > it's
> > > > just a matter of dragging them to your font folder in Windows.
> > >
> > > I take it you haven't used a recent RedHat or Mandrake?
> >
> > In fact I am using a recent Mandrake, but I can't get the accelerated x
> > server to work.
>
>
> Most normal & supported cards are a breeze to configure on install.
> What card you got??
>
>
> >
> > How exactly DO you install those TrueType fonts?
>
>
> Never heard of DrakFont, eh? <yawn...>
>
> --
> Chuck Kandler
>
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
>
> Registered Linux User #180746
> http://counter.li.org
>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Light Bulb Part 2
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:54:44 +0000
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> All of this discussion about Microsoft renting apps with .NET
> got me to thinking...what are we facing if, in fact, Microsoft
> does start renting apts???
[...]
You have *waaaay* too much time on your hands. Surely you could try
writing a new application for Linux in the time it took to write up
that little document? Still, I liked it very much! :^)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Name me one elf who wants to go to Blackpool after he dies.
-- Raymond E. Feist on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:06:47 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ch6X5.2348$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9u%W5.619$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:04:44 GMT,
> > > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The sad part is, the legal system WAS designed to handle crybaby
> > losers
> > > >> > like Gore, however, the Gore lawyers, the almost entirely
Democrat
> > > >> > controlled election system in Florida, and 7 Democratic
activists --
> > er
> > > >> > -- FL Supreme Court Justices managed to ursurp the Constitutional
> > election
> > > >> > power from the FL legislature and make a mockery of the Rule of
Law.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But then, this is nothing new for the Democrats, take the
> > Impeachment.
> > > >> > Clinton and Gore are bullet proof. Laws do not apply to them, so
they
> > > >> > can bend it and stretch it to however they see fit. It's
unfortunate
> > > >> > that there are so many willing accomplices willing to throw
> > conscience
> > > >> > to the wind and do whatever he says no matter the Constitutional
> > > >> > ramifications.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The really, really sad part is, the American public is too
ignorant
> > to
> > > >> > understand it, let alone get angered about it. A large portion of
> > them
> > > >> > think Hilary is right when she wants to do away with the
electoral
> > college.
> > > >> > If it were her druthers, she'd abolish the Constitution all
together.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd stop listening to AM radio if I were you. Start reading
> > newspapers.
> > > >> Find some good history books. Start looking into the shenanigans
of
> > > >> your own party.
> > > >
> > > >Can you so blindly dismiss the truth?
> > > >
> > > >Can you not see what is going on, or what has gone on? Unfortunately,
you
> > > >are one of the ignorant Americans I was referring to. You seem fit to
> > > >dismiss the obvious because it's not something you want to be
confronted
> > > >with. Please note I'm not attacking you personally, or calling you
stupid
> > > >or anything like that. I'm just saying that there are many people out
> > there
> > > >too busy to be concerned with how their government is being
> > systematically
> > > >overturned right under their noses.
> > > >
> > > >It wasn't three days after Hillary was elected and she wanted to
change
> > > >the Constitution. There is a pattern here...
> > > >
> > > >-Chad
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Boy! It's very cold out there today!
> > >
> > > Ah, I have to agree with Chad. We need to put Al Gore on the moon
> > > with a 30 minute supply of air for the crap he's pulled this last
> > > few days. Further, we need to wipe out the Democrat party and
> > > start one which actually represents the middle class.
> > >
> > > My message to the Republicans is, WHERE'S MY TAX BREAK!!!!
> >
> > The ecomomy is tanking....You won't see it i'm afraid.
>
> Hmm... you might be suprised. A large (not huge like was promised)
> tax cut would spurn the economy and perhaps jump-start and stave off
> the recession for a little while, at least.
It would be temporary at best. The DotCom nonsense is coming back to bite a
healthy chunk out of some deserving asses. That kind of extreme speculation
was going on in 1929...until the bubble burst. Its' all well and good to bet
on discovering the next AT&T or IBM, but hell, look at the business plan
first! Will they actually MAKE money? The only IPO I saw during that stretch
that I thought had a chance was, and don't laugh, Martha Stewart! She
actually MAKES MONEY! On top of that, with the energy costs are going up and
Al Gore's dick-size war with the Republicans isn't helping.
>
> By the way, I hope no one believed the Algore, Vice Perpetrator, when
> he lied and said that Bush's plan only benefited the top 1%. That was
> furthest from the truth. Families making under $30,000 a year get a
> 100% tax cut.
