Linux-Advocacy Digest #618, Volume #34 Sat, 19 May 01 05:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front (GreyCloud)
Re: Sea Change (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm! (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (Terry Porter)
Re: Win 9x is horrid ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Terry Porter)
Re: Microsoft BACKDOORS AGAIN! MORE CHEATERY!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:49:38 -0700
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Michael Vester wrote:
> > >
> > > ecnal nillaf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello linvocates! (hello winvocates too)
> > > >
> > > > First I have to say, I am not that technical and I am *not* in the
> > > > computer trades fields at all.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just a security guard (you know us, underachievers inc. )
> > > >
> > > I have done my share of security guarding too. It can be very difficult
> > > and demanding. I used the long hours at quiet sites to advance my
> > > education. Computers were still million dollar machines in air-conditioned
> > > rooms back then. A good friend of mine is a security guard. He has a lap
> > > top which he uses at quiet sites. He is very intelligent and is a pretty
> > > decent coder, too.
> > >
> > > > anyway ... I got my first computer in 1995 ... just something to play
> > > > with. Win95 was installed, I didn't know about any other OS (except I had
> > > > previously heard of IBM and MAC)
> > > >
> > > > Anyway ... admittedly ... win95 was GREAT! (initially) it looked good,
> > > > it was fairly easy to learn how to get around with all the gui menus and
> > > > whatnot.
> > > >
> > > Typical and normal newbie reaction. I was once a user of losedos too. I
> > > thought it was pretty.
> > >
> > > > Fortunately I have a younger brother (I'm 37) who is a network security
> > > > specialist working for a prominent company that has programs for both
> > > > windows and linux. Anyway ... My brother is fairly knowledgeable in more
> > > > than just the network security aspect.
> > > >
> > > It helps to have a technical family member. I am the families tech
> > > support. My father, 65 years old, is now a happy Linux user. He was badly
> > > burned by virii. He used to run a losedos 95 system. His Linux system is
> > > completely invunerable to virii. I can effortlessly support him via ssh.
> > >
> > > > cutting to the chase ....
> > > >
> > > > anyway ... it has been a great joy (and many frustrations) plunking away
> > > > with both windows and linux (and a little in dos) I still feel that I
> > > > don't know anything ... but I guess I'm a little above the average user?
> > > > Maybe I'm what they call a power user? Who knows? Who is john Galt?
> > > > hehehe anyway ...
> > > >
> > > You are doing great. You have an interest in how things work. I have been
> > > working in the IT field for 14 years and I feel like I don't know
> > > anything. I think as long as you feel that way, you will survive and do
> > > well.
> > >
> > > > I bounced back in forth with linux and windows about 2 years ago ... I
> > > > have a dual boot system with win98 on the other hard drive ... but ... I
> > > > rarely use windows, I can't tell you totally why I rarely use windows
> > > > anymore and I can't tell you why i still keep win98 on any hard drive?
> > > >
> > > > That's what i'm trying to say ... there are uses for both ... As far as
> > > > the evilness of MS-Windows ... well ... did those larger companies have
> > > > to agree to play by Gates' rules? Was billy boy the only game in town?
> > > > He either had a product that they wanted ... or he did not
> > > > ... and they agreed to those terms (which terms I thought sucked ... but
> > > > who am I?). I'm not going to get into this game about who is more evil
> > > > and the roots of windows and linux. Let the superior product succede the
> > > > most!
> > > >
> > > The story of Bill Gates rise to world domination is a fascinating one. It
> > > has been mentioned on this news group that Bill and Al Capone share many
> > > values. I tend to agree. Microsoft did not get so big by just selling
> > > crappy software.
> > >
> > > > For me ... Linux is that superior product. I can only give a few reasons
> > > > why (for now) but most of it (after the learning curve) is based on feel
> > > > (don't tell my fellow objectivists that I said that!).
> > > >
> > > You demonstrate remarkable insight.
> > >
> > > > Reasons linux is better for me (just an "at home" user)....
> > > >
> > > > 1. I learn a lot more about the nuts and bolts of the system .. the hood
> > > > isn't welded shut as it is in ms-windows (and mac and amiga???? etc etc?)
