Linux-Advocacy Digest #190, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: The Windows guy. (Tim Hanson)
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: The Wintrolls (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: XP Show&Tell - Live on TV ("spicerun")
Re: The Windows guy. (Donn Miller)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ("Todd")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (John Hasler)
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) (Craig Kelley)
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) (Craig Kelley)
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:46:49 GMT
chrisv wrote:
>
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in VI. I
> >tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> >"Sweet!"
>
> Since when is a global replace in a text file difficult to do in
> Windows?
He's talking non-interactive. With an interactive editor like Notepad
or vi, one must manually open the file into the text buffer and do
operations on it. With utilities like sed you can specify the commands
and it will just find the file, perform operations on each line of the
file, and return the command prompt. The main use of sed is in
scripting, where one wants things done automatically, or the same thing
across a series of files.
--
San Francisco, n.:
Marcel Proust editing an issue of Penthouse.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:48:12 -0500
J Sloan wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > LOL! Right. It's got NOTHING to do with it being the best tool for
> > > the job...
> >
> > In many cases, it's not, but don't tell a Unix blockhead or a
> > penguinista that!
>
> Chad continues spewing insults and calling names.
>
> Do tell, chad, if linux is just a fad, why are you so threatened?
>
> What motivtates you to haunt the Linux advocacy forums?
He's afraid that if Linux becomes totally mainstream, he won't
have any more excuses for why his shit doesn't work.
>
> jjs
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:48:41 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:24 -0800, Guillermo Auad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
:
: % ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
:
: it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
: adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
You really mean, "...adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000
and LOAD THE DRIVER on the same laptop."
I've got the exact same card in my ThinkPad T20, and it works fine, once
you install the driver you need, regardless of Win2000 or Linux.
Go to google, search on "3c556 linux". Any of those links will help. In
fact, the kernel 2.2.17 and later include support for that card in the
3c59x driver.
:
: Any ideas? please, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: thx.
:
: Guillermo.
:
:
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
My account, My opinions.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:50:04 -0500
Joseph wrote:
>
> Deepak Chandrashekar wrote:
>
> > I think this thread is 100% pure unadultrated bullshit.
> > Everyone knows that Windowzblowz is complete crap
> > when it comes to robustness and uptime !!
> >
> > So if is for such apps. then go get Linux/Unix or something.
> > Else, if u want to use some "kiddie" application such as MS-Word
> > then .......
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------->>>>>
> > I dont want to pay M$ Tax
> > <<<<<---------------------------
> >
> > Deepak
> >
> >
> >
> Kiddie application? Although there are many applications that are of
> questionable quality on Windows, Word is not one of them. Word is one of
> the best "office" word processing applications in the market. By office I
As long as you don't use it for a 50-page document.
Then, the toy-like core begins to emerge.
> mean common everyday business document creation not special purpose
> scientific or engineering documents which may require special notations.
> Using this requirement yardstick MS-Word far exceed anything in the market
> in terms of ease of use and functionality. Think about office documents.
> What are actually needed? Maybe some nice fonts, bulleted lists, mail
> merge, simple formating such as bolding, italics or underlining...
> All these tasks are all easily done on Word.
MS-Word is *adequate* for 10-page documents.
But if you're writing up the corporate stockholder's report, you
better use something that doesn't choke on a piddly 50 pages.
> ---
> JoE uSeR
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XP Show&Tell - Live on TV
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:12:41 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sevatio"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, don't miss the presentation Billy and the boys are having on this
> XP!
>
>
> I've learned a lot so far. For example, the XP's start-button remains
> on the bottom-left corner to help lessen the learning curve.
>
> ;-)
XP screenshots that I've seen look like Gnome's Desktop with really large
fonts.
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:54:16 -0600
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The tools that are common place on UNIX/Linux are not common under Windows,
> because most Windows users avoid learning other paradigms.
> How often to we see stuff on download.com that attempts to do something on
> Windows that is already a mainstay on UNIX?
