Linux-Advocacy Digest #235, Volume #31 Thu, 4 Jan 01 03:13:02 EST
Contents:
nterex is currently accepting submissions for paper presentations and (Kees
denHartigh)
Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting ("JSPL")
Re: Would Linux be invented if? ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (*)
Re: mail reader (Arthur Frain)
Re: Why Hatred? ("craig nellist")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windows 2000 ("craig nellist")
Re: Why NT? (Shane Phelps)
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("JSPL")
Re: Uptimes (J Sloan)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Perry Pip)
Re: Linux, it is great. (J Sloan)
Re: Uptimes ("JSPL")
Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors (J Sloan)
Re: Linux and License (Perry Pip)
Re: Why NT? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Uptimes (J Sloan)
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (*)
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From: Kees denHartigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: nterex is currently accepting submissions for paper presentations and
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:58:59 -0700
Interex is currently accepting submissions for paper presentations and
tutorials for HP World 2001. The conference addresses issues involving
all HP-related operating systems and HP partners. HP World is an
outstanding opportunity for business and technical presenters.
You will be contributing your expertise to the entire $95 billion HP
computing community and collaborating with your peers.
HP World 2001 offers computing professionals step-by-step solutions to
their IT challenges.
Your proposal should relate to one of the HP World 2001 conference
tracks and should offer new information helping to define future
directions. We encourage you to submit case study and proposals that
encourage audience participation.
Please follow this URL for information on how to submit a linux related
paper.
http://www.interex.org/conference/hpworld2001/hpw01_call07.html
Linux is getting support from numerous vendors and corporate users. This
track will explore using this OS to compliment your IT strategy.
Some suggested topics may include:
Linux on the Desktop
64-bit Linux
Linux/NT Interoperability
Linux Security Issues
VMWare
3rd Party Applications for Linux
Corporate and Language Technology
HP's Linux Hardware and Software Support
HP's Open Source Strategy
Open Mail, MC Service Guard, OpenView Support for Linux
Linux on PA-RISC
Real-Time and Embedded Linux
Using GNU Software Tools
Supercomputing--Linux Clustering (Bewoulf)
Linux on IA-64
Linux Performance Monitoring and Tuning
Graphics Development Environments
Java Under Linux
Debugging Tools
Cross-Platform Development
Web Servers
Developing Distributed Linux Applications
Linux Success Stories
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Kees denHartigh e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unix System Admin - Electrical and Computer Engineering
University of Alberta 238 Civil Elect Bldg Voice (780)492-5421
http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~kees Fax (780)492-1811
AOL IM handle keesedm (tik for UX)
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The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just crash, it displays a
dialog box and lets you press 'OK' first.
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Linux...... The choice of a gnu generation. http://www.linux.org
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From: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:28:10 -0500
Reply-To: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Sgt Detritus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:92ua5l$8n6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <ZjO26.47666$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [snips]
> >
> I have seen a sig which sums up my opinion of mister Bjarnason's
> commentary on the "register's" article.
> "you could spend hours counting the petals on a flower
> you could spend years counting the veins in each petal
> you could spend lifetimes counting the cells...
> and you would have completely missed the point, you f***head"
> The point of the whole article seems to be that M$ (a shortened and
> derogatory reference to the unethically run REDMOND, WA based software
> company Microsoft, for the twits in the bunch) wants to encourage the
> use of an inexpensive "dummy" terminal. the significance is that the
> BEAST (see M$, above) would have control over and access to anything
> that one would store in a PC on site, private, business crucial, or
> not. We may not "technically" own the software that runs on our PC's,
> but at least it is as secure and private as we choose to make it. NO-
> ONE, NOT EVEN THE "OWNERS" of the software, has access should we so
> choose (you can always sever a 'net connection). the implications are
> fairly obvious from this point on. For further reference, perhaps one
> should read 1984 by George Orwell.
>
> --
> Any man agitated enough to lift a 300lb. ape
> without noticing is a man with way too much on
> his mind.
