Linux-Advocacy Digest #235, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 14:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Bob Hauck)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Dr S.J. Cornell)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Bob Hauck)
Re: "This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson. "Period." (rich)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Greg Cox)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Chad Myers")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) ("Chad
Myers")
Re: Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish) (Donn Miller)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) ("Chad
Myers")
Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? ("spicerun")
Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Will MS get away with this one? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... ("Mart van de Wege")
OT: Provincial division of the Netherlands (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance..). ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. ("Flacco")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ("Bill Todd")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:11:49 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:37:43 -0500, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>Yes, I'm a dumbass and you are superior. Do you feel better now?
>
>No, we're really back to square one.
>But I am appalled that she couldn't come up with the answer.
But why do you care? She's not _your_ IT person. I am not her boss either,
so telling me that she's worthless is, well, worthless.
I don't even know all of the circumstances. Maybe there's a bug that makes
it not work like it ought to, I have no idea. I left it up to IT to fix the
problem, as I have other work to do. I'm paid to write embedded software,
not finagle the NT boxes.
The only reason this came up here was because somebody had script kiddies
using his anonymous ftp as a drop box. I asked if anybody knew how to make
"upload only" directories to prevent that but still allow customers to
upload stuff. Just a casual question because I was vaguely interested in
how you'd do that on NT as compared to Unix (where I know how to do it).
YOU are the one making it into a big deal. I just asked out of idle
curiosity.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:22:03 GMT
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:28:00 -0500, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Since when has accuracy or truth mattered to Netcraft?
Since when have they mattered to you?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr S.J. Cornell)
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: 14 Jun 2001 17:29:09 +0100
Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> "Dr S.J. Cornell" wrote:
> > Time to inject some facts, from
> > http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/indexfld.html
> >
> > Different statistics come from different years, but I think the results
> > are sufficiently marked to be robust.
> >
> > United Kingdom:
> > ---------------
> > Ecomomic aid: ODA, $3.4 billion (1997)
> > Population: 59,511,464 (July 2000 est.)
> > GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.29 trillion (1999 est.)
> >
> > Overseas aid per capita: $57
> > Fraction of GDP spent on overseas aid: 0.26%
> >
> > USA:
> > ----
> > Economic aid: ODA, $6.9 billion (1997)
>
> This figure is flat-out wrong. The USA foreign aid is 14.1 billion USD.
>
Ok, *you* go out and get the correct figures, fully referenced. I was
quoting from your government's website.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 16:27:23 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Burkhard W�lfel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> minced:
> Be serious. Not for the 20th time.
dear fuckhead retard,
first, that was not posted by aaron, that was posted by me.
second, the source is right there in black and white:
the center for disease control
those familiar with sentient thought might be capable of deducing from
that deeply puzzing and enigmatic statement that one could learn more
by reading the cdc website. which, if you were not a fuckhead tard, you,
having such an urgent interest in this subject that you posted about a
dozen replies bitching and moaning about aaron's many helpful and
informative postes, would have done.
but as you are a mentally retarded person we will cut you some slack and
grant you a special olympic bronze medalist junior achiever badge.
i have no doubt it will look quite fetching with your pink tutu.
best,
jackie 'anakin' tokeman, m.d.
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:34:18 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:58 GMT, Form@C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>While I'm on that subject, remember their other trick of burning a
>microscopic hole through a floppy to produce a guaranteed error at a fixed
>position on the disk? The software wouldn't run without that error...
I don't know if Apple did that, but a number of companies that made software
for PC-compatibles certainly did. There's plenty of "dirty tricks" to go
around in the software industry.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rich)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: "This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson. "Period."
Date: 14 Jun 2001 16:31:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr
>
>Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER
>make a botched patch again!
>How reassuring!
My favorite line:
"We are on the verge of dumping all of our Microsoft stuff and going to
Linux for reasons of expense and reasons of security," he said.
LOL
--
Allowing raw sockets in XP is a *BAD* idea. See http://grc.com/dos/winxp.htm
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:41:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> On 13 Jun 2001 20:35:46 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (F/@- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw says...
> >>I will never go back to Windows.
> >
> >I am afraid I had to go back to windows, becuase the software
> >I need to use is only on windows.
>
> I have to use windows because of my winmodem. This would never have
> happened if it wasn't for Microsoft.
>
>
Yea, damn that Microsoft for making it easy for hardware maufacturers to
make cheaper hardware by offloading some of the work to the main CPU. It
would seem more appropriate to me to damn the hardware manufacturers for
not either releasing drivers for other OSs or releasing a spec so someone
else can write a driver for their hardware.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:41:29 -0500
"Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g8ggp$2n2g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g681i$71i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Just to note, http://www.xtramsn.co.nz/ which is a joint venture between
> > Xtra, New Zealands largest ISP and MSN, The site www.xtramsn.co.nz is
> > running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3 on Solaris, this a company that is, in
> > theory, meant to be the official New Zealand partner in e-commerce and
> > internet inferstructure, yet the still retains a nice fleet of SUN
> servers.
