Linux-Advocacy Digest #671, Volume #33 Tue, 17 Apr 01 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("z0ck")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linux is for the lazy (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:30:00 -0400
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, John A. Stovall wrote:
>
> > On 14 Apr 2001 23:34:19 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes...the Communists believe in LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of environmental
> > >> > regulations on industry, with all of the economic burden which results
> > >> > FOR ***OTHER*** COUNTRIES....MORON.
> > >>
> > >> Well name these countries,please.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >
> > >Mathew,
> > >
> > >I do not support Aaron's choice of words and I think you present yourself in
> > >an honorable way, although I completely disagree with your arguments.
> > >However, I have to say that USSR was extremely active in promoting
> > >enviro-politics (Green Party in Germany was basically funded by USSR and
> > >they never really deny that.
>
> Did the Greens help clean up the damage to the Black Forest?
Do you mean, do you think you'll see party leaders putting their
bodies where there mouths are?
No.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:34 -0400
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > silverback wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:00:58 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Charles Lyttle wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Mathew wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:51:42 GMT,
> > > >> > > > silverback, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > >> > > > brought forth the following words...:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > >> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >>Goldhammer wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> > > >> > > > >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
> > > >> > > > >>> >the economy,
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >>Precisely.
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
> > > >> > > > >communism. They have nothing in common.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Fascicsm=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > >> > > > Communism=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > What about Capitalist Fascist dictatorships like the
> > > >> > > Philippines,particulary under Marcos.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Capitalism and Fascism are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TERMS, you goddmned fucking
>moron.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> BZZZZT. Wrong. Both the Italian and Spanish Fascist governments were
> > > >> very capitalistic. Capital is just one of the Bunds that make up a
> > > >> Fascist government. Labor, Church, Military are three others.
> > > >
> > > >Wrong. Free Markets are fundamental to the definition of Capitalism.
> > > >Fascism's oppressive state involvement in the economy PREVENTS any
> > >
> > > wrong fuckhead fascism is based on corporate rule. Fascism is a
> > > capitalistic society.
> >
> > Corporate =/= capitalistic, moron.
> >
> > There have been corporations all over Russia THROUGHOUT the overt
> > communist years (and right through to the current "communism with
> > a happy-face mask").
> >
> > Secondly...
> >
> >
> > Sliverdick, why do you prefer government bureacrate rule vs. corporate rule?
> >
> > At least corporations have to PROVIDE SOMETHING WORTH HAVING to keep
> > their power. Where as government bureacrats need to merely serve
> > the politicians, without doing a damn bit of good for you and me.
> >
> > Hope that helps?
> >
> > Thirdly: you STILL have not addressed the fact that:
> >
> > Fascism = control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > Communism = control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
>
> Oh Capitalist have murdered their onw population as well.
>
MURDERED? Millions of their own populace? really?
Do tell.
Accuracy counts, so be precise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "z0ck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:36:32 GMT
Nolan Beukema obviously has checked out of hotel reality.
The fact that you believe something does not make it so. It isn't about
everybody toeing whatever line you draw. Its about leaving the world in
better condition than you found it. In its current state, that most
certainly does NOT include popping out more kids.
Nolan Beukema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Na1D6.3503$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dreamspinner obviously does not watch the news much, and has been dreaming
> with head in sand. In fact the world does revolve much around the next
> generation.
> "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9bhu2c$8m4uk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Get real. Not everyone cares to hear about your kids, or what you're
> > teaching them. The world does not revolve around your children, or
anyone
> > else's children for that matter! Again, you're responsible for your
kids,
> > not us. Deal with it!
> >
> > "Todd Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:wj_C6.14156$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > It's a good thing you have chosen not to reproduce.
> > >
> > > Your lack of compassion and responsibility would probably result in
your
> > > offspring building pipe bombs to get your attention.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:37:24 -0400
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > Charles Lyttle wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Charles Lyttle wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mathew wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:51:42 GMT,
> > > > > > > > silverback, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > > > > brought forth the following words...:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>Goldhammer wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> > > > > > > > >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control
>of
> > > > > > > > >>> >the economy,
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Precisely.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
> > > > > > > > >communism. They have nothing in common.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fascicsm=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > > > > > > Communism=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about Capitalist Fascist dictatorships like the
> > > > > > > Philippines,particulary under Marcos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Capitalism and Fascism are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TERMS, you goddmned fucking
>moron.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > BZZZZT. Wrong. Both the Italian and Spanish Fascist governments were
> > > > > very capitalistic. Capital is just one of the Bunds that make up a
> > > > > Fascist government. Labor, Church, Military are three others.
> > > >
> > > > Wrong. Free Markets are fundamental to the definition of Capitalism.
> > > > Fascism's oppressive state involvement in the economy PREVENTS any
> > > > true Free Market...thus, Capitalism and Fascism are mutually exclusive.
