Linux-Advocacy Digest #337, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Feb 01 00:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (WickedDyno)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Fred K Ollinger)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: .NET is plain .NUTS (Bloody Viking)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Andrew J. Brehm)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Emery Lapinski)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (WickedDyno)
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Information wants to be free, Revisited (Emery Lapinski)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:15:10 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > So far, no one has refuted my claims (which were basically that SSH isn't
> > secure and there are several exploitable vulnerabilities which exist
> > on a large number of installed SSH hosts). They continue to bash me,
> > call me names, and other infantile behaviors, but no one has addressed
> > these issues.
>
> Too bad this asshole has killfiled me (so he claims), so that he
> cannot read this rebuttal.
Now he is....heheheheh
>
> My source is Maximum Linux Security, Ch. 10.
>
> The main points:
>
> Secure Shell supports several algorithms, including
>
> Blowfish: http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html
> Triple DES: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div897/pubs/fip46-2.htm
> IDEA:
>http://www.nixu.fi/~pnr/netsec-lopulliset/1-0-practical-crypto.html#idea
>
> RSA: http://www.rsa.com
>
> and others. The idea is that flawed algorithms can be replaced
> without altering ssh's core protocol.
>
> The author then goes into great detail on installation and
> configuration, including a host of options that telnetd does
> not have.
>
> He talks about the companion program, scp, for secure copying.
> He talks about Tera Term Pro + TTSSH for Windows.
> He talks about using it on the Macintosh.
> He compares a telent session and an ssh session as seen by
> a network sniffer.
>
> Ssh can encrypt and X-Windows exchange. An extension will
> allow ssh to provide secure RPC sessions, useful in protecting
> NIS (the old yellow pages):
>
> ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/Local/informatik/sec_rpc/README.RPC
>
> PPP can be tunnelled between two networks atop standard ssh
> connections for a quick-and-dirty VPN.
>
> TCP forwarding options allow one to use it to communicate with
> outside entities from behind a firewall.
>
> Finally, he talks about ssh's significant security history,
> including buffer overflows and allowing users with expired
> accounts to initiate a session. "However, these problems
> were relatively minor and were eliminated in recent releases."
> In 1998, there was a buffer overflow in a Debian implementation.
>
> I'm looking at page 194 of Hacking Exposed, 2nd edition:
> "As this edition went to press, an NT/2000-compatible SSH server
> was just released at
>
> http://marvin.criadvantage/caspian/Software/SSHD-NT/default.php
>
> Secure Shell has been a mainstay of secure remote management
> on UNIX-based systems for many years, and it will be interesting
> to see if this new distribution will prove a robust
> command-line alternative to Terminal Server for remote
> management of NT/2000."
>
> Otherwise, this book talks about ssh only for the protection
> affords, not for its vulnerabilities.
>
> > If this is how security issues are addressed in the Unix word, I thank
> > God I only use Windows for the most part.
> >
> > Keep your head in the sand for all I care, it just shows your glaring
> > ignorance.
>
> The sad part is that, even those who have not been killfiled
> by Chad Myers cannot penetrate Chad's thick shell of ignorance,
> arrogance, contumely, contempt, childishness, and the great
> out-of-datedness of the information he claims to have imbibed,
> which no one else, somehow, knows about.
>
> But maybe some do penetrate it... and that's why he
> killfiles them, complete with *sigh* markers.
>
> Chris
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: WickedDyno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd,alt.fan.jeremy-reimer
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:16:18 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Peter Hayes wrote:
> >
> >
> > You obviously have no idea how much a video editor can create in 15
> > minutes
> > when on a roll. You suddenly see exactly how a scene should be cut, it
> > takes only a few minutes to assemble it to the point where you know
> > it's as
> > good as it'll ever be, then **SPLAT** the Mac seizes solid. and you
> > just
> > know you've lost all that work, and worse, you know you'll never be
> > able to
> > recreate it. But if you're not an editor you'll not understand.
>
> How does Windows/Linux/StudlyOS prevent your apps from crashing? When
> the app crashes, you lose the same amount of work whether or not the OS
> goes down too.
>
> -Peter
StudlyOS decompiles and rewrites your apps to eliminate bugs.
--
| Andrew Glasgow <amg39(at)cornell.edu> |
| SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical |
| reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat |
| to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods |
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:17:29 -0500
"Marada C. Shradrakaii" wrote:
>
> >And what's to stop the free product from being "really good" as well?
> >
>
> If the free product is "really good", the competition has to be "better than
> really good". And so on. If users can get X (the variable, not the window
> system) for free, you have to provide > X to free banknotes from users'
> wallets.
And THAT is what has Gates and Allchin and Allen FUCKING PISSED OFF!
> --
> Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
> Colony name not needed in address.
> This post is No. 54 056 in a limited edition of 700 000 000. Certificate of
> Authenticity attached.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:18:30 -0500
John Rudd wrote:
>
> Ziya Oz wrote:
> >
> > Edwin wrote:
> >
> > >> Software that comes unattached, without conditions, strings and
> > >> dependencies...as in "free" and not GPLed.
> > >
> > > You're thinking of Public Domain Software.