> > > >
> > > Never call yourself "just a security guard" You have demonstrated more
> > > technical savvy than many so called IT professionals. You are more than
> > > just a job title.
> > >
> > > > 2. Things run smoother (for the most part, most of the time... no OS is
> > > > without blemish, NO OS at all! )
> > > >
> > > An inevitable observation.
> > >
> > > > 3. I live in screwed up New Mexico (Albuquerque) where we grow
> > > > micro-chips in our backyard (INTEL at Rio Rancho) but have shitty phone
> > > > lines, ("dial-up only" for most areas) and the cable company hasn't
> > > > finished installing everything necessary to get my greatly desired cable
> > > > modem access yet! aaarrrrggghhh! so ... point is ... do you want to
> > > > d-load windos bloatware? I'll take the .tar files anytime over that (at
> > > > least with this slow ass dial-up here)
> > > >
> > > I am spoiled living in the most online city in the world, Edmonton. Thats
> > > in Canada, eh. I have been connected through a cable modem for the last 4
> > > years. If cable is not your thing, ADSL is offered by 4 different
> > > companies. There is a wireless service available at about 2.5 megabits per
> > > second. Dial-up is a dying beast around here.
> > >
> > > > 4. I don't really play "Quake" or anything like that ... I use my
> > > > computer for learning more about the OS and also for chatting, e-mailing,
> > > > viewing pics, browsing, and when I do play any games I like xlincity and
> > > > that penguin solitaire game ... and maybe xfrisk ... and that's about it,
> > >
> > > I have a Nintendo 64 for games.
> > >
> > > > I really don't have time in my busy (under-achiever) life to mess with
> > > > games ... use windos for that untill linux gets better and easier for the
> > > > neophyte. I am planning to take some unix courses at the local community
> > > > college soon, I would like to get certification in any distro of linux or
> > > > unix ... but I have a lot more to learn.
> > > >
> > > You are not an under-achiever. You have accomplished a great deal and just
> > > keep doing what you are doing. It takes time. I have been using Linux for
> > > 2 years and I have been working as a web application developer for 6
> > > months on a Solaris. I still have much to learn. Just remember in the
> > > Unix/Linux world, everything you learn will be valid years later. In the
> > > losedos world, everything you learn has to be relearned every time
> > > Microsoft releases yet another losedos. I moved into a Solaris environment
> > > with ease, just from what I learned running my own Linux servers.
> > >
> > > > 5. oh yeah ... whenever things might lock up in linux ... (and they
> > > > rarely do for me) I can hit ctrl+alt+backspace and I don't lose my
> > > > connection! and I still have a command line to work with! That beats
> > > > win98 all to hell and back (as far as I am concerned) just that point
> > > > right there is worth the switch.
> > > >
> > > The X-server crashed. Linux still keeps ticking. I have managed to crash
> > > Linux once. I took a zip disk out of the drive without umounting it. My
> > > mistake. Otherwise, it runs for months. Only our flakey power grid brings
> > > it down. Just added a much larger UPS, anticipating many blackouts this
> > > summer. Currently, one of my Linux boxes has an uptime of 145 days. Not
> > > bad for a 10 year old 486.
> > >
> > > > 6. SuSe and RedHat are geared for the GUI lovers and newbies :) try it
> > > > ... stick with it ... you'll like it! especially if you have a lower end
> > > > system! (I have a P-II 400 ) (just got this recently ... I moved up from
> > > > my used p-120 that I bought for $300) (I'm a guard, I'm poor, I make do)
> > > >
> > > You have a decent system for Linux.
> > >
> > > > I could think of many more reasons ... but hell ... the point is ... if
> > > > you love windos ... and can't deal with anything else ... fine ... use
> > > > what works for you. I won't hate you, just don't think you are superior
> > > > or I'll smash you! :p
> > > >
> > > Those losedos advocates often sound like they are superior. Their
> > > enthusiasm seems to be evaporating with the looming release of losedos XP
> > > (eXtra Profits by forcing software rental on unsuspecting users). Or .NOT
> > > your applications over the net. Not only will you be inconvienienced by
> > > buggy software but now network problems will add to the uncertainty.