> > > >
> > > BZZT. WRONG again. Capitalism has nothing to do with free markets. In
> > > fact, once the GOVERNMENT starts creating artifical persons in the form
> > > of corporations, free markets go out the window. No capitalist country
> > > has free markets. In Fascist countries, it often happens that Capital
> > > controls the government. The US and Japan are two of the most
> > > capitalistic countries around. Just try to take a boat load of
> > > California oranges to Japan and sell them. Or get a load of Japaneese
> > > eletronics/games/CDs and bring them here to sell. Both countries would
> > > be out to hang you for interfearing with the the local capitalist.
> > >
> >
> > Japan is fascist.
>
> Explain how Japan is facist.
>
The structure of the entire economy.
http://www.karataniforum.org/jlecture.html
Kojin Karatani
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^----[note that the author himself is Japanese]
As you know, the Japanese economy is in serious crisis. It reached the peak of
prosperity in the 1980s, but now it is collapsing. But the reason for its success
is also the reason for its collapse. Lately, there is a predominant theory that
the postwar Japanese economic system is a continuation of the wartime regime
established in 1940. The liberal economist Yukio Noguchi calls it the "1940
Regime". According to him, the US occupation army demilitarized Japan thoroughly,
but they did not touch the bureaucratic system and the wartime systems the
bureaucrats had planned. Even the land reform implemented by the US Occupation
Army had been planned and prepared by reformist bureaucrats during the war.
That is why the wartime regime survived despite the thorough demilitarization
symbolized by Article 9 of the postwar constitution.
Basically, I agree with Noguchi's view, but I think it is wrong to call this a
wartime regime. It is nothing other than the completed fascist system, namely
total mobilization. As Ernst Junger put it, Total Mobilization is, among other
things, the abolishment of the distinction between the military and the
non-military. For Junger, soldiers are workers, and workers are soldiers.
It is well-known that Junger's essay on total mobilization deeply affected
Heidegger, but few know that the idea of total mobilization in Japan owed much
to it.
Fascism is not essentially war-oriented. Among the 20-some fascist nations
that emerged after Italy in 1923, only Germany and Japan, along with Italy
after 1938, were militaristic or invasive. Peaceful fascism was and is possible.
In essence, fascism is a counterrevolution against communism in the crisis of
capitalism. It is different from imperialism, militarism or genocide in general.
It aims at dissolving the conflicts and contradictions proper to capitalism
within the scope of capitalism. I would say Roosevelt's New Deal in America
was tinged with such a Bonarpartist counter-revolution. Anyway, the postwar
demilitarization of Japan undertaken by the United States, which took this
system for militarism, did not result in the demolition of total mobilization.
In his postwar thesis The Logic and Psychology of Ultranationalism, Maruyama
Masao maintained that Japanese fascism was "fascism from above" whereas the
German and Italian forms were "fascisms from below" since they had gone
through democratic revolutions in the past. This may sound something like
admiration for Italian and German fascism because they were modern and
democratic. But even Maruyama could not deny the fact that since 1938, the
Konoe cabinet had some elements that were close to Italian and German
fascism. If so, then we must say that the postwar democratization of Japan
did not dismantle Japanese fascism, but actually completed it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux is for the lazy
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:42:49 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Brian Langenberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:08:24 +0000 (UTC)
<9bhioo$ms8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>After some deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Linux
>(and Unices in general) are built by the lazy, for the lazy.
Lazy -- and ingenious.
>As proof of this, let's look through the whole gamut of
>UI tools.
>
>First of all, notice that the most commonly-used shell commands
>are two letters long (cd, ls, mv, cp, and so forth). Why not
>"list", or "move", or "copy"? Because that's too many letters
>to type, and so laziness prevails.
A number of issues arise here; one of them is in fact laziness.
Two letters "mv" as opposed to four("move")or six("rename").
Ditto for "cp". Great for touch typists.
However, there's also the issue of "word memory". To put it
simply, the "word" "mv" is far less likely to be confusing
because it has precisely one meaning -- namely, "move an object
on a Unix system". If one is presented with a "MOVE" or "COPY",
one has to now think a little more. Quick, what options does
"MOVE" have? Does it move files or directories? Or is it referring
to an obscure terrorist group, an action done once every 5 (3?) years
or so by most Americans, or a simple generic translation from one point
to another in an abstract coordinate space?
>
>Then there's the standard directory structure. These are
>typically three letters (/usr, /tmp, /bin, /etc.). Why?
>Because typing in long directory names is tedious.
>Laziness wins again.
And this is a problem? It's bad enough that on NT, typing
cd C:\Program Files\
actually works. (It's even worse that one has to type in
all those characters.)