Apparently (in hindsight) the book "1984" was pretty much wrong. As far as
software and .net goes, the market demand will continue to dictate the
choices as it always has.
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would Linux be invented if?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 06:31:02 GMT
Correct, what would you rather have, a Mercedes Benz or a Ford Falcon? I
would rather have the Mercedes Benz!
kiwiunixman
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Donn Miller wrote:
> > >You forgot Plan 9. When I had this particular interview, the person
> > >doing the hiring said that Windows NT is easier to use than unix. He
> > >also said that a lot of software was being ported to Windows from unix,
> > >so that makes it a good reason to switch. (*Shrugs*. This is a good
> > >reason to switch?!) Departments switching from unix to NT also cite
> > >that fact that Windows has the great clipboard thingie, and that you
can
> > >do all kinds of sophisticated OLE stuff with it. For example, if you
do
> > >some analysis with engineering software, you can select the data, or
> > >click on a graph for example, and select "copy" from the menu. And --
> > >get this -- brace yourself -- Windows' clipboard is so neat and
> > >ulta-sophisticated, it allows you to select what kind of data you'd
like
> > >to paste into your document. For example, you can select "plain text",
> > >"word document", and "bitmap". Dammit, X11 doesn't have anything near
> > >this sophisticated, so I suppose that automatically makes Windows NT
> > >better. Besides, they say, unix isn't a good OS to use unless you are
> > >doing intensive computational projects, or running a server.
> >
> > I wonder what people would think about this idea.
> >
> > If there were no Microsoft and Windows was never invented.
> >
> > If we still had Novel and Apple battling it out with Unix's,
> > WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN LINUX?
> >
> > I think the answer to that is YES.
> >
> > Linus mastered Linux because he wanted a replacement for Minix.
> >
> > Linus had no vision of conquering Microsoft at all. This was
> > never his objective.
> >
> > Isn't it funny how all those companies who HAD OBJECTIVES to
> > conquer Windows failed and the one who was just playing one
> > year with a kernel with NO AMBITIONS WHAT-SO-EVER will be
> > the one to topple Microsoft.
>
> Thus, QUALITY was the primary goal, instead of marketing.
>
> High quality sells itself.
>
>
> >
> > This is the work of god.
>
> No...its the work of quality.
>
> >
> > Charlie
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 06:42:42 GMT
JSPL wrote:
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > Keep in mind that most Linux browsers are identified as
> > Unknown (20,548,518 identified user IP addresses).
>
> They are?? How nice that you've taken over the complete "unknown" column for
> Linux. I guess it just too bad for the millions of crawlers, email
> harvesters, and WYSIWYG html editors.
well, i thought he was being very democratic!
(erm. actually a pun. on the election. recount. in florida. ok it was stupid.)
y'r pal -kK
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:41:05 -0800
From: Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mail reader
Adam Fineman wrote:
> Thanks, everyone, for the responses. It looks like my best bet will be to use
> fetchmail. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can best divide the
> incoming mail into separate folders based upon which of my accounts to which
> the mail was originally sent? I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear what
> people generally do rather than reinvent the wheel.
man procmail
man procmailex
man procmailrc
Arthur
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From: "craig nellist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:50:12 +1100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Routine batch-processing jobs (like data collection and report generation)
> is something that I can routinely accomplish with 15-120 minutes
> of script programming, and then a mere couple of SECONDS to type
> the command thereafter.
>
> Meanwhile, in LoseDOS land, the same task will continue to take
> several HOURS of my time EVERY WEEK.
Here's me thinking you've kept your "hands clean of Neutered Technology."
Oh well.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 06:59:02 GMT
"*" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You assume that I am the only one. I assert that roughly between
> > 40 and 60% of the general population would stop using Windows if
> > Linux were available on equal terms
>
> and use what? linux?
>
> well stop asserting. easily 60% of the population uses their computers for
> 1 of 3 things: web browsing, game playing and entertainment, or multimedia
> development.
>all 3 are things linux does worst.
