Linux-Advocacy Digest #337, Volume #31 Mon, 8 Jan 01 15:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Nick Condon)
Re: Linux vs Microsoft (Nick Condon)
Re: Another opinion ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (Nick Condon)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: open source is getting worst with time. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: You and Microsoft... ("tony roth")
Will politics kill the case or will justice prevail? (Pete Goodwin)
Microsoft releases Games console (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Bob Tennent)
Re: You and Microsoft... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Apache / Stronghold Question (Randall Woodman)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! (.)
Linux input and output management information (Coconut Ming)
Re: Why Hatred? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("tony roth")
Re: kernel problems (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux is not UNIX(tm) (Shane Phelps)
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From: Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:15:52 +0000
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Nick Condon wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > > Nick Condon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perry Pip wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And to think they pride themselves in being objective. I can only
> > > > > wonder if Ayn Rand was really such a bigot or whether this is a bunch
> > > > > of people misusing her name.
> > > >
> > > > No, she was a bigot. I knew an Objectivist who insisted I would see the light
> > > > if I read Ayn Rand's stuff, so I tried reading "Atlas Unshrugged". When I
> > > > said she was a selfish bigot he told me I didn't "get" it.
> > >
> > > Since when does equality of opportunity and equality before the law
> > > equal bigotry?
> >
> > It doesn't. But since those two things have been claimed by every *ism since the
> > Enlightenment, it's hardly a distinguishing characteristic of Objectivism.
> >
> > Rand was an extreme individualist who claimed altruism was immoral (i.e. she was
> > selfish).
>
> Wrong....
She said it herself. Repeatedly. She wrote whole papers on the subject, like "The
Virtue of being Selfish".
[snipped irrelevencies]
> >
> > "Selfish" and "Bigot", look 'em up in the dictionary.
>
> Neither of which applies to Ayn Rand.
Riiight.
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From: Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:22:48 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Admit no operating system is perfect and there is an element of
> jealously for Microsoft since they are the defacto for most living human
> beings on planet Earth.
Bit of a sweeping claim, since most living human beings have never even seen a
computer,
much less own any Microsoft products.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another opinion
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:30:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Md4d44) wrote:
> December 5, 2000
>
> The MITRE Corporation, a national technology resource for the
government,
> received a Leadership Award from the non-profit Potomac Forum for
showing that
> open source software can provide substantial advantages over
commercial
> software, particularly when reliability and long-term support are key
> requirements. The award was recently presented jointly to MITRE and
the Office
> of the Secretary of Defense at the first Federal Linux Users Group
conference
> at Crystal City, Va.
>
> MITRE's work included demonstrating the use of Linux in embedded
> systems such as the Abrams tank
<snip>
Well, you can kiss the security of the US goodbye right now. Either
Mitre has totally taken leave of its corporate senses, or there are some
high level communist subversives operating in the company who have
deliberately and traitorously encouraged the use of a buggy, crappy, OS.
I mean, it's probably been worked on by people from countries we'd be
using the tank against .....
Hopefully the incoming Bush administration will make an investigation of
this matter by the DOD and/or DOJ a top priority.
-Sam
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From: Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:49:01 +0000
Stephen Cornell wrote:
> > > Ever been to the UK? All plugs are 3-prong and contain a fuse.
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Not in my hotel rooms.
>
> Really? Maybe some hotels cater to foreign travellers.
No. They are legally required to fit 3 pin plugs like everyone else.
> The only
> 2-pin socket you're likely to see in the UK is a shaver socket in the
> bathroom,
That's right, Aaron's obviously shacking up in a bathroom on his UK trips.
> which will only supply a small current (1 Amp, IIRC) and is
> usually marked `shaver only'. Every other consumer electrical device
> you can buy in the UK comes with a 3-pin plug (though a few years ago
> you actually had to buy and fit your own plug), and every electrical
> socket you will see in a house is 3-pin.