Cygwin has a lot of tools that duplicate the unix environment, including a
POSIX layer. These allow you to compile a lot of unix software under
Windows. But, you have to contend with a lot of other barriers, such as the
fact that Windows is clunky when it comes to accessing a command line. For
example, under FreeBSD, I can switch between VC's and into and out of X with
the keyboard. Under Windows, it's very hard to manage many command line
sessions like you can with VC's under Linux, FreeBSD, or whatever.
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:49:34 +0800
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 2000 is pretty darn stable. I've had almost zero problems with it, and
it
> > runs DirectX 8 ! What more could you ask for? hehe... I know I'm gonna
get
> > quite a few responses here... :)
>
> Seriously, I think it should be priced a lot lower. If they'd have priced
it
> around $99, I would be running it now. $199 is ridiculous, although the
OS
> is probably decent. (I'll never find out with a price that high.) MS
really
> could've had a hot one on their hands, if only they'd set the ceiling to
> something more reasonable, like $99. More reasonable software pricing
> translates into more sales and less boot-legging. MS has a way of
screwing
> themselves over a lot of times...
Hmmm... I wonder how much the consumer version of XP is gonna run? If they
charge more than $99, it's gonna be a tough upgrade.
-Todd
>
>
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:46:49 GMT
I wrote:
> How do theists explain God?
Stefan writes:
> I'd like to know that too.. but they usually don't.
Thus they multiply their hypotheses needlessly.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:54:10 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:31:43 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Absolutely - For instance, I'm happily scanning pictures
>left and right into my new HP 5200 C usb scanner, even
>though claire/steve/flatfish claimed it couldn't be done.
I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said my USB devices didn't work
under Linux despite them working perfectly under Windows and iMac.
I also listed them several times and HP was not amongst them.
>Let's see, the current release of SuSE is what, 7.1?
And the current release of Windows is 2k or ME neither of which
installs with the open ports of previous versions.
I'd try SuSE 7.0 but it refuses to install properly.
>> Win98SE and Win2k have them all shut down, although previous versions
>> left Netbios among others wide open.
>
>What do you mean, "shut down"?
Closed for ports or not running by defaul for services (ftp, etc).
>Unix services aren't even available on windoze, except
>for port of some basic ones like ftp.
>
>> The Linux users due in part to their penny pinching are going to help
>> Linux self exterminate.
>
>Penny pinching, that's a good one - I enjoy racking up
>the bills on good hardware and good Linux apps and
>distros.
>
>Just doing my part, ma'm.
>
>jjs
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.religion.kibology,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:54:21 -0500
Me wrote:
>
> "Leeb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You know, I betcha the fine folks at Google are going to grep Usenet
> > posts for URLs and use them as pointers to stuff on the Web.
>
> They could do that for free.
But they can do it *MUCH* faster if they own Deja.....because they
can put the "grep-pers" right on the machines that are holding
the USENET archives, rather than inquiring over a network connection.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: 14 Feb 2001 10:57:22 -0700
"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> http://www.wirednews.com/news/technology/0,1282,41614,00.html
>
> ---Begin 1st Quote---
> According to Microsoft, right now the current SAP function will play any
> files, but after the company's market share for the Windows Media Player --
> which is also built into Windows -- is sufficiently large, the company will
> turn on SAP and play only secured files.
>
> The system is designed to work behind-the-scenes, so that consumers aren't
> aware of any digital rights management. When the operating system accesses
> media files, noise is added so that if the audio is intercepted, it won't be
> usable. Once the file makes it through the hardware device and passes it to
> the Windows Media Player, the noise is removed and the file plays.
> ---End 1st Quote---
>
> ---Begin 2nd Quote---
> "In order for an encrypted stream to play, Microsoft has to approve the
> driver for your soundcard and sign it," software consultant David E. Weekly
> wrote in an e-mail. "Without a signed driver, the digital rights management
> content won't play. With video digital rights management coming soon
> hereafter, what this really does is give Microsoft the power to determine
> what hardware it will allow to run Windows."