Oh, is that really what most companies expect their employees to do with
the computers on every desktop?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "craig nellist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:11:28 +1100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Really? Tell that to Office97 users who recieve Office2000 documents.
>
> You know....just like when Office 6.0 users recieved Office97 documents
>
>
> And when Word5.0 users recieved Word6.0 documents.
There are file format converters available so that early versions of Office
programs can open files from later versions. And, funnily enough, they're
available free of charge from Microsoft's web site.
> There's a reason I call it LOSEdows.
Apart from making yourself look like an idiot? I've seen you reply to 100+
line posts, where your only contribution (if it can be called that) was to
write LOSE (or some variant) where the original poster had written
Win[32|NT|dows]. Is there some point to you doing this?
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:14:30 +1100
mlw wrote:
>
> With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
> why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
>
> I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
> deploy NT.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
Citrix Metaframe!
Then the software engineers can run Linux or Solaris or AIX or ...
and still have access to the organistion's MS applications,
mail, etc (instead of NT Workstation and fragile X-servers)
There isn't necessarily only 1 IT department in a big company :-)
BTW, Solaris is available for free as well on smaller boxes.
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From: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:16:19 -0500
Reply-To: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"*" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JSPL wrote:
>
> > "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > Keep in mind that most Linux browsers are identified as
> > > Unknown (20,548,518 identified user IP addresses).
> >
> > They are?? How nice that you've taken over the complete "unknown" column
for
> > Linux. I guess it just too bad for the millions of crawlers, email
> > harvesters, and WYSIWYG html editors.
>
> well, i thought he was being very democratic!
>
> (erm. actually a pun. on the election. recount. in florida. ok it was
stupid.)
>
> y'r pal -kK
Then there's the 6,368,480 the MEANT to use Linux but became confused
because it had been moved further down the list on their boot loader. Add
them to the total.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:21:05 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> Could be they spend too much time gossiping instead of fixing the problems.
> When I hear of a BSOD I always ask what caused it, and far too often the
> reply is "I don't know I didn't read it" these types should stick to DOS.
Nope, these are top notch MCSEs and they are
working their asses off -
> That is inconclusive as Netcraft counts sites not servers.
So, Unix servers tend to host mulitple sites, while windows
servers tend to host a single site, or a farms of windows hosts
a single site? hmm, which platform sounds more ready for prime
time to you?
> Mass hosters
> generally use Solaris or BSD (with a few Linux)
A great many Linux, to be more accurate.
> so the numbers get padded.
OK, let me get this straight: Unix is capable of reliably hosting
muitiple sites, but windows servers should be limited to a single
site - and why does this appear to you like some kind of moral
victory for windows? It's clearly a stinging indictment of windows
poor performance and reliability as a mission critical web server.
> IIS sites tend to be eCommerce and one site to a domain/location.
Unix sites e.g amazon tend to be huge, fast and always on.
IIS installations are typically low traffic corporate brochureware
sites. Check the netcraft secure server stats and you will see
that windows/IIS is a shrinking minority.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: 4 Jan 2001 07:40:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:02:36 GMT,
hackerbabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>A quote from http://microsoft.aynrand.org/hate.html, referring to why
>Microsoft has been persecuted in the anti-trust trial:
>
[snipped]
Heh...talk about corporate shills. Look at their cultural diversity page:
http://multiculturalism.aynrand.org/
And their environment page:
http://environmentalism.aynrand.org/
And to think they pride themselves in being objective. I can only
wonder if Ayn Rand was really such a bigot or whether this is a bunch
of people misusing her name.
Perry
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, it is great.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:42:50 GMT
Todd wrote:
> Linux has been getting a *ton* of media coverage - mostly positive. MS
> seems to be getting kicked around by everybody these days. Seems Joe 6 pack
> would pick Linux.
Your savvy red herring reader has heard of Red Hat,
but nope, Joe 6 pack has never heard of Linux...
> Then you have very special needs indeed !
