Linux-Advocacy Digest #618, Volume #31 Sat, 20 Jan 01 18:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$% ("Jan Johanson")
Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: I just can't help it! ("Adam Warner")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Cliff Wagner)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Cliff Wagner)
Re: Windows curses fast computers (Edward Rosten)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Cliff Wagner)
Re: Windows curses fast computers (Edward Rosten)
Re: Windows curses fast computers ("Adam Warner")
Re: I just can't help it!
Re: I just can't help it! (J Sloan)
Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!?
Network installation (Yoram Levy)
Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (Cliff Wagner)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Re: What really burns the Winvocates here... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Re: Multiple standards don't constitute choice
Re: I just can't help it! ("Adam Warner")
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Date: 20 Jan 2001 15:56:46 -0600
"Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:h9mh6tk6jajl34me0arbgqpk395ouacolu@news...
> On 14 Jan 2001 21:04:13 -0600, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Notice the troll drops a big steamy one and then is nowhere to be
> heard when people follow-up to his article.
>
Unlike linux geeks - I have a social life and a paying job - hence, I do not
spend my entire being living for newsgroup posts - or worse, living
vicariously through other people's posts...
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: "The Linux Desktop", by T. Max Devlin
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:52:34 +0200
Reply-To: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
<SomeoneElse (SoneoneElse)> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:24:46 +0200, "Ayende Rahien"
> <Please@don't.spam> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >> > If he will install windows, he will need a LILO boot disk, because RH
> >> > wouldn't boot because Windows will overwrite the MBR.
> >> > He will have to reinstall LILO in the MBR if he wish to use Linux.
> >>
> >> Or make a Linux boot file using the dd command, and putting on a
floppy,
> >> installing windows, then putting the linux bootfile somewhere and
adding
> >> it to the list in boot.ini.
> >>
> >
> >Thanks, I remembered that this can be done, but not how.
> >However, wouldn't this work on NT only?
> >
> Yes if you are making an entry in boot.ini.
> Boot.ini is used by the NT bootloader and generally not installed win
> Win9* ( unless you use NT too).
Generally? You mean that 9x can actually use it if you add it manually?
I thought that only NT boot loader did it. I assume that if I add boot.ini
to 9x it would be ignored.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I just can't help it!
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:02:07 +1200
Hi Charlie,
> It has been my experience with Linux commercial gear, that they
> client will want and UPGRADE of his hardware for increased business
> demand before 3 years have gone by. And Linux will do 3 years straight
> uptime in a heartbeat.
With the proviso that if a security vulnerability is found in the kernel
(and it is relevant to the functioning of the servers) that the kernel will
have to be replaced and the servers rebooted.
Regards,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cliff Wagner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: 20 Jan 2001 21:59:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:59:13 GMT, Chad Myers typed something like:
>
>"Cliff Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:53:43 GMT, Chad Myers typed something like:
>>
>> >> >If you compare surveys from other parties (besides Netcraft), they
>> >> >mostly survey Fortune500, Global500, etc. Those numbers, IIS is
>> >> >in the lead or closely follows iPlanet and Apache is far behind.
>> >> >
>> >> >Netcraft is the only survey where Apache leads.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.biznix.org/surveys/
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>> and your only meaningful stat relates to fortune 500,
>> making the assertion that
>> the netcraft stats are skewed due to "my cat fluffy"
>> sites, yet never have backed up that claim with any
>> assertion other then "I said so" and "look at the
>> Fortune 500"...well, gee, we look at the fortune 500,
>> and that covers, well, gee, 500 companies. That
>> doesn't mean they are all meaningful players in the
>> web business.
>
>I have backed up my claim. I have shown that the web
>server stats for Fortune 500 companies varies greatly with
>the netcraft numbers. Why is there such a large discrepency?
>a.) Netcraft's survey method is grossly inaccurate and/or
> unscientific
>b.) Netcraft includes every site (including every
> invidiual virtual host) which leads to misleading numbers
> due to the large amount of low-traffic unimportant sites.
