Linux-Advocacy Digest #230, Volume #31            Wed, 3 Jan 01 23:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Bob Hauck)
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Bob Hauck)
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Bob Hauck)
  Re: Why Hatred? (Bob Hauck)
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Bob Hauck)
  Re: Could only... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Les Mikesell")
  Re: Why Hatred? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
  Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: OEditors: Xedit vs. vi or emacs ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Uptimes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:43:43 GMT

On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:29:44 GMT, Giuliano Colla
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I'm not living in the US and I'm not very familiar with US
>Constitution. So I have a question:

>Because according the legal systems I'm used to, a ruling is
>usually made taking into account ALL the laws, not just one.

That's the general idea, yes.


>And if following the saying of one law, in one specific
>instance, is not in accordance with other laws, then a
>decision is taken which may be in contrast with that law,
>usually with reference with higher authority, like the
>Constitution.

Yes, courts may rule that a law is unconstitutional or that it is
superseded by a higher authority (e.g. Federal vs State law or State law
vs a city ordinance).

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:43:44 GMT

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 04:18:51 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Have you ever used the Windows console, (Not the MSDOS prompt)?
>
>All the functionality is there of bash, and if not provided by the console
>interface, then by console apps.

You can write scripts with named subroutines?  Do simple math from the
command line?  Paste the output of a command into a variable
(e.g. list=$(dir))?  Use globbing patterns (list=$(dir *.{foo,bar}))?
Use real flow control (for i in $list; echo $i; done)?  Wow, tell us
where all this is documented!

You can, of course, get bash for NT if you'd like to try a real shell.

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:43:47 GMT

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:45:55 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>NT has always had tab completion, it's just not turned on by default.

That's probably because it does brain-damaged things.  For instance, it
takes the first completion it finds instead of giving a list and asking
for more input.  It also replaces what was typed with a fully-qualified
path, which is fairly annoying.


>As usual, you Linux advocates don't know what you're talking about when it
>comes to what you criticize.

Really?

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:43:49 GMT

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:13:32 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> ActiveX has been in use for the last 4 years, and it hasn't proven to
> be the >huge security threat everyone likes to moan about.

Largely because hardly anybody uses it outside of MS-sponsored demo
sites. 

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:43:46 GMT

On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 05:56:24 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>But (a) you can't do that from the command prompt over telnet, and
>(b) those instructions are all about pointing and clicking.  There is
>a command line command, but it is useless if you can't find it.

What you do is try misspellings of Linux commands (e.g. ipconfig, tracert)
until something works 8->

-- 
 -| Bob Hauck
 -| To Whom You Are Speaking
 -| http://www.haucks.org/

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:44:15 -0500

kiwiunixman wrote:
> 
> Mainfreight = Freighting Company
> Hubbards Foods = Cereal Manufacturer
> Warehouse = Retail Chain
> Fisher and Paykel = White ware manufacturing
> 
> I have met the CEOs of all three companies, and they are genuinely nice
> blokes.   These business are not highly technical, and the employees
> (not to offend any), require little or no skills, yet they are still
> treated like people who matter.  All of them (CEO's) are down on the
> production floor encouraging their employees.  Hubbards one year, to
> celebrate 10 years of business flew everyone (incl. family of the
> employees included) to a holiday destination of there choice (with in
> reason), now that is real partnership between management and employees.
> With the mega bucks IBM earns I think they can afford to offer an olive
> branch to their employees.  Remember, Happy employees are productive
> employees.

Precisely.

Poor management-employee relations brings it's own special reward...
        Bankruptcy.

This is why intrusive government policies "forcing" management to be
"nice" to employees is backwards.

In any free society, employees ALREADY have the upper hand on management...
it's the freedom to leave for a better job at any time.