> > > Imagine not being able to run month end because a router two thousand
> > > miles away has failed.
> > >
> > > > I am happy I pulled all my hair out and learned a few things about linux,
> > > > hehehe I'm staying with Linux untill the next thing better OS comes out
> > > > (FreeBSD? whew ... not for me ... not yet anyway ... sounds like it would
> > > > be fun to get to know though)
> > > >
> > > No pain, no gain. Losedos advocates want everything to be spoon fed to
> > > them. Their concept of a great operating system is one that gives you
> > > little choice so they don't have to think. Thinking and advocating losedos
> > > are mutually exclusive.
> > >
> > > > BTW ... I'm using RedHat 7.0 with gnome and sawfish (I sometimes use
> > > > iceWM).
> > > >
> > > > the other gripe I have: Distro and Desktop wars ... sheesh ... use what
> > > > you can deal with and what you like ... linux needs a united front ... who
> > > > cares what distro and what desktop ... use what you like!!
> > > >
> > > You make a very valid point. The LSB (Linux Standard Base) is an attempt
> > > to bring order.
> > >
> > > > Okay ... I'm done ranting ... I feel better now.
> > > >
> > > > Hasta La Pasta amigos!
> > > >
> > > > Lance from sunny and under-connected New Mexico
> > >
> > > You posted a great Linux advocacy posting. The best one I have seen in
> > > quite a while. Keep on posting.
> > >
> > > I take too many shots at losedos to be a good advocate. It is a difficult
> > > habit to break. I have seen too many losedos failures. But at least I am
> > > credible with a real name and a real email address. Most losedos
> > > advocates are anonymous. Obviously, they don't really believe in what they
> > > are advocating. It almost seems that they are ashamed. They are probably
> > > individuals that like to just troll and/or argue without any interest in
> > > what they are arguing about.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Vester
> > > A credible Linux advocate
> > >
> > > "The avalanche has started, it is
> > > too late for the pebbles to vote"
> > > Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
> >
> > How are things in Edmonton anyway?? I used to have a childhood friend
> > that lived here and was later sent to live in Edmonton. Unfortunately,
> > he was sent to a school that (christian) made him harvest potatoes in
> > the summer... his parents went to the carrabean area to do their
> > thing... sad! But my father had a Hallicrafter radio and listened to
> > the Edmonton station a lot... he too was a potatoe harvester as a
> > child! Strange coincidences!
> >
> > --
> > V
> Edmonton is quite dry right now. We have not had any rain or snow for
> almost 6 months. Edmonton is in the heart of bible belt. I recently
> applied for an IT manager for a Christian college. They probably rolled
> some chicken bones over my resume and determined that I was not a true
> believer. No response, but I am hardly surprised. This college has been
> through the legal system because they fired a professor because he was
> gay.
>
Unfortunate for the professor. But it's typical.
They used the chicken bones because they won't use dice. :-)
> I realized at a very young age (like 5) that all religions are incorrect.
> I especially don't go for the omnipotent being generating souls, running
> them through the laboratory maze of of life and then determining a
> positive or negative everlasting existence. Standard Christian dogma. If
> that is what it is all about, whats the point? Seems like quite a bother
> to create the universe just to run us through a maze.
>
Both wife and I agree on this. What's the point of a one time shot of
existence?
I left their dogma behind a long long time ago.
> I am just a simple agnostic living amongst a whole bunch of Christians.
> All I ask for is hard physical evidence. Right now, proof of the existence
> of UFO's is much stronger than the proof that Jesus Christ existed. A
> tiny bit (smudged photo's, unreliable eye witness accounts, shaky videos)
> is much more than none. Pretty pathetic omnipotent being if he/she/it
> can't muster up any evidence to convince me. I could go on and on, and I
> have on alt.atheism.moderated.
>
As you may have heard our gov. say "There is no such thing as UFOs".
The obverse was never mentioned... they are all identified. (IDOs).
(???)
