Linux-Advocacy Digest #190, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 12:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Stephan Boos)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("JS \\ PL")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Chad Myers")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Chad Myers")
Re: Redhat video problems. (flatfish+++)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Chad Myers")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Here's a switch for a change (Greg Cox)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Kmart Shopper)
Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("JS \\ PL")
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From: Stephan Boos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: 13 Jun 2001 17:10:02 +0100
Hi,
In comp.os.linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In comp.os.linux The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> More likely it's a combination of factors. The Windows system is
>> adequate for desktop use, and is rich in functionality -- when it
>> isn't crashing. By contrast, Linux is excellent for server use,
>> and is also rich in functionality -- but the two aren't compatible,
>> which cases some problems in a mixed shop. (However, things like
>> Samba help.)
>> How much does desktop reliability factor into theoretical language
>> research and/or compiler design? Not a heck of a lot, I'd say.
>> Although it doesn't help when the computer BSODs right when you're
>> about to put the finishing touches of a project. But many Windows
>> tools have autosave -- a bodge to get around a problem -- and
>> therefore this isn't quite as damaging as it could be.
>> Then again -- there are those with horror stories of losing half
>> a day's work, and I for one have been lucky. So who am I to say?
> clearly you are not a seasoned unix user, otherwise you will utter
> otherwise. Unix with tools like bash,perl,apache, grep and syslog
> is far more powerful than windows. It encourages personalism,
> in way things are done. You are given as many options as it is
> possible, thus allowing for flexible environment.
these tools and apps you get for windows, too.
if they're as fast as the unix/linux tools... dunno.
> Windows on other hand is great for games, limited text composition
> and some image manipulation. Macs are far better at last two,
> so leaves Windows as a game platfrom with most games written for.
you cannot say it this way. You can have a mac with linux for oparting system,
or you use your mac with the SoftWindows and it'll be slow as hell...
Windows is a nice system for desktop-use-only and if the user is not intrested what
happens (~what the OS is doing).
You get a lot of nice programs for windows, you got a easy handle OS and
(maybe) you know a lot of windows-user you can ask, if you have a problem with it.
Last but not least is windows the most used OS in companies (as desktop OS), so if you
work with an windows client in your job, you want to work with it at home, too.
I dunno if this is good or bad... *g*
> So Dennis is an avid gamer, eh?
> ;-)
*g*
Stephan.
--
zipperX(at)gmx.net
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:16:56 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Ignorance must be bliss in the US, hence the reason why so many
> groups/nations just want to blow the crap out of the country.
>
> Have you ever been outside the US once? maybe you should realise the world
> doesn't stop at the shores of the US.
>
Considering that the USA is globalizing the entire world I would
say that there is an American or two who realizes the world beyond
the US shores.
Are you really that ignorant to continue with that line of insult?
....
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:18:17 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:15:04 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >These specs don't mesh with what was available in the 200mhz era.
Every
> >ad I
> >> >find in January 1997's Computer shopper has a mhz range of 133-200mhz
and
> >a
> >> >hd offering of 2.x GB for low end pc's and 3.x GB for high end.
> >>
> >> I got a computer with a 200mhx processor and a 1GB hard disk, no
> >> matter what you might say.
> >
> >Lets see a screenshot of the system properties window. It doesn't jive.
>
> What system properties window?
Since your using Agent, I assume your running some version of Windows
right click on
My Computer
push
alt-print screen
open paint
press Ctrl-V
put the file up on an internet server so we can all see this mythical 200mhz
system with 16 mb RAM you claim to have.
While your at it, lets see how small the HD is. You claim it's 1gb which
doesn't jive with system sold during the 200mhz era.
right click on your c: in explorer, hit alt-print screen paste into
paint.....
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:23:12 -0500
"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
>
> >"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> >
> >> Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> >> here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> >> but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
> >> the American freedom there?
> >
> >It is preposterous, and such laws are a result
> >of the liberal mindset. That law was as recent
> >as the 70's, IIRC. The reason why laws like
> >that one get put into place is because of
> >a lack of patriotism, and pride. People just
> >apathetically allow these idiotic politicians
> >to do their own bidding, without saying a damn
> >word.
>
> The reason such laws exist in the US is the Republican Elizabeth Dole. As
> transport secretary in the early 1980s, Mrs Dole hit on the idea of linking
> federal highway grants to raising the legal drinking age to 21. Sadly, even
> states that are supposed to take freedom particularly seriously, such as
> New Hampshire (motto: Live free or die) decided to take the cash.
>
> This kind of thing is fuelled by two currents in American life: petty
> puritanism and a pathological obsession with safety.
The problem is, kids are drinking and driving. The problem is getting
worse, not better, with the laws that are in place.
Compare this to the fine men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces
who are highly trained individuals and understand the responsiblity
of carrying a firearm.