> > Reliable, flexible and ready to rumble, as in the words of the Microsoft
> > "enterprise" ad on CNN.
>
> You don't perchance think that they just threw that page up on a server that
> Xtra already had? Is that in the realms of possibility?
I think he also means "Reliable, flexible, crashes only occasionally
for no reason, and Sun won't disclose the reason, but other than that,
not too bad".
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:49:04 -0500
"Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:F6TV6.314$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g72gl$qqf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Ignorance must be bliss in the US, hence the reason why so many
> > groups/nations just want to blow the crap out of the country.
> >
> > Have you ever been outside the US once? maybe you should realise the world
> > doesn't stop at the shores of the US.
>
> Germany, Japan, France, Egypt, Holland, etc.
>
> As I said, all of the alternatives I've seen
> so far suck. Hence, why I've stayed here.
>
> *Yawn!*
>
> Same old same old. Non-U.S. folks always say
> that very same statement, when their reason
> runs out, and they have no more ammo to back
> up their ludicrous socialist ideals. "Have
> you ever been outside the U.S.?" How typical.
>
> BTW, how many times has the U.S. been invaded?
Actually, the British invaded in the War of 1812,
but they were quickly disposed of.
> Zero.
>
> But still, I guess our way of life must be
> weak and pathetic nonetheless, because some
> socialist ne'er-do-well weenie on the other
> side of the world says so.
>From what I gather, Matthew is a Kiwi.
What is it with Kiwis that they are so self
important? They are way worse than even Brits.
They list New Zealand along with the US, Britain,
Chinda, and the former Soviet Union, as if
New Zealand is larger than just that little island.
-c
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish)
Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:46:33 -0500
flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Example: Mandrake 7.1 has a mind all of it's own on install and others
> have noticed this as well. I select "expert" mode and "text" at the
> boot screen, but yet the machine still probes hardware and sets up the
> X system incorrectly. If you select boot to gui it's all over with and
> you can't do a thing. Killing the Xserver just puts it into a loop and
> I can't even log in on an alternate console. Sometimes CAD doesn't
> even work and power off is all that works.
I hate install programs. FreeBSD's sysinstall is really hosed if you choose
to do an ftp install; otherwise, it works fairly OK. The ftp install option
had me pulling your hair out. But, I imagine it doesn't mean much, since
most people will opt to d/l the ISO and burn themselves a bootable install
CD, or just install from a DOS partition.
RedHat's install program was pretty intuitive, but it was kind of
frustrating. Sometimes FreeBSD's sysinstall leads you around in a complete
circle, and I think RedHat's installer did the same. But, I think you're
better off just installing a minimal working system, and IFF your installed
system boots, THEN you should go back to your install program after you boot
and install the rest of the stuff.
How many times have you installed a complete system, greater than 250 MBytes,
only to find that it won't boot? I don't know if RH will even allow a
minimal installation.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:50:29 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g8v9n$av3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> YATY = Yet Another Typical Yank
>
> You have now been kill filed.
YAIAK
Yet another ignorant, arrogant kiwi.
What's the matter? Realised that Stephen is right and
that you really have some hatred problems? You seem
to bash on the U.S. a lot. What, really, is your problem
with? Sad that you're stuck on a little island with no
where to go, wishing you had freedom and a good economy,
not to mention a history to be proud of?
-c
>
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:F6TV6.314$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9g72gl$qqf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Ignorance must be bliss in the US, hence the reason why so many
> > > groups/nations just want to blow the crap out of the country.
> > >
> > > Have you ever been outside the US once? maybe you should realise the
> world
> > > doesn't stop at the shores of the US.
> >
> > Germany, Japan, France, Egypt, Holland, etc.
> >
> > As I said, all of the alternatives I've seen
> > so far suck. Hence, why I've stayed here.
> >
> > *Yawn!*
> >
> > Same old same old. Non-U.S. folks always say
> > that very same statement, when their reason
> > runs out, and they have no more ammo to back
> > up their ludicrous socialist ideals. "Have
> > you ever been outside the U.S.?" How typical.
> >
> > BTW, how many times has the U.S. been invaded?
> >
> > Zero.
> >
> > But still, I guess our way of life must be
> > weak and pathetic nonetheless, because some
> > socialist ne'er-do-well weenie on the other
> > side of the world says so.