> What radio station does your father listen too? There are still over a
> dozen operating. Probably CKUA, an eclectic station that was once owned
> and operated by our provincial government. About 8 years ago, our
> government decided to get out things governments should not be in like
> radio stations. This little radio station is still alive, making its way
> on donations much like your PBS.
>
My father passed away in 77. He used an old vacuum tube Halicrafter. It
was a damn good radio.
> I can't see a Christian school doing very well by growing potatoes. The
> climate and soil are not ideal for potatoes. Anyways, I thought all that
> was done by machines. My farmer uncle's hardest activity is climbing up
> the ladder to get into his air-condtioned tractor. I guess some
> Christians believe the more you suffer in life, the greater the reward
> after you die.
>
> --
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
>
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sea Change
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:58:36 -0700
Mike Martinet wrote:
>
> Interconnect wrote:
> >
> > If it *works* for you fine, my guess is...
> >
> > You like Napster and MSmedia Player. i.e Things that make your machine *RUN*
>
> I like Gnotella, Winamp and Cool Edit.
>
> >
> > Your e-mail consumes 4hours plus a day, of trivial text messages and video
> > snippets that MS Windows runs perfectly.
>
> The only video I can get to run on Win95 is mpg. Oh, and some Real
> stuff works.
>
> >
> > CLI is evil.
>
> CLI is for people who like computers. It doesn't hurt to be able to
> touch-type, either.
>
> >
> > You wait for the day for MS Visual Studio lets you write efficient programs
> > with a simple Wizard.
>
> I'm waiting for the day when MS Visual Studio has a drag-and-drop
> alphabet bar so all the mousers won't have to touch the ugly keyboard
> anymore.
>
> MjM
(Velcome to my office! What seems to be the matter? Oh! Your wrist
hurts and you can barely move it? Then don't do that!) Carpal tunnel
syndrome can be caused by the mouse so much quicker.
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:03:45 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Jan Johanson wrote:
> Actually quite the contrary. Can you point to ANY successful open source
> business? Didn't think so. I don't expect we'll see any either. Hows Ezael
> doing?
No, but operating systems are the redundant parts of any system. A ton
of businesses use FreeBSD and Linux to run critical stuff on, and a lot
of universities do too. You obviously put a big emphasis on how much
money the vendors of operating systems are making, and MS obviously
makes a good profit in this area. But how much money the OS vendors are
making has zero to do with the quality of the OS's they produce. I
think it's worth paying for software that performs a certain task, but
the OS itself is the most redundant. Everyone runs an OS, but others
need custom applications that run on the OS. Thus, I don't think it's
very necessary to pay a dime for an OS.
> Sure which is why using vbscript in wsh is a cheap alternative. Or using
> javascript in wsh. or perl in wsh... etc.
I'd prefer sticking to perl, java, and javascript, because they are
portable and multi-platform.
> fortunately wsh lets you run several languages for scripts. vb and java
> being the two primary with C# being the next in line...
Wow, so do all the unix shells! Imagine that. And Linux costs much
less than W2K.
> unix is definately more adapt on the cmd line, I wouldn't argue there. I
> never said W2K was _easy_ in the cmd line - it's a GUI OS after all ...
Yeah, that's just it. What happens if something happens to the video
driver? If seen cases where the video driver went kaput on Windows, and
the screen was a total mess, because nothing was refreshing. But the OS
itself was still running. What are you going to do then? At least on
unix systems you can shut down X11, and still examine what's going on
via the command line. Or you can just restart X11 if you want to. This
is impossible on Win 2000 AFAIK, because the window system is so tightly
integrated into everything else. You could always telnet or ssh into
the Windows 2000 box, but it's kind of tough for the sysadmin, who would
probably prefer to just reboot the thing to restore the display,
although she may just prefer to leave the thing running as is if it's
being used for something critical.
So there, GUI-based systems are at a disadvantage at the outset. But
then, I don't know how often the display driver goes so bad that you
can't see anything on Windows. Not often would be my guess, although
you are still at the mercy of your video HW and drivers.
> The fact is W2K, like other good OSes, can stay up and running as long as
> the user wants it to, i.e., it doesn't crash on it's own for no good reason.