Very ordinary really - I use the web, read/write emails,
play games, do programming and system admintration
work - Linux is the perfect environment for these sorts
of things. (unless you need games which only run on
windows platforms, but I'm already got way too many
games)
> > I beg to differ - I find most modern Linux distros far less
> > frustrating to install than windows in any form.
>
> I assume you mean when the hardware is fully compatible?
"fully compatible", meaning fair quality, standard hardware
> In other cases, Linux is a nightmare.
dunno, haven't seen that myself - and I've installed Linux
on probably 100 different systems over the years.
> > You could have gotten it for about $5 from cheapbytes -
>
> Most retail stores that I visit (I live in Singapore) only have RedHat... a
> few have others - most are above US$50 dollars.
You can order cheap CDs online -
> > and there are cheaper official versions as well.
>
> True - but most users would never be able to install it.
Why? Install procedure is the same;
Insert the CD, boot and install.
> Most people *work* for a living - if there is no money in it, you won't find
> much development for the platform.
So, you suppose the engineers at IBM, Compaq, VA Research,
SGI, SuSE, NASA etc are all working on Linux for free?
> That's just another reason so many 3rd parties ignore Linux and stick with
> Windows.
hmm, you have no sense of the trends.
That's how it has traditionally been - and helped reinforce
the windoze monopoly. But if you haven't yet noticed, you
might eventually notice that this is changing.
>
>
> > > Anyway, given the cost of Linux, it is an impressive system. However, I
> > > still feel that Windows 2000 is a technically superior product ( I work
> with
> > > many 2000 boxes everyday ).
> >
> > I commend you on having the correct attitude for a microsoft employee
>
> Again, I'm not an MS employee. Just because I prefer 2000 over Linux does
> not mean I work for MS.
Are you not Todd Needham?
> I believe the MindCraft benchmark (the one that was officially audited by
> MS, PCWeek, and RedHat), but those claims to rest. Windows 2000 trouned
> Linux pretty badly.
You insist on living in the past, don't you? I understand it's
tempting to just sit back and fantasize about those heady
days when microsoft proclaimed it's superiority over the
"upstart" operating system in carefully designed tests.
But why not wake up and look at the present situation?
Linux beats ms on high end web benchmarks.
> Also, www.tpc.org has official transaction per second results among other
> things... guess which OS took the top 4 spots? Guess which OS isn't even
> listed?
I guess you will be pretty badly stunned when the Linux results
are posted -
> Finally, even Tom's hardware states that OpenGL runs slightly faster under
> 2000 that Linux with NVidia hardware (pretty much the most common 3d
> hardware out there these days).
much more mature and highly tuned drivers - and even at
that the performance is about equal - put that amount of
effort into the Linux video drivers and let's see who is faster.
jjs
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From: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:43:11 -0500
Reply-To: "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> > Could be they spend too much time gossiping instead of fixing the
problems.
> > When I hear of a BSOD I always ask what caused it, and far too often the
> > reply is "I don't know I didn't read it" these types should stick to
DOS.
>
> Nope, these are top notch MCSEs and they are
> working their asses off -
>
> > That is inconclusive as Netcraft counts sites not servers.
>
> So, Unix servers tend to host mulitple sites, while windows
> servers tend to host a single site, or a farms of windows hosts
> a single site? hmm, which platform sounds more ready for prime
> time to you?
>
>
> > Mass hosters
> > generally use Solaris or BSD (with a few Linux)
>
> A great many Linux, to be more accurate.
>
> > so the numbers get padded.
>
> OK, let me get this straight: Unix is capable of reliably hosting
> muitiple sites, but windows servers should be limited to a single
> site - and why does this appear to you like some kind of moral
> victory for windows? It's clearly a stinging indictment of windows
> poor performance and reliability as a mission critical web server.
>
> > IIS sites tend to be eCommerce and one site to a domain/location.
>
> Unix sites e.g amazon tend to be huge, fast and always on.
Last I heard CNN had reported that amazon.com was down the day after
Thanksgiving ( and a few other suspicious times of the year) but
microsoft.com or any other huge and popular IIS site has never been down.