>
> Actually, the razor anomaly has always puzzled me. I assume the reason
> is to comply with international practice, since razors are such a
> common item to travel with. I've a suspicion that UK building
> regulations forbid normal 13 Amp electrical sockets in bathrooms;
That is correct, 3-pin sockets are not permitted in bathrooms, only the two-pin
shaver socket is. That has special isolating transformers that provide an
earth-free output. The primary (input) side requires an earth which is connected
to the transformers core. The two types of socket are different so us proles don't
confuse them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:19:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chris Ahlstrom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:41:12 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>MH wrote:
>>
>> Oh yeah, for sure. I see this all the time. 32mb systems with w95 on one and
>> kde2 on the other, and the kde UI box runs faster. Uh huh. We believe if you
>> believe.
>
>Oh, I get it! Your name is Moe Howard!
<VOICE name="Curly Howard">
Oh, a wise guy! Nyuk nyuk nyuk....
</VOICE>
:-)
[.signsip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random Stooge here
up 96 days, 19:33, running Linux.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:30:30 -0500
Matt Soltysiak wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > unicat wrote:
> > >
> > > There may be a sense of desperation on the part of MS in pushing for
> > > software leasing. Their stock is in free-fall again, geting close to
> > > $40/share,
> > > less than a third of its former value. (anyone want to put bets on how
> long
> > > before it reaches $10/share?)
> > >
> > > This in itself could be disastrous for MS, as their employees start to
> > > lose confidence in their (for lack of a better term) leadership, and
> demand
> > > to be paid in real money
> > > instead of worthless pyramid-scheme stock certificates. It has been
> claimed
> > > that
> > > having to pay competitive salaries to its workforce would quickly put MS
> > > into
> > > the loss column, leading to a downward spiral of decreasing stock value
> and
> > > increasing personnel costs.
> > >
> > > But more worrisome could be the reason that the stock is falling.
> > > Apparently, no one is
> > > buying the new versions of MS software, especially Win2K. They just
> don't
> > > seem to have enough new functionality to justify the purchase price.
> > >
> > > MS may not merely be switching to software leasing to increase profits,
> > > they
> > > could be driven to this move as a survival measure. Now that there are
> no
> > > more
> > > competitors to copy "innovations" from, some might claim that the
> > > incomptetence
> > > of MS management in the area of true creativity is finally showing
> through.
> > > Unable
> > > to create new value to customers, they could have to resort to forcing
> > > customers
> > > to repeatedly pay for the same software over-and-over again.
> > >
> > > And worse for MS, they lack the leverage they once had. Now that the new
> > > versions of MS software are no longer "must-buys", the seeming ability
> of MS
> > > to extort
> > > perpetual revenue out of users may be coming to a close.
> > >
> > > Some who dislike MS software are actively hoping that MS will resort to
> > > software leasing.
> > > The confusion that MS seems to have in discerning the difference between
> > > what is
> > > good for customers from what is good for MS seems to be leading them to
> saw
> > > off the branch
> > > they are standing on... creating a value equation so bad that even
> reluctant
> > > users will be
> > > starting to explore Linux as a cost saving measure....
> >
> > All that's needed is for a couple of large corporations to put Linux
> > on the Desktop...and...MS will die (or a stockholder revolt will oust
> > Gates and his cronies).
> >
> > My bet is that IBM will be the first major corporation to put Linux on
> > the desktop.
> >
> > 1) They already have their own in-house Linux help-desk.
> > 2) Revenge for the OS/2 backstab.
> >
> >
> > >
>
> Why do people dream? MS won't be going anywhere for a long time.
That's what the folks at AT&T thought.
> Linux, as
> much as i like it, won't be accepted as mainstream desktop anytime soon.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ?
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:33:39 -0500
Mike wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > You can get rifles at the supermarket?
> >
> > Where do you live?...I wanna live there, too.
>
> I saw a comedian once who said something like, "If everyone carried a gun,
> we'd all be a whole lot more polite. I'm not saying things would be better,
> but we'd all be a whole lot more polite."
>
> So maybe you don't want to live there.
If everyone being polite means
a) not breaking into people's homes
b) not stealing
c) not mugging
d) not assaulting people
e) not murdering
f) etc.
Then....why not?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:35:13 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> Stephen Cornell wrote:
>
> > > > Ever been to the UK? All plugs are 3-prong and contain a fuse.
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Not in my hotel rooms.
> >
> > Really? Maybe some hotels cater to foreign travellers.
>
> No. They are legally required to fit 3 pin plugs like everyone else.