>
>So, if b is the case (which is my contention), and Apache is
>the winner, so what? Apache can be the king of low-traffic sites,
>I don't care. I want to see what server the people who have large
>amounts of money riding on their choice are choosing. And by
>and large they're choosing IIS and iPlanet.
>
>It's simple facts, I don't understand why you guys have such a
>hard time with it.
Probably because you make up your own analysis as opposed
to actually addressing what is on the page you are
so happy to quote:
======== BEGIN QUOTE FROM URL CHAD LOVES SO MUCH =====
The 1999 Fortune 500 list of companies ranks the top corporations
in the United States. We expected the results to be dramatically
different than the Netcraft results because upper management in
big business generally don't understand open source software (OSS).
They often forbid the use of OSS because they confuse it with the
FreeWare and ShareWare from the 1980s. They're not aware that
the quality of Apache rivals the commercial products and surpasses
the commercial products in terms of flexibility and functionality.
======= END QUOTE ====
That basically say that the Fortune500 is skewed due to business
politics (in case you have problems comprehanding it).
And are you ever going to get me a number of "all these unimportant
low-traffic sites" that run on apache? I know of a lot that
run on IIS as well. Hell, i've designed some for both platforms
(gotta love companies that believe, if you build it they will come)
If you're only argument is based on the biznix site, then address
what the sites says and why we should believe you instead
of the actual analysis of the page itself, or just cover
your ears and keep saying the same thing over and over. You might
even start believing it yourself if you say it long enough.
--
Cliff Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Visit The Edge Zone: http://www.edge-zone.net
"Man will Occasionally stumble over the truth, but most
of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."
-- Winston Churchill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cliff Wagner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: 20 Jan 2001 22:02:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:29:45 GMT, J Sloan typed something like:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>
>> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>
>And you carefully snipped my references to amazon, google, deja,
>which, like yahoo and other large sites, use apache.
>
>Nice try kid, but you're fighting a losing battle and we all know it.
>
>jjs
If there is one thing Chad is good at, it's snipping out every
thing except for the part he can keep parroting the same
argument in response to without ever addressing anything else.
If Microsoft certified that, he'd be an MCP of it.
--
Cliff Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Visit The Edge Zone: http://www.edge-zone.net
"Man will Occasionally stumble over the truth, but most
of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."
-- Winston Churchill
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:09:00 +0000
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, I think this *IS* a fault of the drive. The drive should hold
> > > enough capacitance to finish writing out it's cache and then park, but
> > > aparently the drive doesn't do this.
> >
> > And yet FreeBSD and Linux don't have this problem.
>
> How do you know? These drives only recently were released.
>
> Even if they don't, it's because FreeBSD and Linux don't shut down the
> computer when you halt the OS.
Linux can and does shut down computers. You're just making excuses for a
piece of bad software. Linux does not have this problem. Nor does any
other OS I know of except windows. There is NO excuse. It's a poor bug.
Why are you making excuses for it? Does it hurt you presonally that
Micros~1 can't make a decent OS?
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cliff Wagner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: 20 Jan 2001 22:07:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:43:52 GMT, Bob Hauck typed something like:
>On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:52:25 GMT, Chad Myers
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>If there's a Fortune 500 company whose business depends on their web site,
>>or a significant part of it, and they choose IIS, this means something.
>
>Please name one Fortune 500 whose business depends on their web site.
>Boeing...no. IBM...no. GM...no. Dow...no. GE...no. Well, there must
>_one_. Please enlighten me.
>
>--
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
Aww, c'mon Bob, everyone knows that if Boeing didn't sell their
quota of 777s off their website, they'd go bankrupt. Hell,
I bought 3 of them for christmas, then went to www.chevron.com
to buy the fuel to fly them to my parents house. What would
we ever do if the F500 didn't have web sites????