> >
> > No, I'm thinking of "free" software, as I described it. It's the GPL zealots
> > who pollute the language with their double speak. Why should we let them
> > decide what "free" is?
> >
>
> The only double speak here is coming from you. They are accurately using
> the word free, as defined within the english language. Free as a synonym
> of liberty and liberated.
>
> When, at the end of Roots, Alex Haley's family comes up over the ridge, do
> they say "We is Public Domain!"?
Oh, man.
> No, they say "We is free!"
>
> When William Wallace is screaming is fictionalized last breath, does he
> scream "Public Domain!"? No, he screams "Freedom!"
>
> The only double-speaking zealot here is you, trying to grind your tired old
> anti-GPL axe ... and as usual proving to the net that you're a moron.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 20 Feb 2001 04:19:42 GMT
Ziya Oz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Edwin wrote:
: >> Software that comes unattached, without conditions, strings and
: >> dependencies...as in "free" and not GPLed.
: >
: > You're thinking of Public Domain Software.
: No, I'm thinking of "free" software, as I described it. It's the GPL zealots
: who pollute the language with their double speak. Why should we let them
: decide what "free" is?
B/c english is 'free' still. Last time I checked, you could do anything
you wanted with the words, you didn't have to pay a license to communicate,
unless your friend's use MS word. :)
Anyway, why do you think you are 'letting' them do anything. Do you think
you can stop them? As I have written before, free is an abstract concept
and abstract concepts don't map onto real world very well so the whole thing
is fuzzy, and besides, it's impossible to satisfy all values of free. Really
a problem with abstractions but also w/ english a language which has two
completely different meanings to same word. It's in the dictionary, and it's
the users choice as to which one to pick. It's also partially caused by
our current obsession with making a buck. Making money seems to permeate
everything to the point where I can't even talk to people w/o them trying
to see some angle somewhere which I think is why GPL is so scary and
confusing to some people. Which I think is cool b/c they tend to be the same
money grubbers who'd sell me out in a heart-beat to make a dime, so why should
I be upset if they are scared? I'm glad.
good wishes,
Fred
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:23:49 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > About the only part of Cairo that was promised that never happened was
> > the
> > > > OO File system.
> > >
> > > Still lagging behind Unix...which has had an object oriented filesystem
> > > since the beginning.
> >
> > Proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are commenting on something
> > you don't understand.
>
> I can see how a deranged C programmer could confuse ioctls with
> objects. :)
>
The unix filesystem is the totally an object-oriented mode of thought
you can
tar cvf * /dev/rmt/tape1 and it does the right thing for a tape
tar cvf * /dev/hd3 and it does the right thing for a partition
tar cvf * /tmp/tmpfile and it does the right thing for a normal file
tar cvf * /tmp/named_pipe and it does the right thing for a named pipe
(assuming that /tmp/named_pipe is, in fact, a named pipe)
etc, etc.
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: .NET is plain .NUTS
Date: 20 Feb 2001 04:25:10 GMT
Craig Kelley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: insert floppy
: start FTP install
NFS install works pretty good too on a LAN with an "install server" holding on
its hard drive a copy of a CD. This server needn't always be up either if it's
a dedicated install server. This is the way I'd do it with a business LAN. You
take an old computer and use it for this. Either NFS or FTP install from a
hard drive will be faster than a CD drive in the same server.
If all your desktops have duplicate SCSI cards, an external SCSI hard drive
would be really fast. (assumes supported SCSI cards obviously)
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Brehm)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 05:24:44 +0100
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <1ep3cpw.15jor811qwvgrvN@[192.168.0.142]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Brehm) wrote:
>
> > ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > Please. This is one of the most absurd statements I've ever seen.
> > > It's blatantly false. You can use GPLed code in a project only if
> > > you wish to release that entire project under the GPL. BSD and many
> > > other licenses have no such restriction. GPL is viral. These other
> > > licenses are not.
> >
> > What is the problem with releasing the entire project under the GPL
> > as opposed to releasing it under a BSD license?
>
> Some people don't like the restrictions of GPL.
I see no restrictions but the needed ones.
> > > > Nobody has a "right to receive payment for his work".
> > > >
> > > > It depends on whether somebody is willing to pay for it.
> > >
> > > You're being needlessly pedantic. I meant, of course, that an
> > > author has a right to release his work under a license which
> > > requires people who make use of it to pay him.
> >
> > A legal right he has, a moral right I don't know.
>
> I don't see why someone who has invested time/money in creating
> something shouldn't be allowed to sell it at a profit.
We can talk about "selling it", and in fact this was often done. However
most software is not sold but licensed, and in contrast to a person
selling a chair, the vendor does not lose the property he is allegedly
"selling".
> > > > > Why does Apple do this? Simple self interest. If Apple's
> > > > > changes are in the main source tree, it means that Apple's code
> > > > > is maintained and improved by the community, and Apple can use
> > > > > later versions of the software in Mac OS X without having to
> > > > > reincorporate its modifications. Everyone wins. This kind of
> > > > > thing wouldn't work with GPL; Apple tries to keep the closed
> > > > > and open parts of OS X separate, but Apple still couldn't use
> > > > > GPLed code in its proprietary OS without serious potential
> > > > > licensing issues. A major corporation just can't risk that.