I think yahoo was down a couple years ago too when some hackers managed to
change domain server info at netsol. Admitedly this wasn't the fault of
their server, but I think I remember that happening.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:49:11 GMT
MH wrote:
> Oh my, where have we heard this one before? And when?
> Solution: Every year since the year after linux hit the net.
And you deny it's happening? oh dear.
> > However the look and feel of the desktop metaphor is one
> > area where we must admit that windows is rather lame
> > in comparison to modern Unix GUIs.
>
> The only thing I'm prepared to admit, in response to your post, is that you
> must be reading too much Slashdot propaganda. Getting caught up in that warm
> and fuzzy Eric Raymond diatribe is a bit like bad acid.
You forget, I see windoze every day - I have 2 computers under
my desk and a single keyboard, mouse monitor.
I do the bulk of my work in Linux
I switch to the nt pc when I have to deal with a pesky
legacy file format e.g. an intricately formatted word doc.
Getting back to my helix gnome desktop is like a breath
of fresh air after a stint in pee cee land -
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Linux and License
Date: 4 Jan 2001 07:47:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also,
You can write kernel modules and close source them. If you patch the
kernel itself though you need to GPL it.
Perry
On 03 Jan 2001 17:10:08 -0700,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I want to know that:
>>
>> if i make a linux firewall based on a normal and free linux distribution
>> (red hat, debian, mandrake or others)and i want to sell to an
>> organization ....which kind of license should i sell or give?
>>
>> Or better can i sell a firewall based on a linux distribution and
>> repatched in some particulary way?...
>>
>> tnx a lot
>
>Any software that you write, that is not linked against GPL software,
>you can do whatever you want with. If you use GPL software *inside*
>your code, or if you link against GPL software that isn't L-GPL'd (or
>hacked like libstdc++.....) then you need to make the source
>available.
>
>In short: Anything you create and link against the libraries that
>come with linux is OK. Anything you "borrow" (in source) needs to
>make the whole project GPL (commonly called the "GPL virus").
>
>--
>The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
>Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: 04 Jan 2001 00:50:01 -0700
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
> why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
>
> I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
> deploy NT.
Application server for proprietary systems.
That's the only reason to use it, unless you enjoy paying more for
less.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:53:50 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > > Then I would say that both you and they are incompotent NT
> administrators.
> >
> > I'm a Unix admin, I thought I made that clear -
> > The windows reboots are handled by others.
>
> You said that *you* had to get up in 3AM to reboot a BSOD NT
You might want to re-read my posting sir.
I said that getting up at 3 am sticks in ones memory.
Let's get this straight: I used to maintain labs full of PCs
and Unix systems - I worked on windows, windows nt,
Linux, FreeBSD, SGI and mac systems.
I have since moved on to much better and higher paying
positions, dealing exclusively with Unix. Mainly Linux,
HP-UX, and Solaris. I have no wish to return to the mad
circus of windows babysitting.
> A> An NT server would reboot automatically if BSOD and resume operation
> within minutes.
> B> If it doesn't, and you know *nothing* about NT, you turn to Google.com
>
Well that's all well and good - but from what I hear, nt
gets itself into a state where it cannot boot again without
manual intervention.
jjs
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From: * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:02:16 GMT
Les Mikesell wrote:
> > well stop asserting. easily 60% of the population uses their computers for
> > 1 of 3 things: web browsing, game playing and entertainment, or multimedia
> > development.
>
> >all 3 are things linux does worst.
>
> Oh, is that really what most companies expect their employees to do with
> the computers on every desktop?
actually, if you read closely , those numbers were regarding the general
population.
i don't think business factors in because it is not up to the employee to
choose what operating system they would like to use - what with having to
maintain uniformity with the software used.
this is not true in all instances - multimedia for instance is more concerned
with the end result. that and the pretty good interchangability of formats
between those kinds of programs.
anyway, if you think many of the legions of data-entry temps are going to take
personal time away from their entry-level pay to install an OS like linux on
their company machine, you should think again.
they probably spend all day just praying for a windows crash..
y'r pal -kK
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