The kids out there are drinking way to much as minors and getting
into cars and driving and killing other innocent people, killing
and destroying families.
There is a huge problem with drinking and driving and nearly all of
it is because of minors.
There is a problem, don't downplay it. People had their freedom,
and they blew the responsibility and continue to blow it. If you
abuse your freedom and use it to kill other people, you shouldn't
have that freedom any longer. < 21 year olds have proven themselves
unworthy of the privilege of drinking at 18 yo. I realize that's
not a very conservative viewpoint, but from a society perspective,
freedom is one thing, but if your freedom involves others dying,
then that's not freedom at all. Just like yelling "Fire!" in
a crowded movie theatre. Your freedom adversely affects the freedom
of others.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:26:00 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g7ndd$9f9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > days, puritanism seems to be trumping freedom. No country treats smokers
> >
> > (or indeed tobacco companies) with such petty vindictiveness as the
> > United
>
> I think that is a good thing. A single smoker can affect many nonsmokers
> around himself. it really is a very deply unpleasant thing to put up with
> if your not a smoker. Basically if you're sensitive to cigarette smoke
> you are completely prevented from going to places where people are free
> to smoke.
Exactly. This goes back to my "your freedom prevents others' freedoms".
You can smoke all you want in your house or car, but don't stand
right outside my office building and breathe your smoke on everyone
that passes by. I have Asthma and it's a serious deal when I breathe
smoke. Perhaps I'll sue the tobacco companies and get $3 billion too =)
(j/k).
>
> > States. As for safety, America seems to have convinced itself that the
> > world is an astonishingly dangerous place, and that the only way to keep
> > these dangers at bay is to regulate even the most trivial bits of
> > behaviour. Hence the need to replace standard playground equipment with
> > "safer" alternatives, such as one-person see-saws and transparent tubes
> > to
> >
> > crawl through. And where else would photocopier toner come in packets
> > that
> > warn you not to eat the contents?
>
>
> Ha ha! LOL! We always get packets full of "Sillica Gel Do Not Eat". Well,
> that's what I assume its called because that's always written on the
> packets :-)
I have a saying... "If there's a sign warning against it, that means
someone actually tried it". Apparently, they had a problem with people
eating Sillica Gel at one point. I also noticed the signs at the airport
warning about not brining aerosol cans, or paint, or explosives on a plane.
Apparently, they had a problem with this at one point.
-c
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:30:04 GMT
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:57:02 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I wonder what ever happened to using ctrl-alt-+ or - to change the
>screen resolutions on the fly??
That's assuming X is installed properly to begin with.
Hitting those keys when all that is displayed is a bright white screen
does nothing.
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:34:53 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g7ojv$fvo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
> > > more cultured than the Americans.
> >
> > The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long way
> > to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path at the
> > head of the world?
> >
>
> The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows that
> the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
> created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's second
> term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
> unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
> followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice it
> when election time rolls around.
<sigh>
Talk about keeping your head in your own little world. You don't
know the first thing about American Democracy. That election fiasco
was an example of how firm and solid the American democracy is and
how it can withstand the challenge of corrupt officials (Gore, Clinton)
and an attack from within.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:40:55 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g6d1g$akm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yeap, by all means, please post it. What I am saying that if Microsoft are
> going to go out on tangents and offer services such as email, do a descent
> job of it!
Top posting is really annoying.
I'm still flabbergasted that you haven't figured out how to do a multiple
delete.
Click an email, hold SHIFT, click another email 15 emails away (or
more, or less). hit the DEL key. It's THAT simple. I do it every
day. I've done it with 2 emails, I've done it with >1000 emails.
It works every time. It worked in OL97, it works in OL2000.
I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be really bad stuff.
-c
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:L8yV6.26582$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9g66ee$5p7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Exactly the reason that Microsoft would not attempt a fool hardy
> project
> > > > like converting NASDAQ to losedos. They still have not proven that
> Hotmail
> > > > is running 100% on losedos. Speaking of Hotmail, I have abandoned my
> > > > Hotmail account because it was unavailable too many times. If
> converting
> > > > Hotmail, which is simply web enabled email, was such a difficult task;
> how
> > > > could they possibly convert NASDAQ to losedos? In a 6 1/2 hour trading
> day
> > > > with 2 billion trades (a real busy day), the system has to process
> 85,470
> > > > trades per second. Of course, trading is done with mainframe, not
> > > > losedos.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I gave up because of the same situation, and also, because when I
> selected
> > > multiple messages for deletion (when accessing via Outlook), the server
> > > reponds saying "invalid command".
> >
> > What? Now your just being rediculous. Do you even expect anyone here to
> > believe that your inadaquacies as a computer user have anything to do with
> > the quality of MS software?
> >
> > Would you like me to show you screen shots of a successful deletion of
> > multiple messages?