--
Cliff Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Visit The Edge Zone: http://www.edge-zone.net
"Man will Occasionally stumble over the truth, but most
of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."
-- Winston Churchill
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:19:25 +0000
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>flush the buffer to disk. How long is Windows supposed to wait before
> >>shutting down? The drive provides no way for the OS to know when the buffer
> >>is fully flushed, so what is the OS supposed to do?
> >>
> >>
>
> > It's supposed to WAIT on the fucking interrupt you god damn idiot!
>
> Wait, I know: it's the HW manufacturer's fault for not putting in a battery
> backup so that the drive can finish flushing the data AFTER Windows pulls
> the plug on the power. Dammit, this is the 21st century. Surely the IDE
> drive should have an embedded processor and a battery backup so that it can
> flush its own data after the power is off?
Do any high reliability drives have some kind of on board power backup
so they can finish writing if the power execpectedly dies? A small
lithium battery would provide enough power for a few seconds.
I really wouldn't expect this in standard PC IDE drives, though.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows curses fast computers
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:33:34 +1200
Hi Edward,
> Do any high reliability drives have some kind of on board power backup
> so they can finish writing if the power execpectedly dies? A small
> lithium battery would provide enough power for a few seconds.
>
> I really wouldn't expect this in standard PC IDE drives, though.
I wouldn't expect it at all since it is the job of a UPS to maintain power
for the computer and peripherals in event of a power cut.
At the time this story broke Microsoft's reaction to it was "exemplary":
http://www2.itworld.com/cma/ett_article_frame/0,2848,1_2669,00.html
"Microsoft will build the fix into copies of the operating system loaded on
new systems, but is not releasing it to the public. If you're already
running Windows 98 SE or Windows Me on a system with a 933-MHz or faster
processor and a large-cache hard disk, Microsoft recommends you check with
your PC vendor about availability of the patch."
Regards,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: I just can't help it!
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:41:54 -0000
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:02:07 +1200, Adam Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi Charlie,
>
>> It has been my experience with Linux commercial gear, that they
>> client will want and UPGRADE of his hardware for increased business
>> demand before 3 years have gone by. And Linux will do 3 years straight
>> uptime in a heartbeat.
>
>With the proviso that if a security vulnerability is found in the kernel
>(and it is relevant to the functioning of the servers) that the kernel will
>have to be replaced and the servers rebooted.
When is the last time a Linux security advisory has included
the kernel?
--
The ability to type
./configure
make
make install
does not constitute programming skill. |||
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I just can't help it!
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:43:34 GMT
Adam Warner wrote:
> Hi Charlie,
>
> > It has been my experience with Linux commercial gear, that they
> > client will want and UPGRADE of his hardware for increased business
> > demand before 3 years have gone by. And Linux will do 3 years straight
> > uptime in a heartbeat.
>
> With the proviso that if a security vulnerability is found in the kernel
> (and it is relevant to the functioning of the servers) that the kernel will
> have to be replaced and the servers rebooted.
There has been some work done on the concept of
upgrading a Linux kernel in place, so that no reboot is
required - not mainstream yet, but quite likely doable.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Is Bill Gates MAD?!?!?
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:44:16 -0000
On 20 Jan 2001 15:40:27 GMT, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>:>That's the purpose.
>:>
>:>Wish we had them here in the Cleveland area, which has a fourth of
>
>: U-Turns are generally illegal in Ohio, aren't they?
>
>In most municipal corporations, yes. The quality of our streets and
>our drivers is fairly low, even by urban U.S. standards (Detroit's
Don't be too sure of that. There are some places that
are considerably worse...
[deletia]
--
Common Standards, Common Ownership.
The alternative only leads to destructive anti-capitalist
and anti-democratic monopolies.
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From: Yoram Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Network installation
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:44:28 -0600
At installation, Corel Linux did not recognize the DLINK 220 NIC
(ISA).
How do I install it manually?
