Linux-Advocacy Digest #351, Volume #33            Wed, 4 Apr 01 13:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  Updated Info RE: ??? OSS In Financial Services (Luke Skywalker)
  Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Alexis Cousein)
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
  Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Greg Copeland)
  Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (Dave Martel)
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Chad Everett)
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.  (Mathew)
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Chad Everett)
  Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("Ayende Rahien")
  Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Greg Copeland)
  Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Knowledge Seeker)
  Re: IE again: MS simply doesn�t get it right (Dave Martel)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Skywalker)
Subject: Updated Info RE: ??? OSS In Financial Services
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:18:08 GMT

FYI to y'all, here's what I've found so far. Any additional tips or
pointers to public domain materials would be VERY much appreciated. Reply
to the newsgroup, or to kat-at-pathcom dot com.

* WHO IS USING IT?

- Tower Group's study in Nov. 1999 noted a number of firms using Linux,
but in the financial services sector Jefferies & Co. and CIBC Oppenheimer
were the ones mentioned. The Massachusetts-based Tower Group predicts that
the top 100 financial institutions worldwide will be spending $200 million
on Linux by 2003, compared with $50 million in 1998.
  http://www.towergroup.com/

- Web Servers of the Fortune 500: A Dissection and Analysis 
  Jul 21, 2000, by Matthew Keller
 http://apachetoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-07-21-001-01-NW-LF-MR
 He does an analysis of the fortune 500's .com sites, and finds
"...several financial heavyweights also rely on either Stronghold or
mod_ssl, such as Allmerica Financial, MBNA, and SouthTrust Corp."

- Other names that have come up include: Surety Bank N.A., Wachovia Corp.,
Charles Schwab, Deutsche Bank... but not what for or even which OSS tools
they're using.

-
http://houns54.clearlake.ibm.com/solutions/global/gfspub.nsf/SearchResults/862568A9007933E48625695A0066832A
  Banking software firm TEMENOS has 250 clients in 87 countries. They are
including Linux among its deployment platforms, along with AIX, SCO Unix,
and Windows NT. There are presently no Linux deployments, but Linux is the
migration path for current SCO UNIX clients and their database management
system has been ported to Linux. TEMENOS is an IBM Solution Provider, and
recently signed an alliance agreement with Big Blue.

* CONFIRMED OSS-FRIENDLY:
 
- World Bank
 http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58686_NLTapp,00.html

- Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein
  The investment banking arm of Germany's Dresdner Bank AG, currently in
merger talks with insurance firm Allianz. They are one of Collab.Net's big
customers.
 http://www.openadaptor.org/ 
 http://www.collab.net/news/451_20010131.html 
 http://www.sdtimes.com/news/025/story13.htm


OVERALL VIEW

OSS is gaining traction in the financial sectors, but slowly. One reason
is their need for mission-critical systems, another is the fact that so
many applications are written in-house and would require porting. These
issues are being dealt with and analysts like Tower Group see growth
ahead, but even IBM's Net/Linux evangelist John Patrick says it'll be a
couple of years before OSS goes mainstream there. IBM has a lot of
relationships in that sector and John's personal interest would be in
shorter time frames, so I'm inclined to accept his analysis.

See:
http://www.wstonline.com/story/WST20000612S0053
http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58760,00.html

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Skywalker) wrote:
:
: Hi, all.
: 
: I've got a couple of friends with a strong open-source software (OSS) bent
: and an interest in the Financial Services sector. They're curious: which
: international financial services (banking, insurance, cards etc.)
: institutions have an OSS-friendly culture, or at least an IT culture that
: is non-hostile to OSS?
: 
: Good question. I've read that the World Bank is very OSS friendly, and
: I've seen Deutsche Bank's name come up in conjunction with OSS
: implementations. Beyond that, I don't know. I'm kind of interested in the
: answer, too, because this sector is often a bellweather.

-- 
"I made a big mistake. I thought I had to save the galaxy 
all by myself. But the way of the Jedi is not a solitary 
path. Many have died defending the truth. Many are together 
in this great war... together in the Force."
  -- Luke Skywalker, _Dark Empire_
--
PLEASE NOTE: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi is a
SELF-MODERATED newsgroup. aa.net and boutell.com are
NOT the originators of the articles and are NOT responsible
for their content.