>
> > The only
> > 2-pin socket you're likely to see in the UK is a shaver socket in the
> > bathroom,
>
> That's right, Aaron's obviously shacking up in a bathroom on his UK trips.
>
> > which will only supply a small current (1 Amp, IIRC) and is
> > usually marked `shaver only'. Every other consumer electrical device
> > you can buy in the UK comes with a 3-pin plug (though a few years ago
> > you actually had to buy and fit your own plug), and every electrical
> > socket you will see in a house is 3-pin.
> >
> > Actually, the razor anomaly has always puzzled me. I assume the reason
> > is to comply with international practice, since razors are such a
> > common item to travel with. I've a suspicion that UK building
> > regulations forbid normal 13 Amp electrical sockets in bathrooms;
>
> That is correct, 3-pin sockets are not permitted in bathrooms, only the two-pin
> shaver socket is. That has special isolating transformers that provide an
> earth-free output. The primary (input) side requires an earth which is connected
> to the transformers core. The two types of socket are different so us proles don't
> confuse them.
That's good then....as long as BOTH SIDES float, then it's safe.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:36:29 -0800
hmm, like I've said before the only possible way to crash an nt4 sp6a
server is by administrative ignorance!
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> tony roth wrote:
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Will politics kill the case or will justice prevail?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:58:16 +0000
The Register: MS anti-trust appeal looms
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15891.html
This case appears to just run and run.
Why is it taking so long for the US Courts to come to any conclusion in
this case? I mean, Microsoft have been found guilty of being a monopoly,
yet they're happily continuing as before. So far there's no teeth to this
case.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft releases Games console
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:59:42 +0000
Linux kernel 2.4 released
Microsoft releases Games console
The Register: And so Xbox is 'launched'
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15885.html
Where's the Linux games console? Has anyone invented one yet? Linux is
quite capable of it - so why not? Why is it not even a starter?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: 8 Jan 2001 19:13:37 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:59:42 +0000, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>Where's the Linux games console?
I thought PlayStation 2 ran on Linux? Linux was certainly used for
development.
Bob T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:34:24 +0000
> If you run Microsoft Windows you will be using a closed source
> system and this means you will always have security problems.
>
Fair point, but this can be a problem even in open source. For example,
a compiler can insert a back door into an OS. The compiler being open
source won't help, cos in compiling the compiler the code to insert code
into the OS can be inserted into the compiler, making the original
malicious code as untraceable as the security bugs in closed source
software.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Randall Woodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux.isp,alt.linux
Subject: Apache / Stronghold Question
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:43:32 -0600
Does anyone here know how to create a custom 401 error page (unauthorized
access) I've been reading through the documentation all day and can't seem
to find an answer. Any help you could offer would be appreciated.
take out the "_nospam_" to reply directly to me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux *has* the EDGE!
Date: 8 Jan 2001 19:38:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:28:48 +0000, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>>> I've finally finished upgrading my Linux box to Mandrake7.2!
>>
>>How long did that take you?
>>> Good one Mandrake, worth every penny, and once again showing Linux *has*
>>> the EDGE!
>>
>>What edge? I can't see anything on Linux running faster than on Windows.
>>Response on X seems sluggish at times.
> It has the edge compared to Win95A the last version of Windows that
> Porter has run, by his own admission.
> I find X to be very sluggish at times even with a Matrox G200 or G400
> and 8 meg running 1024x768 and 32bpp.
You're using the wrong driver, assuming that for once what youve typed
is true.
> I also don't see anything running faster than the equivalent
> application does on Windows 2k on the same machine.
> Just bringing up any one of the file managers for example.
Apache runs much, much faster.
> Starting StarOffice? Go get a cup of coffee.
Ok, for the sake of argument, I just started up staroffice on this machine,
and it took all of 7 seconds to load. Hardly enough time to go get some
coffee.
> MusicMatch Jukebox? Same thing. Sugar and milk please.
Why do you want to use such shit software? Even under windows, I used
it once and tossed it. Its crap.
> I use Wordperfect Office 2k under Win2k and it is up and running in 3
> seconds. StarOffice is still churning away 15 seconds later.
Oh my god, 15 seconds. The horror. You really, really have a point
there.
No, really.
>>Applications are the usual hotch potch of half-beta-test and broken bits
>>and pieces (for those of you out there about to lynch me forf saying this -
>>this is HYPERBOLE. Apparently some of you can't recognise it).