Thanks
Yoram
--
Smadar and Yoram Levy
St. Louis, MO
ICQ : 602686
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel space? Who gives a @#$%
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:48:12 -0000
On 20 Jan 2001 15:56:46 -0600, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:h9mh6tk6jajl34me0arbgqpk395ouacolu@news...
>> On 14 Jan 2001 21:04:13 -0600, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Notice the troll drops a big steamy one and then is nowhere to be
>> heard when people follow-up to his article.
>>
>
>Unlike linux geeks - I have a social life and a paying job - hence, I do not
>spend my entire being living for newsgroup posts - or worse, living
>vicariously through other people's posts...
This is no excuse.
If you can't spare the time to actually back up your trolling,
you shouldn't bother to begin with.
--
Ease of use should be associated with things like "human engineering"
and "use the right tool for the right job". And of course,
"reliability", since stopping to fix a problem or starting over due
to lost work are the very antithesis of "ease of use".
Bobby Bryant - COLA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cliff Wagner)
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: 20 Jan 2001 22:47:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:40:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed something like:
>On 20 Jan 2001 03:30:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cliff Wagner)
>wrote:
>
>
>>I liked this one....better then usual from steve.
>>"scouring the net"....
>>open www.lycos.com
>>search: "font howto"
>>gee, what do the top 4 results all have in common?
>>Yups, they're all for the FDU Howto.
>
>
>Assuming one can actually get a connection to the net.
>Read the setup groups for some idea of how many people seem unable to
>accomplish that amazing feat.
>
>Secondly the point was that the Linonuts are in such denial around
>here, you mention ugly fonts and they say you are crazy, yet one of
>the chapters from their very gospel of truth ((The How-To's) admits
>the problem, and also admits BTW that this is only a partial solution.
>
>Thirdly why should I have to scour the net looking for ways to make
>Linsux usable. I don't do that with WIndows.
>
>Nope, Linux sux right out of the box and there is simply too much net
>surfing to repair it and make it usable to make it worth my time.
You're the one who said "scouring the net" which to any
person with half a brain would imply being in some way
connected. I was simply addressing your claim.
Also, this is an aesthetic point, not a usability point.
vi if much fuglier then vim when editing any sort of
source code, but that hardly makes it unusable.
Oh, and standard install of mandrake 7.2 running konqueror
looks just fine to me. Browsing sharky extreme using
my cordless _wheel_ mouse to navigate while listening to
MP3s and licq running off to the side. Yups, my linux install
is unusable. Maybe Microsoft can tell me where I want to go
today so that I know what I should be doing.
But back to the point....
Your claim of "scouring the net for hours" either makes
you a liar or an idiot, since it would take the average
user all of 1 minute to find it on the net.
--
Cliff Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Visit The Edge Zone: http://www.edge-zone.net
"Man will Occasionally stumble over the truth, but most
of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."
-- Winston Churchill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:51:18 -0000
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:01:30 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:94cfpp$jo9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >Not really. The only benchmark I've seen Linux win was with a web server
>> >that no one uses. One benchmark. Please show me ones where Linux wins
>> >(oh yeah, and the FUD ones from c't don't count, only major reputible
>> >companies with standardized benchmarks, not grudges against Microsoft).
>>
>> So c't, who has a Spec license (can Mindcraft say that?) and comes from
>> the same people who, in a magzine called "ix" extensively cover Windows NT,
>> now has "grudges against Microsoft"?
>>
>> Maybe you should, just for a change, *read* the magazine you are criticizing?
>
>Please show me an article in c't that is favorable to Microsoft.
>
>Just one.
>
>Thank you.
That would merely be a correlation.
There's more than one possible explanation for the situation.
It's just that you don't like the other possibilities.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What really burns the Winvocates here...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:54:27 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> > It uses the Gtk library. How am I wrong? Does it use the Qt library? No
> > it doesn't.
>
> Nope - it uses neither.
> Only "gnome-linuxconf" uses any X libraries
Is there a KDE-linuxconf then?