I do have to laud NT for its explanatory filenames, but that's just
ridiculous; they could have just called it "Programs". On
Windows2000 they probably changed it anyway; I know they changed
the location of C:\WINNT\Profiles\[username]\Desktop to
C:\Documents & Settings\something (I forget now).
>
>Notice that all the modern command shells support tab-completion?
>Yep, another point for laziness. Nobody wants to type in the
>whole name "foobar" when nothing else has the same name
>beyond "foo".
This is true. Maybe we should get rid of it and go all GUI instead.
That'll learn us to be lazy.
:-)
>
>Moving on a bit more, we come to X11. Here's a tool absolutely
>dedicated to servicing the lazy. Don't want to get up and
>walk down the hall to the server? Easy, just pop open a
>half dozen X clients from it and pretend you're sitting right
>in front of it.
Does make it nice, especially when the server's in a locked room
with very limited physical access. Note also that the server might
be a Cray YMP or a Connection machine, with more power in its
little transistor finger than a thousand PCs spread across
an office. :-)
>
>I'm sure many of you can think of more, but I think the point
>is clear: if you want to add a really successful feature
>to the Unix UI, make it a feature that facilitates laziness -
>because I'm really enjoying not having to do so much work... :)
Ah, so you're advocating laziness! :-) Perhaps it's merely a question
of presenting the notion correctly; instead of "laziness", one could
think of "a solid foundation of functionality one doesn't have to
think hard about but can simply use to further one's goals". :-)
Of course, that phrase is a little hard to think about.... :-)
so I'll be lazy and borrow your term "laziness".... :-)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I'd rather spend time doing stuff rather than
fighting the OS anyway :-)
EAC code #191 1d:15h:23m actually running Linux.
This is not a .sig.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:40:32 -0400
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > silverback wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:00:58 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Charles Lyttle wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Mathew wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:51:42 GMT,
> > > >> > > > silverback, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > >> > > > brought forth the following words...:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > >> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >>Goldhammer wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> > > >> > > > >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
> > > >> > > > >>> >the economy,
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >>Precisely.
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
> > > >> > > > >communism. They have nothing in common.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Fascicsm=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > >> > > > Communism=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > What about Capitalist Fascist dictatorships like the
> > > >> > > Philippines,particulary under Marcos.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Capitalism and Fascism are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TERMS, you goddmned fucking
>moron.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> BZZZZT. Wrong. Both the Italian and Spanish Fascist governments were
> > > >> very capitalistic. Capital is just one of the Bunds that make up a
> > > >> Fascist government. Labor, Church, Military are three others.
> > > >
> > > >Wrong. Free Markets are fundamental to the definition of Capitalism.
> > > >Fascism's oppressive state involvement in the economy PREVENTS any
> > >
> > > wrong fuckhead fascism is based on corporate rule. Fascism is a
> > > capitalistic society.
> >
> > Corporate =/= capitalistic, moron.
> >
> > There have been corporations all over Russia THROUGHOUT the overt
> > communist years (and right through to the current "communism with
> > a happy-face mask").
> >
> > Secondly...
> >
> >
> > Sliverdick, why do you prefer government bureacrate rule vs. corporate rule?
> >
> > At least corporations have to PROVIDE SOMETHING WORTH HAVING to keep
> > their power. Where as government bureacrats need to merely serve
> > the politicians, without doing a damn bit of good for you and me.
>
> So when it is found that trace amounts of Dixon has been found to cause
> cancer,and the EPA is is prevented from telling the public about it
> because of the meat and dairy industry getting a court order to have this
> info delayed,what do you call this?
>
> When the Exxon Valdeze spill put 10,000 fishermen,Native Alaskan Indians
> and Aleuts,as well as whites,out of work and make them dependent on
> foodstamps and welfare for months,you see how a Capitalistic enterprize
> forced small independent workers of a Capitalistic system,get on a
> Socialistic program,or go broke;irionic
>
> Now should there be striter regulation so that a Captain of an oil tanker
> should not be drunk driving?
The captain wasn't even on the bridge. The HELMSMAN was steering the
ship, not the Captain....
In such circumstances, the Captain BELONGS off the bridge, because
he only gets in the way of the Helmsman and the Officer of the Deck.
>
> >
> > Hope that helps?
> >
> > Thirdly: you STILL have not addressed the fact that:
> >
> > Fascism = control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > Communism = control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
>
> A the U.S supports or has supported many Fascist countries.
> Marcos of the Philippines is one I personally experienced.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >true Free Market...thus, Capitalism and Fascism are mutually exclusive.
> > >
> > > nope they go hand in hand with each other liar.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Hope that helps, uneducated fool.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Japan and several other Asian/Pacific countries also adopted variants of
> > > >> Fascism. In Japan the primary Bunds today are Merchant, Farmer,
> > > >> Industry, the Military haveing fallen in disgrace after WWII.
> > > >
> > > >Scott Erb (Professional blackboard washer), are you listening????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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