> >
> >
>
> --
> I am the blue screen of death
> nobody hears your scream's
>
> Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
> however, in New Zealand and Australia
> a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
>
> For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
> Seek and ye shall find
>
>
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From: "spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:08:17 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Burkhard W�lfel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did anyone of you try out ns6.1 preview yet?
Why? Mozilla-0.9.1 works better....and I'm confident enough to say that
even before even seeing ns6.1...... if ns6.0 was any indication (The mozilla
version out then was even better than ns6.0 when it was released).
> I wonder if it is "advocable"...
> Didn't check it out yet cause my poor connection at home.
>
Debatable....Check out Mozilla at www.mozilla.org. After all, the ns 6.x
series use the mozilla browser with netscape's own modifications (that
aren't needed).
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *Newbie* Linux/Windows 98 Dual Boot
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:02:41 +0200
"Big Daddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Is their any performance loss or interference from a dual boot system.
No.
> Do the 2 partitions work together well?
No, Linux works with Windows well enough, but installing Windows9x would
prevent you from booting to Linux, because 9x takes over the MBR.
Remember to have a boot disk for Linux handy if you decide to re-install
Win9x.
And remember, *.advocacy is no a good place to ask questions in.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:05:08 +0200
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:28:00 -0500, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Since when has accuracy or truth mattered to Netcraft?
>
> Since when have they mattered to you?
Since when have they mattered to anyone on this groups?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:10 +0200
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:58 GMT, Form@C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >While I'm on that subject, remember their other trick of burning a
> >microscopic hole through a floppy to produce a guaranteed error at a
fixed
> >position on the disk? The software wouldn't run without that error...
>
> I don't know if Apple did that, but a number of companies that made
software
> for PC-compatibles certainly did. There's plenty of "dirty tricks" to go
> around in the software industry.
As a note, some of the currect CD-protection schemes carry much resemblences
to this one.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:55 +0200
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b28bdd2$0$94306$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> That's the Unix way right? Spend countless hours what takes
> minutes in Windows.
Not arguing with this.
But keep in mind that the reverse is true as well.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:09:31 +0200
"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I'm not sure about that. How many Linux or Mac users would switch to
> >> Windows because of it? PC users buy by default MS software anyway, so
> >> while I agree there'd be a benefit to society, I don't think it's
> >> obvious where the revenue stream for Intel/MS is.
>
> > Every upgrade means another copy of Windows, even if they install over
it.
>
> Eh... I'm not sure I follow. The way it is now, I buy a new PC with
> the latest Windows on it, and spend hours moving stuff over. In an
> ideal world, I buy a new PC with the latest Windows on it, and push a
> button to automatically transfer all my stuff.
>
> I'm not sure I see why MS cares one way or another.
There is a file & setting transfer wizard in XP, I've never tried it,
though, and I don't know if it will work on other versions.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:17:21 +0200
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:37:43 -0500, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Bob Hauck wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >>Yes, I'm a dumbass and you are superior. Do you feel better now?
> >
> >No, we're really back to square one.
>
> >But I am appalled that she couldn't come up with the answer.
>
> But why do you care? She's not _your_ IT person. I am not her boss
either,
> so telling me that she's worthless is, well, worthless.
>
> I don't even know all of the circumstances. Maybe there's a bug that
makes
> it not work like it ought to, I have no idea. I left it up to IT to fix
the
> problem, as I have other work to do. I'm paid to write embedded software,
> not finagle the NT boxes.
>
> The only reason this came up here was because somebody had script kiddies
> using his anonymous ftp as a drop box. I asked if anybody knew how to
make
> "upload only" directories to prevent that but still allow customers to
> upload stuff. Just a casual question because I was vaguely interested in
> how you'd do that on NT as compared to Unix (where I know how to do it).
>
> YOU are the one making it into a big deal. I just asked out of idle
> curiosity.
Actually, this is such a basic thing in NT, that it cast serious doubts
about her comptence in administrating NT in the first place.
You may want to suggest to her boos that someone should check the
configuration of your NT boxes. Security audit is rarely a bad thing,
anyway.
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:21:04 +0200
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Burkhard W�lfel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree. The Netherlands are very progressive. Very positive and
> optimistic too, as far as I know some.
>
Nah Burkhard,
You must not spend your holidays in our coastal provinces then? About the
only good words we have for Germans is that they spend a lot of Marks :)
Don't worry though, I have learned the distinction between Germans and
tourists. Germans are ok, but tourists are the scum of the earth :)
Unfortunately not everyone in my home province can see the difference, so
the damn tourists make sure every year that a particular dislike for
Germans keeps existing. Sorry about that.