> IT took a while to get to where I can finally say that without any fear of
> proof to the contrary but that time is now. W2K is rock stable. Period.
The fact is that Linux can do the same exact thing. What is your
point? Yipee, W2k can do the same exact thing as a freely available,
open source operating system. Now, there is something new!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:12:56 -0700
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> wendy wrote:
> >
> > I tried to install Mandrake 8.0 on my Athlon based system and it
> > virtually destroyed all of my data.
> >
> > It overwrote my Bootmagic bootloader with some "grubby" thing and
> > rendered my win 2000 partition useless.
> >
> > I lugged the entire system to CompUSA where I bought it and they got
> > it back for me thank goodness without any data loss.
> >
> > They also told me that they get many customers in there who try to
> > install Linux and it trashes their systems....
> >
> > What a piece of crap this Linux garbage is...
> >
> > And before you tell me everything I have done wrong I told Linux to
> > install on the Linux drive, not the mbr. It still put that grubby
> > thing in there.
> >
> > Good name for a linux program..
> >
> > wendy
>
> A new handle for our cute and loveable Flatfish?
>
> --
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
>
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
Nope!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:15:31 -0700
kosh wrote:
>
> wendy wrote:
>
> > I tried to install Mandrake 8.0 on my Athlon based system and it
> > virtually destroyed all of my data.
> >
> > It overwrote my Bootmagic bootloader with some "grubby" thing and
> > rendered my win 2000 partition useless.
> >
> > I lugged the entire system to CompUSA where I bought it and they got
> > it back for me thank goodness without any data loss.
> >
> > They also told me that they get many customers in there who try to
> > install Linux and it trashes their systems....
> >
> >
> > What a piece of crap this Linux garbage is...
> >
> > And before you tell me everything I have done wrong I told Linux to
> > install on the Linux drive, not the mbr. It still put that grubby
> > thing in there.
> >
> > Good name for a linux program..
> >
> >
> > wendy
> >
>
> Abject stupidity does make it hard to install an OS I do agree with that. I
> have watched many people install mandrake who have never used linux before
> and even managed to get it to boot their w2k systems without problems by
> just reading the instructions it had as they went. When they had a question
> they did the intelligent thing and instead of blindly clicking they
> lookated at the help that is part of the mandrake installer.
>
> Compusa here sells a lot of linux cds and gets very few returned with any
> problems. Next time learn a little before doing something. I have seen
> people with your level of knowledge do just as much damage to a system
> using w2k.
Notice that wendy couldn't install windows tho!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:24:58 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Well, it would be nice if you included the link.
>
> In any event, I can imagine that they might use linux for their custom
> stuff, since they used to use SGI's (and probably still do), but I can't
> imagine them converting their modeling stations and such that are using
> common rendering software.
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > From ZDNET... looks like Linux has pre-empted Windows NT recently in
> > Hollywood.
> > Read the article and see for yourselves... LucasFilm ltd. has converted
> > mostly to Linux!
> > And a few other film producers as well. After all, they do want to cut
> > costs.
> >
> > --
> > V
Just for you...
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2761566,00.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 May 2001 08:37:07 GMT
On Fri, 18 May 2001 20:55:39 -0700,
Paolo Ciambotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I see "flatfish" has replied to "wendy" in a futile attempt to lend
> legitimacy to the original post.
It sure seems so.
> Where have we seen this before?
Let me see if I can remember ..... oh yeah ........ COLA and
"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish and possibly 'Wendy'"
> Maybe
> back when "mike" used to corroborate posts from "heather"? And "steve"
> used to get a dialogue on with "amy"?
Good memory you have there Paolo :)
> And it was frickin' obvious to the
> rest of us it was all the same person?
Yep, next this Wintroll will be accusing Linux advocates of having
nothing else to do but read the headers.
>
> Gawd, this is getting old.
Yeah,
"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish, and possibly 'Wendy'"
has been at it since around 1997, that I can recall.
In fact this person is the only multiple personality
I have ever seen on COLA.