-- 
"I made a big mistake. I thought I had to save the galaxy 
all by myself. But the way of the Jedi is not a solitary 
path. Many have died defending the truth. Many are together 
in this great war... together in the Force."
  -- Luke Skywalker, _Dark Empire_

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From: Alexis Cousein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:21:58 +0200

Ben L. Titzer wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Alexis Cousein wrote:
> 
> 
>> Craig Kelley wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Too bad IA32 chips run faster than Alphas now.  :)
>> 
>> Too bad they're IA*32*, though, and can't address more than 4GB.
>> 
> 
> 
> Well, the physical address bus is 36 bits these days, which means 64gb,
> but the virtual address space for processes is still 32 bits or 4gb. The
> physical address extensions (PAE) were introduced in the Pentium Pro
> series, and AMD included support for them in the Athlon (K7). These
> extensions require modifications to the page tables and thus, OS support.
>  

While arguably you could use these to support a kernel that handles more 
than 4GB, I doubt many *applications* would actually be able to use more 
than 2 or 4GB, at least not without another ILP model than that normally 
used (ILP32).


--
Alexis Cousein                          Senior Systems Engineer
SGI Belgium and Luxemburg               [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:38:18 -0400


"Ray Chason"
>Microsoft has money.  I don't.

That's the main beef the anti-ms crowd has with Microsoft.



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
From: Greg Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 Apr 2001 11:37:25 -0500

"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:96v75r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <f8Ek6.46570$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I never claimed I did. I just want someone to answer for why there
> > > are so many vulnerabilities in SSH. I never claimed I was an expert,
> > > I was merely citing other experts.
> >
> > And when the situation was explained you apologised for the misunderstanding
> > and went on to other things, right?
> 
> Things were not explained. Excuses (lame ones) were made for the existing
> vulnerabilities, but no one answered the questions of the actually security
> of infallibility of SSH. It seems everyone takes SSH's security for granted
> when there are real issues that are not being addressed. Namely, the problem
> that there are still vulnerabilities being filed on an old protocol which
> is supposedly obsolete. The truth is, SSH1 is still deployed on many machines
> which are now vulnerable to any number of vulnerabilites and there
> doesn't seem to be a concerted effort of education or alert to these issues.

[lots removed]

So, since it's so flawed, tell us how many hosts you have been able to break into
because of SSH2 exploits?  How many?  Oh....hmmm...the guy that claims SSH is
horribly broken can't seem to use a single exploit on any host to prove his point.
Put up or shut up.  It's pretty well accepted that MSVPN is much less secure
than SSH2.  I don't see you waving flags and shouting at that?

With your logic that SSH = telnet + encryption, I can say that a car and plane
are exactly the same thing; isn't a plane a car with wings?  NO!  In the real
world, any real aerospace guy would beat you to death with a bat to remove you
from the breeding-pool because it's so stupid.  Clearly, a car is a car and
plane is a plane and telnet is telnet and ssh is ssh.  As far as I know, a plane
and car are both vehicles, however, cars don't go through the air and planes don't
go down highways.  They both move people and have wheels, but hardly makes them
the same.

So, I'll be waiting for you to post a detailed log of your most recent SSH2
exploit.  Also, if need be, I'm sure I can find an engineer to talk with you.
I'll even provide the bat at your request.  :)

Greg

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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:29:55 -0600

On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 01:36:35 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Very well put!  Of all the years I spent in this industry, all I really
>see is an overclocked 8080! Still one main register.  I will never buy
>Intel stock as long as they hold onto the past!  Its time for them to
>move forward before they self destruct.

Intel was stuck so long as they were closely partnered with Microsoft,
who refused to make Windows multi-platform. I think that's why they've
started embracing linux - it finally frees them to come out with
totally new CPU architectures.



