Linux-Advocacy Digest #721, Volume #33 Fri, 20 Apr 01 03:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Matthew
Gardiner)
Re: Microsoft gets hard (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:10 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft grand vision, aka dot-net, and reality (GreyCloud)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (GreyCloud)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("Adam Warner")
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (GreyCloud)
Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: What's the point (GreyCloud)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:11:34 +1200
> > maybe some of that money could be used to setup a Crown Funded
> > Laboratory to fund research into economically viable alternative fuels
> > and the rest used to pay off the overseas debt and public debt. That
> > would be a hell of a lot more effective than giving a huge tax cut to
> > those at the top of the food chain.
>
> You'rse starting to talk like a socialist feeb.
>
Not really, the private sector is not carrying out enough socially
desirable research, hence the government must intervene to ensure that
socially desirable research, such as alternative fuels are given the
attention they deserve. If the private sector actually did some research
in that area, there would be no need for government intervention.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:12:41 +1200
<snype>
> > ...who moved out of the house at age 17....
>
> at the request of my family....
hmm, so are you related to Aaron?
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:10 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:16:38 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Gunner �" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:55:07 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Gunner �" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:08:44 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Hehehehhehe
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I'm not registered to vote in this precinct, but since I'm a registered
> > > > >> >> Democrat does that matter? <G>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Since Democrats don't care about such niceties, you are allowed
> > > > >> >to vote AYE in the election, regardless of where you live.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> In fact Sue... you can even vote more than once. Feel free to fill out
> > > > >> the form in your hometown, and again while visiting Fresno.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >In the spirit of the Democrat Party, I'll make that 5 AYEs for Sue
> > > > >4 in her home town, and one in Fresno.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >AYE: 9
> > > > >NAY: 0
> > > > >ABSTAIN: 1
> > > > >
> > > > >When, oh when, will Professor Erb come to rescue his beloved Sliverdick?
> > > > >
> > > > oooh oooh! We now have enough for a fireing party! YAY. Now who brings
> > > > the steaks?
> > >
> > > Not quite. Sue, being the good Democrat that she is, observered
> > > her party's traditional voting methods, and casted 5 ballots.
> >
> > Considering how I voted in the last election I don't think the Democrats
> > would think I'm so "good".
>
> It's amazing how women lose their taste for the Democrat party once
> the taxes are coming directly out of THEIR OWN spending money....
Unfortunately, my last dependent aged out on me and, for the first time,
I had to sent checks in with my returns. :-( However, that isn't what
caused my "reformation". Many years exposure to a libertarian made me
actually think about the whole business. Believe me, I fought the whole
thing but head has pretty much won out over heart (although there are
still skirmishes going on). I'm sure my parents and other ancestors
were spinning in their graves as I voted for Bush.
Sue
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:34:31 +0100
> The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They aren't.
> Windows and Office are both fabulous.
Hahahahah!
Windows and office are _appauling_ products!
-Ed
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft grand vision, aka dot-net, and reality
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:45:13 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> A few weeks back, on slashdot they were discussing dot-net and this is
> what I posted:
>
> Does anyone actually know what the average luser wants? People like Bill
> Gates coming up with these far fetched dreams of having everything being
> hosted on "Microsoft Windows 2000 Application Server", whilst the
> average luser is just trying to keep there computer from crashing every
> day. Tech staff pulling out there hair helping the average luser who
> can't get [product name] to work because of DLL Hell. For goodness sake,
> before you (Bill Gates), or any of your cronies start going on this
> fabulous voyage of fantasy and dreams, remember not to lose site of
> supporting you customers, as it will be your own detriment if you do.
>
> The response:
>
> Its seems like most people here you do not understand what .Net is, and
> it is Microsoft's fault to some degree. .Net does completely fix dll
> hell, the .net framework and clr where
> designed around "xcopy" deployment, meaning no more registry, xml config
> files in the app directory (novel idea ;)). In fact it makes me wonder
> about how the registry will be used
> as time goes on. But anyway my main piont is .Net is being marketed
> centralized applications that are rented, but in reality that is just
> one way to use the underlying framework,
> and at the same time it is Microsoft "eating there own dog food", by
> using the framework for that purpose. But it you still prefer to make a
> classic windows app the .Net framework
> gives a excellent library (Winforms) to do so, and if you so desire you
> can get into the raw GDI+, or even directx, its not all about web apps.
>
> From what I read in the reply, dot-net is meant to be the silver bullet
> that hypothetically is meant to mend all the short falls of Windows,
> such as the issues with the registry and DLL Hell. However, this is a
> completely new API, so how long will users wait until they are able to
> benefit from this "innovation" considering many of these issues have
> been addressed or have never been an issue in the UNIX world (which
> included *BSD and Linux). It took many companies, even with access with
> early beta copies of Windows 95, up to 7 years just to get their code
> from 16bit to 32bit. How long will it take companies to move their
> software form the Win32 API to the dot-net API so that end users can
> benefit from these enhancements? longer? Yes, Microsoft will probably
> the first to move their software, however, people like me who prefer to
> use the likes of Lotus Smart Suite will have to wait, most likely up to
> 2-3 years just so that they can benefit from the "dot-net experience".