> >
> > Please, stop being retarded, it's absoluately rediculous now.
> >
> > -c
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:36:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, baho-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Greg Cox wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > says...
> > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:37:42 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:12:04 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >> > news:9frbdu$5ku4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> >> > He's demanding to talk to the store manager because Windows wiped out
> > > >> >> > all of his data which contained some kind of a web based research
> > > >> >> > project (best I could gather in between screams).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I'd like to have been there and heard the manager try to explain that
> > > > not
> > > >> >> only was his data permanently gone with no chance of compensation but
> > > > he
> > > >> >> couldn't have a refund on the software because he agreed to the
> > > > no-refunds
> > > >> >> clause in the EULA when he installed the product. - but he could have
> > > >> >> another copy of the same product in exchange.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > There is no such clause in the EULA, in fact MS offers a 30 day money
> > > > back
> > > >> > guarantee on retail software.
> > > >>
> > > >> which if you try to collect (on the os that came shipped with your PC)
> > > >> they refuse, say that you have to collect from the manufacturer of the
> > > >> PC.
> > > >
> > > > The OS that ships with the PC is an OEM, not a retail copy.
> > > >
> > > > If you try to bring back your AC Delco radio, I'm sure Delco will likely
> > > > laugh at you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > In the windows EULA, it says that if you don't agree to it, you should
> > > return it for a refund, which M$ refuses to pay. If I bought a radio
> > > which turned out to be a piece of sh!t, I'd return it, but I can't seem
> > > to do the same thing with windows, why is that Eric?
> > >
> >
> > Why is this so hard for people to understand? If you buy Microsoft
> > software at a retail store and the EULA says you can return it for a
> > refund then you can return it for a refund either at the store you got
> > it from or directly from Microsoft. As far as I know no one has ever
> > been denied a refund in this retail situation. If you bought a computer
> > that had Microsoft software included with an OEM based EULA then you need
> > to go to the manufacturer of the computer to get a refund. This is the
> > exact same situation I was in when I bought my Toyata pickup. It had a
> > radio as standard equipment. I didn't want it (I wanted a Clarion
> > radio/CD player instead) and asked for a refund. The dealer not only
> > said they wouldn't give me a refund for a standard equipment item but
> > would have to charge me mechanic's time to remove the radio. Do you
> > honestly believe the manufacturer of my pickup's radio is responsible to
> > give me the refund if I ask for it?
> > --
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Why is it so hard for you to understand......
> I sent by msdos 6.2 disks back to m$ for a refund after contacting them. They
> gave me an address to send them to and I have heard nothing from them since. When
> I called them back they told me they don't accept returns. This was for a non OEM
> version. Now I am out my money and my losedos disks (no big deal on the disks but
> I WANT MY MONEY) .
>
>
You're rightfully pissed if they promised a refund and then withdrew it.
How long ago was this? Did you see
http://www.microsoft.com/INFO/NAReturns.HTM and comply with the
instructions?
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:42:14 -0500
"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Michael Vester wrote:
>
> > Exactly the reason that Microsoft would not attempt a fool hardy project
> > like converting NASDAQ to losedos. They still have not proven that Hotmail
> > is running 100% on losedos. Speaking of Hotmail, I have abandoned my
> > Hotmail account because it was unavailable too many times. If converting
> > Hotmail, which is simply web enabled email, was such a difficult task; how
> > could they possibly convert NASDAQ to losedos? In a 6 1/2 hour trading day
> > with 2 billion trades (a real busy day), the system has to process 85,470
> > trades per second. Of course, trading is done with mainframe, not
> > losedos.
>
> I abandoned Hotmail too, but not for that reason. Microsoft suspiciously
> does not allow POP access for any other mail reader than OL/OLE. That's
> bull5hit IMO. So I blocked all incoming letters and got a Yahoo account.
>
> Usually I don't mind MS, but sometimes their greed is just transparent.
Greed? A free service? Used only through a free client?
It's not POP, btw, it's HTTP, and it goes back to the days before
MS. They just haven't spent the time and effort to make it POP
compliant because, for obvious reasons, there's just not enough
demand for it.
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kmart Shopper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:45:39 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:50:57 +0000, Dennis Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
|
|
|somebody wrote:
|>
|> Has anyone else read the latest issue of Linux Magazine? There is an interview
|> of Dennis Ritchie complete with several photos of him sitting behind his desk at
|> bell labs.
|>
|> his monitor is clearly visible-- very obviously and very ironically running
|> ms-windows! LOL, i had to laugh!
|>
|> i didn't see any mention of that in the interview, but c'mon, the co-inventor of
|> UNIX is now using Microsoft WINDOWS?!?!?
|>
|> check out the article for yourself. dunno if it's online anywhere.
|
|The article doesn't seem to be online as of yesterday. I gather the
|magazine is mainly paper-based.
|
|People seem to have noticed the edges of the screen, but so far
|no one has identified the contents and origin of the very large
|pale-yellow window with pride of place on the screen.
|
| Dennis
Dennis, as a wise man once said - "never attribute to malice what can
be adequately explained by stupidity"
Or more in the case of this post, zealotry.