> 
> kiwiunixman
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> 
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> >> I don't understand all this shit that happens in the US. Here in New
> >> Zealand there is a gradual move towared business being more socially
> >> responsible. Some case examples would be the Warehouse, Hubbards Foods,
> >> Mainfreight, all highly sucessfull business focused on profit AND people.
> >
> >
> > Practically every socialist policy mandated by the US government was
> > FIRST offered (as an attractive incentive) by the large corporations here.
> >
> > The difference is volountarily offering carrots, to attract better
> > employees, versus being beaten over the stick by government busy-bodies
> > who have never had to meet a payroll month after month, year after year.
> >
> >
> >
> >> kiwiunixman
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> kiwiunixman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Overly simplistic and xenaphobic to say the least. Posters/Readers, goto:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_324000/324871.asp
> >>>>
> >>>> and read some of the comments.  Society in American thinks different
> >>>> when compared to the societies in other countries.  Although these types
> >>>> of things are common in the US, where I live (New Zealand), we as a
> >>>> country would be horrified, and this issue would have been put on the
> >>>> top of the list for parliamentry discussion and law reform. I also find
> >>>> it rather ammusing that so many countries see America as the symbol of
> >>>> democracy, yet, the government is controlled, not by the people, but by
> >>>> minority special interest groups using their money and influence to sway
> >>>> decisions regarding laws to suite their agenda, and large corperations
> >>>> funding parties (such as the Republicans) to influence the outcome of a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That's a myth.  The Democrats are in bed with corporate America FAR
> >>> more than the Republicans.
> >>>
> >>> Republicans do a lot to preserve the rights of SMALL businesses
> >>> AGAINST the plutocratic ways of "big business".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here's a general rule of thumb....WHATEVER the Democrats accuse
> >>> the Republicans of doing...you can guarantee that the Democrats
> >>> are 10x to 100x as guilty of the same offense....much like the
> >>> preacher who constantly harps on and on about adultery while
> >>> secretly running around on his wife.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> trial, aka Microsoft vs. the DOJ.  Before anything regarding gun law
> >>>> reform happens, the whole legal and political system needs and absolute
> >>>> overhall, esp. in the area of electing people to parliament/office.
> >>>> Until these minority interest groups and corperations stay out of
> >>>> politics and get back to what they should be doing, and that getting on
> >>>> with life and running their business ethnically and legally, reforms in
> >>>> necessary areas to protect innocent citizens will never be passed.
> >>>>
> >>>> kiwiunixman
> >>>>
> >>>> worldviewer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Could only happen in America:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-4277328.html?tag=st.ne.1002.bgif.ni
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.zfree.co.nz
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
> >>>> Naked Gun 33 1/3
> >>>>
> >>>> "Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
> >>>> Naked Gun 33 1/3
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> Unix Programmer:
> >>>>
> >>>> "If it an't broken, don't fix it"
> >>>>
> >>>> Microsoft Programmer:
> >>>>
> >>>> "If it an't broken and working perfectly, then there must be a problem"
> >>>


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:46:53 GMT


"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92vara$i8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:kWy46.53665$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Yes there is a list of commands, but they don't have much to do with
> > administering the machine.  Where do I find the command that would
> > add or remove an ip addresses for example.  There is one, but where
> > do I find it and it's documentation?
>
> ipconfig

Let me try again.  Where do I find this command and it's documentation,
unless you meant to imply that the correct way to find out about this
hidden functionality is to ask on usenet?  Where are the on-line
manual pages for this new stuff?

       Les Mikesell
         [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:54:33 -0600

"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 3 Jan 2001
> >"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Microsoft gets an idea, implements it, then 6 months down the track
find
> >> out (after several hacking/cracking incidents) that there is a security
> >> hole.  One of Microsofts think-tank ideas that is now the biggest
> >> security threat, ActiveX!  Unix however, gets an idea, tests it, tests
> >> it and tests it.  If there is a chance of even the slightest security
> >> hole, it goes back to the drawing, and not implements until it is
> >> secure. Hence, things take longer, but the end quality is superior to
> >> Microsofts think-tank projects.
> >
> >ActiveX has been in use for the last 4 years, and it hasn't proven to be
the
> >huge security threat everyone likes to moan about.  Nobodies credit card
> >numbers have been stolen, nobodies personal files have been uploaded
> >anywhere.  Any security issues that have arisen have been fixed (much
like
> >the Java security issues have been fixed).
>
> Recently posted on alt.fan.bill-gates:

Almost all of those exploits are not related to ActiveX.  The ones that are
were fixed because they were bugs.