> They call this "streamlined" or "not bloated" but what it amounts to
> is featureless and crude.
So stop using beta software, brainiac.
>>The basics are there but there's more work to be done to be "the Edge"
>>compared to the desktop on Windows.
> It's like the edge on a razor blade after you have chopped concrete
> with it for an hour. Linux that is...
As ive said, it works perfectly for me. You're doing it wrong, claire.
=====.
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:40:43 +0800
From: Coconut Ming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux input and output management information
Hi,
Same as the title above... Linux input and output management
information.
Where I can acquire this information? I need to produce a report.
Thanks.
Direct email me for answer is more encourageable....
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your help is greatly appreciated.
From
Ming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:40:21 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis:
> > Modula II is Pascal for anal-retentives <g>. A great language for
teaching
> > modular programming and data strutures. A bit too pedantic to do any
real
> > work with.
> I thought Pascal was anal-retentive for practical use.
>
> YOu mean Modula is even WORSE?
Sure it is worse, but only because the Pascal one thinks to
has been extended to be usable by Borland and others.
Modula 2 did keep some features of the genuine Pascal,
like fixed-size structure types (useless for most usage)
and added an unusable modularity (explicit visibility-opening
for every name!)
Gautier
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From: "tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:49:10 -0800
Bottom line Aaron your the dumbest fuck in all of usenet! Boy you'd almost
have me thinking your an attorney but your even stupider then an attorney!
Microsoft is appealling the ruling NOT the sentance, you goddamned fucking
retard
Microsoft is appealing the conviction, you goddamned fucking retard
There *WERE* proven guilty, by a goddamned fucking retard.
get your facts straight
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
There *WERE* proven guilty, you goddamned fucking retard.
Microsoft is NOT appealing the conviction, you goddamned fucking retard.
Microsoft is ONLY appealing the *sentance*, you goddamned fucking retard.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:42:10 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:53:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >I need some help. I try compiling a kernel, completely stripped down with
> >only the necessary stuff I need for my comp, and I always use modules
> >when
>
> Welcome to Linsux!!
>
> You mean the simple make makedep make install didn't work properly?
>
> Oh my gosh this can't be?
>
> I mean Linsux is perfect is it not?
>
> ****Sarcasm on****************
>
> It worked fine for me.
> You must be an idiot.
>
> *****Sarcasm Off*****
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
Because youre a flathead.
Even if building a kernel for linux results in total failure, it is still
way better than the kernel-build you can do yourself (take whatever
win-version you wish)
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is not UNIX(tm)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 06:58:44 +1100
Mart van deWege wrote:
>
> Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
>
> > Alan Parker wrote:
> >
> >
> >> yeah, it's only a fucki'n clone based on Minix, another UNIX(tm) clone.
> >
> >
> > I don't have any idea what that rant was in aid of, but FYI Linux isn't based
> > on Minix.
> >
> > Bobby Bryant
> > Austin, Texas
>
> Bob,
>
> FYI, I haven't got the link handy, but it should be on the web
> somewhere. Building a fully functional UNIX clone out of Minix
> was *exactly* what Linus set out to do.
> You could try to search the archives for comp.os.minix, which is
> where it started, I came across quotes on the Net a few months
> ago but I don't know where, sorry. OTOH, I did come across the
> same quotes in chapter 6 'Outsider' in the book 'Free for all' by
> Peter Wayner.
> In conclusion: you do seem to be barking up the wrong tree here,
> unless I missed something. As I just aquired a computer 6 months
> ago my experience with Linux is still somewhat formative, so if I
> jump the gun here I apologize.
>
> Mart
I think the original intention was to enhance Minix, but Andy
Tannenbaum (spelling?) didn't like the idea so Linus built the
original kernel from scratch.
>From memory, Minix uses a microkernel, whereas Linux (and *most*
unices) are monolithic. Just to throw a spanner in the works, at
least one of the Mac Linux versions uses the Mach microkernel :-)
Microkernels were an academic holy grail in the 1980s. They allow
better abstraction from the hardware, but good modularisation of
the hardware-dependent parts of the code give almost as good a
level of abstraction without the performance hits.
In some respects a Java Virtual Machine is a microkernel.
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