Mart
--
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the same to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:23:28 +0200
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
In article <3b28ba64$0$94309$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>> >
>> > "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
>> > >
>> > > Drugs, alcohol, sex; things are MUCH more libertarian (freedom) in
>> > > Denmark than in the US. It's all about personal responsibility.
>> >
>> > And pedophilia.
>> >
>> > -c
>>
>> You say something like pedophilia and say nothing to back it up?
>
> I'm sorry, I'm talking about Holland, not Denmark. I missed the Denmark
> part, I though you were still talking about Holland.
>
> I think I need some more coffee...
>
> -c
>
>
Well if you define an age of consent of 16 as pedophilia you are
absolutely right. Otherwise you are dead wrong.
Hope this helps,
Mart
--
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the same to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: Provincial division of the Netherlands (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance..).
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:38:19 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said Mart van de Wege in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> drsquare wrote:
>><snip>
>>>>
>>>> Canada, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Denmark, Belgium,
>>>> Italy, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Mexico, Poland...
>>>
>>> Ireland - abortion is illegal
>>> France - Paris commune massacre, Dreyfus affair, just as bad as US
>>> Germany - a perfect example of human rights preservation for all of
>>> history
>>> Spain - dictatorship until mid-70's
>>> Italy - not just the government abuses human rights
>>>
>>So that leaves the Netherlands then?
>>
>>:)
>>
>>(and for fscks sake: it is 'the Netherlands' not 'Holland'. To someone
>>from the southern and northern provinces, that's like calling a
>>Southerner a Yankee).
>
> Well, believe it or not, Southerners in the US understand it when a
> foreigner calls them a Yankee. They'd never put up with it if they
> weren't in an international venue, of course, so Usenet is a
> no-man's-land, but, yes, people from Georgia expect Limeys (what they'd
> call 'furriners') to refer to them as "Yanks" or whatever.
>
> Still, I don't know near as much about Holland as I do about Georgia. So
> Holland is an area within the Netherlands? I guess an eastern or
> western province?
>
Ok,
A little background here. The full name of the country is 'Koninkrijk der
Nederlanden', in English: 'Kingdom of the Netherlands'. The short form is
'Nederland' or 'Netherlands' for you. 'Holland' proper refers to 2 of our
12 provinces, South Holland and North Holland. Usually the province of
Utrecht is counted as Holland as well. Now it is easy to see why
foreigners mix up Holland with the Netherlands, as those 3 provinces
comprise our 4 big cities (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht and The Hague)
and most of our population.
There is however a lot of resentment about being called 'Holland' in the
remaining 9 or 10 provinces, especially those below the confluence of the
Rhine and Meuse rivers (Zeeland, Noord-Brabant and Limburg). This
resentment is mostly historical, and we're not fanatics about it, but it
still grates on our nerves (I'm from Zeeland, if you look at the map it's
the bunch of peninsulas in the south-west). The cause is mostly because
until the mid 19th century 2 of those provinces were not full provinces
but only protectorates. If you know that until Napoleon the Netherlands
was a Federal Republic then you may see the problem. Brabant and Limburg
are viewed by those 'above the rivers' as hicks, whereas they see the
northerners as arrogant pompous asses.
Zeeland is a bit of an exception, as it was one of the founding provinces
of the republic in the 16th century, so historically it has always been
considered part of the country. On the other hand, we do have a rather
quaint accent, which still distinguishes us from the rest of the country,
and they do view us as country bumpkins. As a result, we tend to speak
Standard Dutch fairly well.
The Northern provinces are a quiet reserved lot on the whole, where the
distinction is mostly city vs. rural areas. Of course since most of our
cities are in 'Holland' the distinction mentioned above plays a role as
well, but not as much as with the southern provinces.
Hope this clarifies it a little
Mart
--
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the same to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks.
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:40:49 GMT
>> Lets all write to yahoo and complain. I am just had it with sites like
>> yahoo that only supports windows.
That is REALLY pathetic, especially from an outfit Yahoo's size.
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From: "Bill Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:54:02 -0400
"Dan Pop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9gajdi$qea$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...
> Operating system upgrades are usually supported for incremental upgrades,
> i.e. from version m.n to m.n+1. If the old system is old enough, an OS
> upgrade may no longer be an option.
Given the rate at which Microsoft releases new versions, for most people
this has likely not been much of a problem. While I don't know, it would
not surprise me if Win98 (even 2nd edition) could be installed as an upgrade
to a Win3.1 system (since Win95 could) - and even if that's not the case,
one has to ask whether one really wants one's existing Win3.1 applications
in a Win98 environment or whether it's time to bite the bullet and move
forward a decade or so.
- bill
>
> Dan
> --
> Dan Pop
> CERN, IT Division
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mail: CERN - IT, Bat. 31 1-014, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
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