A big "HI" to all of Steve's persona's :)
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Terry
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 9x is horrid
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:48:44 -0500
"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > I have to disagree with you there. This will stop the casual pirate,
> > e.g. the person who has Win/Office at work and 'borrows' it to take it
> > home for their own use. They won't want to go hunting out warez sites
> > for a >100MB download.
>
> Every big city has its "Sunday Market" where for �15-20 you can get
> virtually any mainstream software for the Wintel platform on CD, plus,of
> course, Win98-2000. I suppose if they really want Windows-XP and/or
> Offfice-XP they'll hunt out these stalls.
Sorry, I can tell you for a fact that no such "sunday market" exists in my
area, and it's a metropolitan area of more than 2 million people and one of
the top advertising markets.
There is the occasional (once to twice a year) "fairgrounds" sale, where
I've seen black market stuff, but there are only a few hundred people that
attend these sales.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 May 2001 08:54:51 GMT
On Sat, 19 May 2001 06:55:12 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> > I installed Mandrake 8.0 on my old PC166 - it went ok. I see the
>> > installer has improved. I'm still mystified by the 'select % of packages
>> > you want installed' - how can you install 45% of gcc, I wonder? 8)
>>
>> Mandrake just doesn't install smaller apps or games, in that case
>> I assume.
>
> You assume - you don't know!
No I have no idea, its just an assumption as I stated, is this a crime now ?
>
>> > I've not tried it on my dual network AMD Duron 850MHz, the one with SuSE
>> > 7.1 and the manually started DHCP. Why should I go through yet-another-
>> > install for a package that didn't work too well with 7.1 and 7.2?
>>
>> Fun ;-)
>
> If I want fun, I go play Serious Sam, Undying or Unreal Tournament.
Point taken.
Education ?
> All
> of them with 3D positional audio. It's quite an experience, and currently
> _not available_ on Linux.
>
>> Find out why, and fix it ?
>
> Delete it and use something that works?
Thats always another alternative.
>
>> > I've seen recommendations elsewhere to _not_ do this.
>>
>> Yeah, I think that seamless upgrades are just not possible, either with
>> Linux OR Windows.
>
> Yet I've done a few upgrades with Windows and they appear to work.
You have to be the most gifted Windows user, and the most cursed
Linux user I've ever met Pete.
My daughters old boyfriend tried upgrading Win95 to Win98 about 13 months ago
.... result was a pc that was unbootable.
Now they are computer illiterate, granted, but they just followed
the instructions, and it rendered their pc unbootable. This is my feedback
on such 'easy' Windows upgrades.
>
>> At least with Linuxits as easy as saving your /home dir,then just
>> installing the new version from scratch.
>
> That saves your data... well that's not hard on Windows.
It also saves *all* my configs, for *all* my applications,
Window Managers, shell scripts etc.
Can you spell CONFIGS Pete ?
In Linux, CONFIGS or 'dot files' set the look and feel of all
the apps, which are usually different for every Linux user.
And because Linux is a multi user platform, we usually have more than
one user account on our Linux boxen, so others can run our apps,
from an in-house network,or even from another country, over the
internet.
Easy saving of all configs, bookmarks, news_posts, etc, are saved
in the /home directory for a reason, and thats to make upgrading,
re-installs etc, as EASY as possible.
Linux makes life easier for its users, in many of ways.
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft BACKDOORS AGAIN! MORE CHEATERY!!!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:52:36 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Only what MS told any publication or editor... pure spin doctoring.
> > > Doesn't take a genius to spot it either.
> > > It's MS that is spinning its tales.
> >
> > Ok, so now The Register isn't smart enough to spot FUD? Any way you
spin
> > it, you're nailing your favorite publication and will never be able to
use
> > it as a reliable source to back up your claims again.
>
> I don't trust any publication. I view this from a standpoint where MS
> is currently standing. They are behind in delivering XP, behind on
> delivering an O/S for IA-64.
Huh? What does this have to do with the alleged backdoor?
In any event, MS is not behind on XP, unless you mean a consumer version of
NT. Hell, when it ships it will be less than 2 years from the release of
2000, which is a very short cycle.
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