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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:44:20 -0400


"Alan Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Oh... ...my...  ...god.
>
> How arrogant.
>
> Read it:

Big deal. They're offering a free service. You have the choice of agreeing
to the terms, or not. It's nice to see the anti-MS crowd still teeters on
the edge of a major cry-in at the slightest urging from their peers.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 Apr 2001 11:35:52 -0500

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:38:18 -0400, JS PL <jspl@jsplom> wrote:
>
>"Ray Chason"
>>Microsoft has money.  I don't.
>
>That's the main beef the anti-ms crowd has with Microsoft.
>

That's a complete lie.  The main beefs are Microsoft's predatory
business practices, their attempts to destroy competitors through
illegal business practices, their draconian licensing, their blatant
attempts to charge for every bit that goes in and out of your 
communication and computing devices, their downright theft of 
code that they hide by closing their source, and their crappy
software.



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Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. 
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:42:53 +1000



On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> > 
> >    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >>
> >    >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> Mathew wrote:
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> Mathew wrote:
> >    >> >> > >    >> >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> For a person who constantly calls people"little dictators"
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> and "fascists" , Aaron certainky takes the cake for 
>personifying
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> his own words.
> >    >> >> > >    >> >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> >> A product of fascist military indoctrination ,no doubt.
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> So, protecting your constitutional rights is fascist now.
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >    >> You have repeatedly threatened to kill people for their 
>political
> >    >> >> > >    >> beliefs.  That is not protecting their Constitutional Rights.
> >    >> >> > >    >>
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > >    Aaron> No, I have not.
> >    >> >> > >
> >    >> >> > > Yes you have.  You have said that people should be killed for
> >    >> >> > > merely being democrats.
> >    >> >> >
> >    >> >> > No.  They should be punished for committing treason.
> >    >> >> >
> >    >> >> > The most egregious, such as Clinton, should be executed.
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> And the the totalitarin regime in Afghanistan,that happnened because Bush
> >    >> >> Sr. sold their freedom down the drain?
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> [Note that once again, Matthew is advocating for the Communists...and
> >    Aaron> he *still* claims he's not a weaselly Marxist bastard].
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> What freedom?  When?
> >    >>
> >    Aaron> Afghanistan has *NEVER* had any freedom....and in fact, has never had
> >    Aaron> ANY force which represents freedom fighting for it.
> >    >>
> >    >> This is true, and clearly shows Reagan to have been lying
> >    >> when he called the thugs he armed "Freedom Fighters".
> >    >>
> > 
> >    Aaron> Freedom from Communism to go their own way.
> > 
> > Unlike you, I do not play favorites among totalitarians.
> 
> No..the United States did *NOT* choose any totalitarians in Afghanistan.
> 
> At the time we were giving support to the Afghans, there were 8 MAJOR
> factions opposing the Soviets, and numerous lesser ones.
> 
> NOBODY knew which faction would consolidate when the time would come
> that the Soviets would leave.
> 
 There were pro western,non fundamentalists who would have 
been in power if we supported them.



> > 
> > Unlike you, I think all totalitarians suck.
> 
> So do I.
> 
> > 
> > But then, unlike you I do not wish to be a totalitarian.
> 
> At least not openly....but you keep pushing for public policy which
> DEMANDS a totalitarian state for the policies to get implemented.
> 
> 
> > 
> > And of course, unlike you, I am not a cowardly lying forger.
> 
> blah blah blah
> 
> > 
> > --
> > Andrew Hall
> > (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
> 
> K: Truth in advertising:
>       Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
>       Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
>       Special Interest Sierra Club,
>       Anarchist Members of the ACLU
>       Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
>       The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
>       Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> 
> 
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
>    The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
>    also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> 
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
>    challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
>    between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
>    Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> 
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
>     premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
>     you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
>     you are lazy, stupid people"
> 
> G:  Knackos...you're a retard.
> 
> 
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
>    adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> 
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
>    her behavior improves.
> 
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
>    ...despite (C) above.
>  
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> 
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
>    method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
>    direction that she doesn't like.
> 
> A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.
> 
> 

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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:48:45 -0400


"Gregory L. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9af6ne$e8m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Hmm... I especially liked this part.
>
> "The foregoing grants shall include the right to exploit any proprietary
> rights in such communication, including but not limited to rights under
> copyright, trademark, service mark or patent laws under any relevant
> jurisdiction. No compensation will be paid with respect to Microsoft's use
> of the materials contained within such communication."