You are reading this is COLA, remember.
(-:
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Vs nffubyrf unq jvatf, P.B.Y.N. jbhyq or na nvecbeg.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:26:36 -0500
Matt, if you want to get into a pissing match about bugs, thats your
perogative, but all products have them, and the 60 or so security patches
for Red Hat 7.0 are a good example.
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g6jet$f7r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> When a client connection to a SQL Server is terminated, it remains cached
> for a short period of time for performance reasons. One SQL query method
> contains a flaw that has the effect of making it possible for one user's
> query to reuse a cached connection that belonged to the sa account.
>
> Exploiting this vulnerability would enable an attacker to execute the
query
> using the administrator's security context. This would give her the
ability
> to take any desired action on the database; moreover, it would give her
the
> ability to run extended stored procedures, thereby giving her the
> opportunity to run code of her choice and assume de facto control of the
> server itself.
>
> Patch availability:
>
> a.. Microsoft SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server 7.0:
>
>
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q299/7/17.asphttp://support
> .microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q299/7/17.asp
>
> Is this Chads glorious, secure SQL server he raves on about? my god, a
> Microsoft product having security problems, GOOD LORD NO! HOW CAN THAT BE?
>
> Matthew Gardiner
> --
> I am the blue screen of death
> nobody hears your scream's
>
> Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
> however, in New Zealand and Australia
> a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
>
>
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:49:30 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > >
> > > Said drsquare in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:17:23
> > > >On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 06:11:22 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > (T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > >>Said drsquare in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:02:10
> > > >>>On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:34:24 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > >
> > > >>>>AFAIK, you are the only one to mention saluting anything.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>You knew what he meant.
> > > >>
> > > >>Yes, I did. Did you know what I meant? That seems more doubtful.
> > > >
> > > >Not if you continue to word things so badly.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry if you're insulted, but I have to point out that the problem
> > > is on your end. You are confused and muddle-headed. That is not my
> > > fault. It is, however, my problem, and I will try to help. Ask
> > > questions, and stop avoiding logical fallacies.
> > >
> > > Here, this might help: http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > >In Holland they get personal freedom. Unlike the US.
> > >
> > > Please explain.
> >
> > Drugs, alcohol, sex; things are MUCH more libertarian (freedom) in
> > Denmark than in the US. It's all about personal responsibility.
>
> And pedophilia.
>
> -c
You say something like pedophilia and say nothing to back it up?
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:53:46 GMT
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:44:30 -0500, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... This is something that kids
> who cram for the IIS exam know--and it's about as difficult to figure
> out as reading the documentation. I guess that's not your department
> either, right? You could even just stumble across it going through
> the configuration dialogs in the ISM. Really sad.
Yes, I'm a dumbass and you are superior. Do you feel better now?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:51:55 +0100
Stephen Cornell wrote:
>
>
> The main
> reason why the US enjoys such prosperity is that you have a huge land
> mass with a wealth of natural resources, thousands of miles away from
> any serious aggressor.
>
Mexico has huge amounts of natural resources and look at their
lack of prosperity. The reason the USA enjoys such great prosperity
is because of the flexibility of the US market and the ease at which
new businesses can be started with minimal government interference
relative to other countries, especially European countries.
....
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:06:50 -0400
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g613q$74cs9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > read, 'known for his personal and corporate contributions to charity and
> > educational organizations.'"
> >
>
> Are those 'Corporate Contributions' the software which costs MS almost
> nothing to produce ( how much does a pressed CD cost now) yet they claim
> back the full retail value of this donated software off their tax bill.
>
> These software donations are nothing more than an elaborate tax fiddle and
> doing this in any other business would be known as fraud - e.g. if you had
> a company making pencils which cost under $1 to produce yet you put a
> brandname on them and get away with charging $80 each for them then give
> 1000 pencils to charity and claim back $80 tax rebate per pencil you would
> soon find yourself in the law courts accused of fraud yet this is exactly
> what MS are doing with their software.
It's not that simplistic. When donating inventory you deduct the *lesser* of
fair market value or it's basis. Basis is any cost incurred for the
inventory. You get to deduct the costs that *you incurred* for that pencil
inventory, which you stated is under $1.00.
Now on the other hand, if you run your business so badly that it costs
$80.00 to put that pencil into inventory but the market value is a buck, you
STILL can only deduct the dollar if you give it to charity.
The IRS has it all figured out. They get you coming and going no matter
what.
Nobody is giving away plastic discs and claiming market value for the
deduction.
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