> ---End 2nd Quote---
Hooray for consumer choice!
Then, they can lock out all internet audio choice by having 'strategic
partners' on the web that exclusivly deal in this new proprietary
(read 'unable to port to any other platform than we choose to')
technology. Then, unless your system is blessed by Microsoft, you'll
be unable to use media on the ineternet; hell, let's expand this to
pictures, text and movies as well!
Of course, this will only be a speed bump until direct digital to digital
re-encoding with MP3 happens. I can also imagine that fun things
could happen by using Windows under VMWare with a 'signed'
SoundBlaster 16 driver and /dev/dsp... But the whole idea stinks
anyway.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:57:48 -0500
Mike wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has
> all
> > the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows
> does all
> > he needs.
> >
> > He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
> VI. I
> > tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> > "Sweet!"
> >
> > Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> > platform isn't so easy to use.
> >
> > The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> > learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> > wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> > wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
>
> Windows is easier to use.
Only if "reinstalling software regularly, and the whole fucking OS
every 6 months" is part of your definition of "easier"
> And, I have all those things on my Windows machine
> (vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's any good at
> tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So, then what?
REAL soft links
REAL memory protected multi-tasking
REAL pipes
REAL multi-user capabilities
REAL remote usage
>
> -- Mike --
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:00:25 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has all
> > the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows does all
> > he needs.
> >
> > He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in VI. I
> > tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> > "Sweet!"
> >
> > Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> > platform isn't so easy to use.
> >
> > The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> > learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> > wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> > wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
>
> I hear the same things from my Windows buddies. They saw me use wget
> once and couldn't believe that it was so easy to do simple things like
> grab all the AVI files from Boeing's website without having to view the
> source of the HTML and grabbing the links inside them.
>
> To Microsoft's credit, they've at least started admiting that the
> command shell is more important than they previously thought. Windows
> 2000 comes with a lot more goodies in that department than NT4 did.
To Microsoft's credit, after suffering severe head injuries on multiple
occasions, they at least started admitting that a helmet is more
important than they thought....
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:01:57 -0500
Flacco wrote:
>
> > Bill gates deserves a house that burns to the ground every few days.
>
> He could afford it.
Affording has nothing to do with it....it's the annoyance factor.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:05:16 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > http://www.wirednews.com/news/technology/0,1282,41614,00.html
> >
> > ---Begin 1st Quote---
> > According to Microsoft, right now the current SAP function will play any
> > files, but after the company's market share for the Windows Media Player --
> > which is also built into Windows -- is sufficiently large, the company will
> > turn on SAP and play only secured files.
> >
> > The system is designed to work behind-the-scenes, so that consumers aren't
> > aware of any digital rights management. When the operating system accesses
> > media files, noise is added so that if the audio is intercepted, it won't be
> > usable. Once the file makes it through the hardware device and passes it to
> > the Windows Media Player, the noise is removed and the file plays.
> > ---End 1st Quote---
>
> ... and Wired has NEVER been known to blow things WAY out of proportion
> or demonize Microsoft.
>
> This is all BS, rumor, and speculation. MS has had DRM for over a year
> now and they're not taking over the world with it.
>
> Regardless, just like the RIAA, if MS pulls something stupid like this,
> you just go out and download WinAmp, or any of a dozen other players
> and be done with it.
But Chad, they wont work with the *media* that you want to play. It
will be a proprietary format which is encrypted to only work with
Windows media player. Who cares if you have Winamp installed? It
won't work with Winamp (in fact, if they have their way then nobody
will ever use Winamp or any other media player ever again).
Wired isn't the most reliable source, to be sure -- it's more a
soda pop science magazine than anything else, but why else would
Microsoft even invent this technology. They have never been
proponents of open standards: Direct 3D was invented to make game
developers develop for Windows, NetBIOS/NTDOM was invented to make
people buy NT servers, and now we find out that the Windows 2000
'signed driver' technology wasn't intented to make the OS more
reliable, but to give Microsoft control over media services.
Fun stuff.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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