> > > You can access it through a web interface.
> >
> > I tried that, it died for some reason.
>
> Well "died" is unlikely - more likely you didn't enable web access.
No it died. It displayed the first page, then thereafter the browser
reported an error (page not found).
> > Yes I tried that too. Unfortunately, it obscures any error message it
> > reports making it a less than useful system tool.
>
> I don't see that problem here.
You mean you don't get the text window sitting on top of any error message
obscuring it?
> Perhaps you are telneting in from a windows pc?
All three:
On the local machines console;
telnet from a linux machine;
telnet from a windows machine.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:55:57 -0000
On 20 Jan 2001 20:37:52 GMT, Lewis Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Aaron R. Kulkis was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
>alt.linux.sux on 19 Jan 2001
>
>>Lewis Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Aaron R. Kulkis was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> in alt.linux.sux on 16 Jan 2001
>>>
>>> >Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >Translation...
>>> >the $200 product [Lose9x] crashes every couple of hours
>>> >the $1000 product [LoseNT] crashes only once/week.
>>> >The $25 product [Linux] will stay up for months.
>>> ^^^
>>> $25?!?! Damn you're gettin ripped off.. last I checked Linux was
>>> free. :) I've never paid for it. Even my CD versions.
>>
>>It's nice having the manuals around, for distribution quirks/features
>>so that you can loan it to a friend with some degree of confidence that
>>they will return your linux disks within a reasonable amount of time.
>
>Manuals? Last I checked they were on the CD.
>
>>> Besides forget NT get 2000 if you're going to run a Windows box.
>>
>>Why would i want to do something as stupid as that?
>
>Um, because 2000 supports a hell of a lot more hardware than NT. 2000 is a
>lot more stable than NT. 2000 has more tools than NT.
It also supports less hardware than Win9x.
It also supports less software than Win9x.
I've had desktop applications choke during Win2k installs.
Some older and newer hardware is not supported by Win2k
(voodoo rush, logitech quickcam).
--
Ease of use should be associated with things like "human engineering"
and "use the right tool for the right job". And of course,
"reliability", since stopping to fix a problem or starting over due
to lost work are the very antithesis of "ease of use".
Bobby Bryant - COLA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Multiple standards don't constitute choice
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:01:49 -0000
On 20 Jan 2001 07:14:32 -0600, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Everyone goes on about how Linux offers me the 'choice' of which desktop I
>> can use, unlike Windows. However, choice here does not equate to consistant
>> style.
>
>> If I want all my file save/open dialogs to all look the same - like the KDE
>> style, or MOTIF or Gtk, can I do that with the Linux desktop? No I can't -
>> my choice is restricted here to whatever toolktip the application is
>> created with.
>
>True, with X you frequently have toolkit clashing. But, I look at it this
Is this really a 'bad' thing. If each desktop "does it's own
thing", don't you REALLY WANT visible obvious cues to tell
you that AppA might have a certain set of quirks and AppB
might have another?
>you have so many apps that do the exact same thing across different toolkits.
>You just pick your apps that are linked to your favorite toolkit.
[deletia]
--
>
> ...then there's that NSA version of Linux...
This would explain the Mars polar lander problem.
Kyle Jacobs, COLA
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I just can't help it!
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:09:03 +1200
Hi jedi,
> >With the proviso that if a security vulnerability is found in the kernel
> >(and it is relevant to the functioning of the servers) that the kernel
will
> >have to be replaced and the servers rebooted.
>
> When is the last time a Linux security advisory has included
> the kernel?
Redhat, etc. has actually shipped a number of them:
Here's one advisory. It was only 7 months ago:
http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2000-037-05.html
(A security bug involving setuid programs is fixed in this kernel)
This one was also serious enough to require a kernel upgrade:
http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHBA-2000013-01.html
(data corruption on x86)
And this one with Redhat 6.0:
http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/kernel99_06_03.html
(remote users can crash the kernel)
Regards,
Adam
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