Big deal.





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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:50:04 -0500

kiwiunixman wrote:
> 
> <snype>
> 
> > I don't know about that.  I used to think that e-commerce was largely
> > becomming a farce, but then I found out my mother booked her latest
> > holiday over the internet and I have just bought a load of upgrades.
>
> e-commerce is a conjob, plain and simple.  I can understand an investor,

No...just need to know what the hell you're doing.

In the last 4 years, EVERY vacation I've taken (all overseas) I've
booked EVERYTHING by computer.  I frequently get books from Amazon
and Barnes & Noble by computer.  (Strangely, when I want to buy computer
books, I want to be able to flip through the thing before buying it...
but some things, I really don't care....I'm looking more for variety
which is offered by e-commerce...such as finding untranslated Russian
texts to supplement my other learning materials.


The problem with most e-commerce ventures was that the looked at the
computer as a panacea, and never really built a solid business plan.

Amazon.com is right on the edge...if they can get their S&H costs
down, they will make it.


> investing money into Telecom New Zealand as, with its 2 large
> acquisitions (AAPT) and very soon Australia's Cable and Wireless Mobile
> Division, once that is made, they will be pulling in around (in total)
> 1.5Billion a year profit, so looking at $4.93 a share is a bargain when
> the goods start rolling in.  Compare that to Amazon that just wasted 200
> million on an investment in pet.com, Mr Bezos = Mr Bozo!   Mind you,
> that is what happens when there are too many idiots in the market...the
> NYSE and NASDAQ will eventually come to a crash and finally get to a
> level of realism, Japans had its correction in the early 1990's and New
> Zealand had its correction in 1987, now its Americas turn.
> 
> kiwiunixman


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: OEditors: Xedit vs. vi or emacs
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:53:08 -0500

Gary Hallock wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> 
> > Gary Hallock wrote:
> >
> >
> > >  I thought vi sucked.
> >
> > This is why you fail...
> >
> > Can't recognize superior technology.
> 
> In my opinion, xedit is superior to vi.
> 
> >
> >
> > >   Talk
> > > about bad defaults!  The arrow keys didn't work.  You had to use j, k, etc to 
>move around.   It
> >
> > Keeping your hands on the keyboard is a bad thing now?
> 
> It is not intuitive.

NOTHING is intuitive....especially computers and software.



>   Using the arrow keys is obvious.   Using j,k,h,l makes no sense.     Oh,

using hjkl takes about 1 hour to learn, but pays off in spades in
increased productivity.

> wait, I could RTFM!  But then that would go against
> your apparent philosophy that you should be able to use an editor without reading 
>the manual.    You
> loose.
> 
> And what about when you are  in insert mode?    Or if you mistype and hit i instead 
>of k?

Hit escape.