Good. Now when and if MS ever decides to sell Hotmail they won't have a
bunch of Linvocates trying to sue them for their cut of the deal, since
their free mailbox is part of the product getting sold.



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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:53:29 -0400


"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ae2c4$oa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Thats unless they pay another republican off to let Microsoft do what ever
> it pleases, just as it did last election.

Whos "they"



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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:55:25 -0400


"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Are you saying (assuming Chad is correct in his interpretation) that
> your company doesnt mind any commuications it sends through Hotmail
> becoming the property of Micro$oft?

There's a "company" using hotmail? Damn.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 Apr 2001 11:48:06 -0500

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:44:20 -0400, JS PL <jspl@jsplom> wrote:
>
>"Alan Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Oh... ...my...  ...god.
>>
>> How arrogant.
>>
>> Read it:
>
>Big deal. They're offering a free service. You have the choice of agreeing
>to the terms, or not. It's nice to see the anti-MS crowd still teeters on
>the edge of a major cry-in at the slightest urging from their peers.
>
>

Exactly, bozo.  I guess they own your ass. Thanks for agreeing with us though.
This is exactly why we're encouraging people  to do the following:

If you truly understand what their (Microsoft) license means you will do the
same on your mail server.

msn.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their services will be 
accepted.
msn.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their services will be 
accepted.
microsoft.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their services 
will be accepted.
microsoft.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their services 
will be accepted.
hotmail.com 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their services will 
be accepted.
hotmail.net 550 Microsoft licenses are unacceptable. No mail from their services will 
be accepted.



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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:52:34 +0200


"JS PL" <jspl@jsplom> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

> What product did you "buy" that adds IE5 to their DOWNLOAD???? I've never
> seen any company tack on a 60 meg file that's available for free elsewhere
> anyway!! What company is adding an un-necessary 60mb or so file to their
> product download? Hmmm....That's very interesting. You_did_"buy"_it,
didn't
> you??

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I just happened to go to this page:
http://www.aonix.com/Products/CSDS/oa.win.free2.html
a.. Full Special Edition (77 MB)
Includes all Core and Help files plus Internet Explorer and Sun Java
Development Kit (JDK).




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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
From: Greg Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 Apr 2001 11:56:53 -0500

"nuxx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Bloody Viking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:96sgqd$neh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > . ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > : > Actually, a recent independent study (again, quoted by Microsoft Press
> Corp,
> > : > but still independently proven) has indicated that Microsoft's Win2k
> servers
> > : > can regularly incur up-time in the '5 9's' range.  99.999%.
> >
> > : Do you have a link for that?  Because that's *just* over 5 minutes a
> > : year, and for all the bleating MS does, I've never talked to a 2k admin
> > : (that I trust not to lie...  newsgroups? ha!) that would claim they only
> > : need to reboot their machine once or twice a year.
> >
> > I'm sure a Linux LAN server could achieve that uptime, but not a Windows *
> OS.
> > For a Windows server to achieve that uptime, the machine will need a LOT
> of
> > memory for the inevitable memory leaks that eventually crash it. Cheap
> > motherboards now can take up to a gigabyte of memory, sold separately of
> > course. I don't know if a gig would delay the BSOD long enough to allow
> only
> > annual booting. Has anyone yet attempted to assemble such a machine to
> test
> > the theory?
> >
> 
> Wrong.  I have a production NT4 database server that has been up for over 6
> months and counting.  There are no memory leaks in the kernel.
> 
> nuxx
> 
> 