> > > >
> > > > Apple could make the kernel GPL. MacOS X (and NEXTSTEP) is a very
> > > > modular system.
> > >
> > > GPL does not permit linking proprietary software against GPLed
> > > libraries. This would make things tricky.
> >
> > Use the lesser GPL.
>
> But then Apple can't mix in GPL code, so what's the point?
I don't see why Darwin could not be released under the GPL as well.
--
Fan of Woody Allen
PowerPC User
Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Emery Lapinski)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 19 Feb 2001 20:25:30 -0800
"Information wants to be free" is just a metaphor, a different way
of thinking that can lead to insights. If you could visulaize
information you might see it ebb and flow and expand. It might flow
around obstructions or leak out of containers.
Other examples are memetics or "selfish genes".
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.panix.com/~ewl/
This post is Copyright 2000 Emery Lapinski and is distributed under the terms
and conditions of GNU's General Public License.
It's what the astronauts drink!
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From: WickedDyno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:26:48 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Nick Condon) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ziya Oz) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >John Jensen wrote:
> >
> >> It's fair that some people sell things, and some people give things
> >> away.
> >
> >Well, according to the Open Source zealots, it's not enough to just give
> >your stuff away, you have to GPL it!
>
>
> The zealots you refer to would probably be insulted by your reference to
> "open source". The big grand-daddy Old Testament-style zealot, Richard
> Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation, creator of the GPL,
> principle author of a big chuck of the GNU project, insists the term is
> Free Software, not Open Source.
>
> I don't agree with it, but here is the argument for reference:
>
> Why ``Free Software'' is better than ``Open Source''
> http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
>
> Stallman is certainly an abrasive character, but it's worth remembering
> that the only reason we have any kind of open source software today is
> because he is such a stubborn, uncompromising bastard. If he was anything
> less the GNU project would never have got started.
I think that Stallman is a zealot; a inflexible, overly idealistic
crusader with a paranoid streak a mile wide who has never heard of the
term "compromise" except in the context of "to compromise one's
principles".
That said, I admire him immensely. He is one of those people who
maddeningly, infuriatingly refuse to accept that the will of the
majority is right, that the status quo is by and large a good thing, and
has both the unmitigated gall and heinous presumption to actually do his
best to change things.
Agree with him. Disagree with him. Just don't ignore him, 'cause you
can't.
--
| Andrew Glasgow <amg39(at)cornell.edu> |
| SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical |
| reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat |
| to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods |
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:28:02 -0500
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ZnU wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <1ep39jk.p3hefehaa16oN@[192.168.0.142]>,
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Brehm) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only string is that derivatives must also be free. Thus
> > > > > > > > we claim it is free (as in liberty), and stays free.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That string is enough to severely limit the kinds of projects
> > > > > > > into which GPLed code can be incorporated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, it is the other licenses that limit the kinds of projects
> > > > > > into which GPLed code can be incorporated. The GPL discriminates
> > > > > > against nobody.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, and freedom is slavery, war is peace, and ketchup is a
> > > > > vegetable.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > For nutrition purposes, ketchup is a vegetable...unless they've
> > > > stopped using the manufacturers have stopped using tomato as the
> > > > primary (95%+) ingredient in favor of dog feces.
> > >
> > > Technically tomatoes are a fruit (although the FDA doesn't agree), and
> > > once the poor things have been processed into ketchup, they're devoid of
> > > all nutritional value. The joke is, of course, the Reagan tried to pass
> > > ketchup off as a vegetable in the context of funding of school lunch
> > > programs.
> >
> > 1) No, it wasn't Reagan....it was a bureacrat
>
> Obviously the President isn't personally responsible for school lunch
> menus, but it was under his administration.
>
> > 2) Read the back of a bottle of ketchup sometime.
> > a) Minerals don't break down under normal canning temps
> > b) Most vitamins are more EASILY utilized by the body
> > AFTER heating to canning temps.
>
> Heinz Tomato Ketchup:
>
> Serving size 17g.
> Calories 15
>
> Total Fat 0%
> Sat. Fat 0%
> Cholesterol 0%
> Sodium 8%
> Total Carb. 1%
> Fiber 0%
> Sugar 4g
> Protein 0g
> Vitamin A 6%
> Vitamin C 0%
> Calcium 0%
> Iron 0%
>
> Sorry, I don't see much in there.
Now, calculate the percentages for 17g of tomato.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Emery Lapinski)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: 19 Feb 2001 20:29:22 -0800
"Information wants to be free" is just a metaphor, a different way
of thinking that can lead to insights. If you could visulaize
information you might see it ebb and flow and expand. It might flow
around obstructions or leak out of containers. You might watch it
and attribute behaviors to it, and a will, and imagine that it
wants to be free.
Other examples are memetics or "selfish genes".
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.panix.com/~ewl/
This post is Copyright 2000 Emery Lapinski and is distributed under the terms
and conditions of GNU's General Public License.
It's what the astronauts drink!
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