Well aware of that!
I make it a matter of principal to take a Democrat's assessment of ANYTHING
with a grain of salt.
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
>
> -Chad
>
>
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From: Uncle Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:08:31 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Oh, you mean like installing nvidia drivers for your TNT card. That's a
> needlessly complex task under Linux, and a matter of a few automated steps
> in Win2k.
Complex?? Card should have been detected on install. Otherwise,
there's HowTo's all over the net on just about everything. Plenty of
good Man pages as well. ;-)
>
> Or how about turning on ultra DMA? Windows will often figure out if the
> drive supports it and enable it. If it doesn't, it's a matter of right
> clicking the drive in device manager and changing a dropdown box. With
> Linux, it's figuring out a 20 parameter long hdparm string and figuring out
> where in the startup scripts to put it.
You act as though you have to do this all the time or something. Sit
down *once* for a few minutes & get it all figured out & you're good to
go. Unless you can't bear to take time out from your favorite video
game in order to learn something.
You also left out a step here for Windows. Don't forget the REBOOT...
>
> What about installing TrueType Fonts? Dozens of steps in Linux, while it's
> just a matter of dragging them to your font folder in Windows.
DrakFont.
>
> How about setting your monitor refresh rate?
It's done when you set up your X server. Or run KVideoGen, among a
whole slew of progs. including Xconfigurator. Better yet, just manually
edit one line in your XF86Config file.
>
> That's just off the top of my head, I can list dozens of tasks that are much
> much harder under Linux than Win 2000. Which tasks are easier under Linux?
No-brain systems are for no-brain users. ;-)
--
Chuck Kandler
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 5 Dec 2000 06:56:27 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:37:29 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> You shouldn't be. His example doesn't represent proof for a power
>> switch not being intuitive.
>
>Then please provide a COGENT differing explanation.
The problem with your example is that a similar example can be used to
disprove the intuitiveness of pretty much everything except how to turn
off an alarm clock.
--Tim Smith
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From: westprog 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Take a conglomeration of copper and silicon and make it useful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:04:44 GMT
In article <Ql0W5.217$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "westprog 2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:908a58$4rf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <pBmV5.3637$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> > Personally, I would not let anyone near assembler until they have
> > developed good coding practices.
> Good code practices are not language dependant.
Bad coding practices are, however. There are a lot of mistakes which
will be caught by the compiler, or the VM in some languages, but which
will run happily in assembler.
> >If someone who knows Basic is taught
> > assembler, by the time he learns an appropriate language, the bad
> > habits will be thoroughly engrained.
> And are just as easily corrected
I disagree. Habits are hard to eradicate.
> when one is presented a situation that
> DEMANDS good habits. Being bitten in the ass a few times tends to
> drill the point home.
But many programming faults do not bite you in the ass immediately.
Sometimes you can fix them by using a logical patch.
Example - a novice programmer runs one past the end of an array (uses a
<= instead of a <). The correct fix should be in the guard for the loop
- but increasing the size of the array by one will work just as well.
> >Someone who knows how to program
> > properly can be taught the techniques of assembly (or machine code)
> > programming without much harm. One does not start driving lessons by
> > dismantling the engine.
> As I said before, code practices are not language dependant.
Nor are they intuitive, or picked up by trial and error.
> As for the engine analogy, it doesn't apply. Programmers are not
> trained to
> "drive". Driving is their end user's job. A programmer's job is to
> take a
> conglomeration of copper and silicon and make it useful for more than
> taking
> up deskspace.
No, the programmers job is to specify how data is to be extracted from
a table. It is the job of the copper and silicon to take the
programmers instructions and execute them.
> To do that effectively requires more than a passing
> aquaintance with the "engine".
In almost every case, it does not. Even writing device drivers needs
only a knowlege of the interface to the hardware being written to.
What is needed is a knowlege of the underlying virtual machine. This
might be Windows, Unix, the C RTL, the JVM, or some combination.
> If a programmer wishes his/her efforts to be multi-platform. this low-
> level knowledge is a must.
> The sooner the "box" is de-mystified, the better.
The learner programmer should be thinking about one thing - the
program. Worrying about the box it will possibly run on should be left
for later.
> > Ideally, trainee programmers wouldn't be let near a computer for
> > their first six months.
> I have to disagree there. Hands on is the ONLY way to learn. Theory is
> little more than trivia until it is applied.