Actually, it's almost impossible to determine is memory is leaking in NT
unless you shutdown all of your applications and finely comb through
memory allocations.  On top of that, the tools provided often provide
meaningless data when trying to determine an absolute data point, though
they are often good for relative comparison.  Generally, kernel leaks are
claimed because all applications can be terminated and tons of memory is
still unavailable for application to use or applications that were running
attempted to allocate memory which was unavailable even though it should
have been based on the applications that were running.  To claim that an
NT4 box does not have kernel leaks is woefully boastful and often incorrect.
I must say that I'm happy that you can have those kinds of up times but must
say that they are extremely unusual and probably indicates that the database
is only VERY lightly used.  I know because I have tried to run a 24x7 DB on
NT4 and it requires weekly reboots.  Actually, within 2-3 weeks it will grind
it self to a halt (page it self actually).  It's a large database (for MS-SQL)
running on Alphas.  It stays under an extremely high load 24 hours a day.
If your load is 1/10th that of these machines, you'll see up times of 20-30
weeks before it starts to grind to death.  Remember, leaks are often hiden
because of the way VM is handled with NT.  NT actually pages an application
so that in the event it needs to be pages later on, it can page directly from
the page file rather than resulting in all the extra file i/o that takes
place in more traditional VM systems.  Then has the effect of greatly masking
leaked memory because it's very difficult to determine how much memory should
be pages out because it's paged and how much has been paged because it might
need to be paged in the near future.

It's also very important to understand that the nature of the applications
you run make a huge difference with NT's uptime.  So, in short, claiming you
don't have memory leaks is the wrong assumption.  Rather, it's more than
likely that your combination of load and application use is simply minimizing
them.

Greg


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From: Knowledge Seeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:02:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi,

I am looking for a full-featured yet easy to use text editor to
replace Notepad.  Ideally, I would like a tool that is cross-platform
or has versions for Win98 and Linux.  The main platform requirement
would be Win98 and the nice-to-have platform is Linux.

There seem to be a plethora of choices that might work:
UltraEdit
TextPad
EditPlus
WinEdit
Multi-Edit
Zeus
CRiSP

Right now I am leaning to UltraEdit but I have not done a true
rigorous evaluation.  I would definitely like to hear from anybody
that has done a true objective comparative evaluation of these
products (or others that I have not listed).

My actual requirements are:

Must haves:
1.      Syntax highlighting (with color and or font) for HTML and Java 
2.      Robust cut and paste including row, AND column AND block
capabilities
3.      Split and join functions based on margin or specified column
4.      Ability to intelligently remove prefix characters (i.e. ">") and
re-format text to new margins keeping paragraphs intact (i.e. fixing
forwarded email text)
5.      Ability to edit multiple files side-by-side
6.      Ability to compare files and synchronize multiple similar files
flagging differences
7.      Robust search and replace capabilities (ideally supporting
regular expressions)
8.      Line numbering
9.      Column numbering
10.     Auto-completion (based on customizable template)of common
programming statements 
11.     Ability to preview HTML pages (including Java applets) easily
12.     HTML toolbar (I know I should know all the tags but I just cannot
remember them all)
13.     Can be used as a replacement for Notepad (so it must be
relatively quick and have a small footprint)
14.     Highlights URL and e-mail addresses and launches browser or email
client in a separate window when clicked
15.     Ability to change case for entire selected text
16.     Auto indent based on user-defined templates for each programming
language
17.     Auto alignment (I.e. if I want a set of lines with the "=" sign
or decimal point or comma aligned on multiple rows)
18.     Undo capability

Nice to haves:
1. Syntax highlighting for Perl, C/C++, and SQL.  Also, extensibility
for other programming languages based on easily customized syntax
files. 
2. Ability to use FTP
3. Spell checker
4. Ability to compile from within the editor
5. Keystroke save/execute (i.e. macro capability)


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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IE again: MS simply doesn�t get it right
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:52:53 -0600

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:04:01 +0200, Peter K�hlmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Again there�s a bug in IE, this time a *real* bad one
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp

I like the writeup at
<http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42798,00.html>.
Especially the part at the end:

"Cuartango has discovered over a dozen security holes in Microsoft
products."

"And this isn't the first time he's had problems with Microsoft's
patches."

"In 1998, Cuartango discovered the infamous "Cuartango Hole," a
security flaw that allowed wicked website owners to steal files off a
user's hard disk."

"That discovery was quickly followed by the "Son of the Cuartango
Hole," a new exploit that was created by Microsoft's patch for the
Cuartango hole."

"'Son' was followed by 'The Grandson of the Cuartango Hole,' which was
�- yes, you guessed it -- caused by a second fix that Microsoft issued
to plug the original Cuartango hole."


<guffaw!>


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