> 
> >
> >
> > > came up in command mode.  I want to edit the file.  Why must I type Esc-I to 
>edit?   Half the
> >
> > you don't..you just type 'i' or 'I' or 'a' or 'A' or 'o' or 'O'
> >
> > how horrible...6 seperate options.
> 
> Oh joy!   Just makes it that more likely that I will enter insert mode while moving 
>the cursor.
> 
> >
> >
> > > time I
> > > couldn't get it to insert characters properly.
> >
> > Evidently, millions of users have more intelligence than you.
> >
> 
> I know how to RTFM, unlike you.
> 
> >
> > >  The other half it would insert but not allow me
> > > to delete or overlay characters.   Note that this
> > > was vi, not vim.   And the fact that it had no Rexx macro support.
> >
> > awwwwwwwwww pooor baby.
> >
> > Clue, the world does NOT revolve around REXX.
> 
> Rexx makes a powerful macro processor.  But if you don't like Rexx, you can write 
>xedit macros in
> C.  I'll bet you didn't know that.
> 
> >
> >
> > >  No ALL command.
> >
> > Yes, there is.
> >
> > :s/bad pattern/new text/g
> >
> > /g indicates GLOBAL REPLACEMENT
> 
> Now you are just embarrassing yourself.    I said ALL, not c/bad pattern/new text/*. 
>  Do you have
> any idea what ALL does?
> 
> >
> >
> > > For a
> > > while, I got so frustrated that I just ended up uploading the file I wanted to 
>edit to CMS,
> > > using xedit, and then downloading the file.
> > >
> > > You have only provided one reason for hating xedit - a default which you think 
>is wrong, but
> >
> > Indicative of the lack of planning and foresight by the people who write and 
>maintain it.
> >
> 
> Please, tell us, how would you do it differently?   Ot better yet, try porting vi to 
>work with a
> 3270.
> 
> >
> > > which has been explained to you is a result of the
> > > limitation of the 3270 hardware.   Yet you used xedit all that time, hating 
>every moment, and
> > > never bothered to crack the manual or ask someone.  I would agree that the 3270 
>has problems.
> > > That has been the general consensus within IBM for years.   But that is the 
>hardware, not
> > > xedit.   By the way, I tried running xedit without my profile (to get the 
>default behavior) and
> > > could not reproduce the problem.   Insert worked perfectly.  This may be because 
>I no longer
> > > have access to a real 3270 so I use x3270 from AIX.
> > >
> > > Gary
> 
> Interesting how you totally ignored the fact the the problem you are whining about 
>DOES NOT EXIST on
> x3270.

But it DOES exist on ACTUAL 3270 terminals....



> 
> Gary


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:54:19 -0500

Gary Hallock wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Why should I need a MANUAL to use a damn terminal????
> >
> > Again.....the very notion that one should need a manual for a terminal
> > is indicative of the sorry level of programming standards at IBM.
> >
> 
> Now you are just being dense.   You do not have to read the 3270 manual to
> use a 3270 or to use xedit.

Notice how Gary snipped the part where I was chastised for not
having read the 3270 manual.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:56:36 -0500

Peter K�hlmann wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> 
> > Peter K�hlmann wrote:
> > >
> > > JSPL wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > Thanks for the decode, but according to Netcraft, they actually base
> > > > > their identification of OS on packet characteristics, not on the
> > > > > information provided by the web server.
> > > >
> > > > Come on, how stupid do you think people are? It's derived from the
> > > > http header not some secret "packet characteristic".
> > >
> > > well, do you know how nmap finds out about the operating system?
> > > It does it without HTTP headers, it solely relies on the characteristics
> > > of the TCPIP-stack in question.
> > > And the developers clearly say that windows is espacially easy to
> > > discern because of the crappy TCPIP-stack, which does certain things
> > > different from anybody else (setting the STANDARD, naturally)
> >                 ^^^^^^^
> >
> > You misspelled "violating"
> >
> Well, you can surely put it that way. I would in privacy, but since I'm a
> good natured person ;) i phrased it a little more polite.

Fuck being polite...tell the truth as it is.
 Microsoft is carrying on a campaign AGAINST all of humanity

(Gates' ultimate goal is to collect revenue on EVERY electronic transaction
in the world...especially financial transactions!)

> You know how we call Microsoft in Germany?

Dog shit?


> It's called "Winzig Weich", which are the words for "very small" and "soft"
> And the name is appropriate -> very small (brains), soft (on standards)

Micro = very small (Greek)

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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