What programmers need to do when they start is to write programs, and
to read them, and to see whether they will work or not. The easy
availability of computing equipment has made the code/debug/fix cycle
far too easy.
My first programming job was on a lathe. There is quite an incentive to
get it right first time under those circumstances.
--
J/
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Uncle Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:11:41 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> >
> > How about setting your monitor refresh rate?
>
> Not even an option under MS LoseDOS, so why are you bringing this up?
Sorry. Gotta call you on this one. You sure can.
--
Chuck Kandler
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:18:19 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:t8NW5.11238$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Charlie Ebert wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And I agree with your comments. The Democrats haven't supported
> > > > > the middle class in 20 or more years.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have become a nation of extremist parties.
> > > > > You are either extreme rightwing or your extreme leftwing and
> > > > > the middle ground where most of us stand is not being represented.
> > > > >
> > > > > This in itself is an extremely dangerous thing.
> > > >
> > > > Ya damn liberal! <grin>
> > > >
> > > > "Liberal" now is as bad as "Commie" used to be! What a world!
> > >
> > > When you get down to it, what's the difference between them, other
> > > than the spelling?
> >
> > Actually, liberals are more socialist than communist. But, let's no
split
> > hairs, eh?
>
> Communism ***IS**** Socialism.
With a key difference:
so�cial�ism n. 1.a. A social system in which the means of producing and
distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised
by the whole community. b. The theory or practice of those who support such
a social system. 2. The building of the material base for communism under
the dictatorship of the proletariat in Marxist-Leninist theory.
com�mu�nism n. 1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the
collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the
common advantage of all members. 2. Communism.a. A system of government in
which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often
authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher
social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. b. The
Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow
of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
Socialism is anarchy as practiced by flower-children.
Communism is socialism under a single, authoritarian rule.
Note: I said LIBERALS are socialists....Add the Democratic Party and what do
you get????
--
Tom Wilson
A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Uncle Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:19:34 GMT
Veloct wrote:
>
> Wow, lot of rudes comments on this thread. I notice there is a lot of folks
> that have this windows "bigotry". I run both win98 and linux and I can run
> either one for weeks without a reboot. I agree windows software is as good
> as a McDonald's burger but geez, if you know what to do with either OS it'll
> run like a charm.
>
I personally don't mean to come off that way, but I detect here a person
that's more spoiling for a fight than truly looking for some help. I
telling him enough to get him going, but anyone that uses that kind of
tone should expect some sharply worded replies. I'm not a mean
person.... really.
--
Chuck Kandler
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org
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From: "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:18:12 -0700
You are truly a miracle worker.
"tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:fG_W5.116$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Not one of my production servers has been down (except when some moron
> leaned on the emergency power shut-off shutting power off for the entire
> computer room). Like I said in another post I have (or should I say I
> forgot) that I had a customer thats never once rebooted their server and
its
> been running for more then 3 years straight.....
>
>
> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90ev5j$14ie$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Just out of curiosity. What the current best uptime of the NT/2000
boxes
> > under your control? I'd really like to know. Honestly, I can believe
my
> > experiences may atypical. What you're experience?
>
>
>
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:46:19 GMT
In article <rl2X5.13214$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Steve Mading writes:
>> Vi's only crime here is being unique.
>Uniqueness breeds non-intuitiveness. I haven't said whether that is
>good or bad.
vi was good. Having the ability to see all the lines on the screen
instead of one line, and being able to move onto a word to delete
it instead of .s/old-word/new-word/ was so much better. The first
system I used had only ed, but I got my regexs down prety good.
In those days on a new system it was ed or vi [and it's friends
view and ex]
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .The beauty of open source
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:28:50 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Milton wrote:
> >
> > http://linux.com/news/newsitem.phtml?sid=1&aid=11337
> >
> > "And what do we make? Software for those who grew up with
> > computers. Software for people who hate wizards, and plug and play,
> > and lack of control. Software for people who can see the beauty of a
> > properly working system. We make software for people who love
> > choice. We make software that works, even when hardware
> > manufacturers won't pony up the documentation, even when we have
> > to reverse engineer things that should be publicly available, we make
> > it happen."
> >
> > "We wished it so hard that, one day, it just came true."
> >
> > That sure as hell looks like a .sig to me.
> >
> > Linux -> We wished it so hard that, one day, it just came true.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Linux -> We MADE THE EFFORT, so that one day, it came true.
Good one!
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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