> However, depending on the development cycle of the next kernel release,
> users will no longer be forced into waiting for new enhancements already
> available on other platforms. With OpenOffice spreedily progressing in
> being split up and ported to new platforms, there will no longer be the
> compelling reason to stick with Windows, except maybe in the games
> department, however, as I have said previously, most people have a games
> machine anyway, so, it won't be an issue for most.
>
> The issue regarding corporate migration. There needs to be a consortium
> setup that will pay for the cost of moving a large corporation from
> Windows to Linux, such as the porting of in house developed
> applications, retraining of staff etc etc. Once done, these
> corporations then can be used as poster children for the Linux effort to
> prove that Linux is a viable solution in the real business world.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
Reminds me of when Sun Microsystems wanted to rent StarOffice... I wrote
back to them "Why should I rent your software when I can get it free on
Linux?" Shortly thereafter they dropped that idea.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:50:44 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > >
> > > "B. R. Ivy" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a proprietory OS?
> > > > I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it almost seemed too
> > > > slick. And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty Nautilus GUI with
> > > > 7.1. I'd hate to wake up five years from now with another Microsoft on the
> > > > horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
> > > >
> > > > Randall Ivy
> > >
> > > The difference is that there are alternatives, such as SuSE Linux, and
> > > Mandrake. I find it rather humourous that Sepo's don't know any
> > > products made outside the US. Mention the words SuSE, SAP or Baan and
> > > you get blank faces, mention software such as Jade and there is even
> > > more blank faces. What the heck is wrong with people? Its like during
> > > the 70s, the quality of US cars were going further down hill, whilst the
> > > Japanese made cars were superior and cheaper, yet, no sepo's bought
> > > them. Is that xenaphobia at the extreme?
> >
> > No...just illogical arrogance based on an irrational form of nationalism.
> >
> > It's one thing to be proud of your country...it's yet another to assume
> > that all foreigners are inferior.
> > That's what got Germany, and Japan, and eventually the Soviet Union in trouble.
>
> Hell yes. But atleast you don't see Germany or Japan trying to be the
> world policeman. They have learnt their leason. However, US still
> haven't learnt it, even with all the nut cases out there wanting to blow
> up US government buildings. You only need to look at the US's
> involvement in Somalia to show how arrogance + ignorance = disaster. It
> is one thing helping a country, it is another thing to tell a country
> what to do. However, what I can say, is, the Soviet Union was the first
> to develop biological weapons, with the first one being developed, one
> carrying a antibiotic resistant strain of the smallpox virus. The US
> said it was impossible, the Soviet Union proved them wrong. The US had
> one space station, the Soviety union threw up 5 into orbit. Little
> facts most people in the US fail to comprehend, that there is NO ONE
> country that has contributed to human technological advance, but many,
> and until this happens, the rampant arrogance will continue to grow.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
Actually a lot of americans ask this same question... why us?
(policemen) The corruption is so deep and wide spread that its no
wonder when an american goes overseas for a vacation that we get spit
on. Its really sad that we have no control over them. Its like it
doesn't matter anymore at the voting booth.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:36:03 +1200
In article <x2MD6.167958$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "B. R. Ivy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a proprietory
> OS? I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it almost
> seemed too slick. And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty
> Nautilus GUI with 7.1. I'd hate to wake up five years from now with
> another Microsoft on the horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
>
> Randall Ivy
Mate you're a little uninformed. The software you're describing is free
software. End of discussion.
Regards,
Adam
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:45:17 +0100
>> Yep, that's right. Now you have shelled out ��� for windows, go and
>> shell out more ��� to replace perfectly servicable hardware that
>> windows does not deem fit to run.
>
> Oh I'm sorry, you can't aford �30?
If I waste �30 on every whim avaliable, I would be broke by now. Why
should I spend �30 here that I don't have to. I can think of many better
things to spend �30 on than an upgrade that I don't need.
>> I feel great to be off the upgrade bandwagon. I still use a P133, but
>> since I am not forced to upgrade the bits that work fine (like CPU,
>> RAM) I can spend money on things that needed upgrading (Moniter,
>> CD-RW). And it has been more than worth it.
>
> I'm not on the upgrade bandwagon. I've never been on it.
You're suggesting I should be, by telling to spend money I don't need
onsomething that will not benefit me in any way just because Windows says
so.
>> You lumping all of linux with KDE belies your inexperience.
>
> I'm expressing the opinion of the majority.
Well, you're simply plain wrong. The opinion of the majority can be wrong
(pretty much everyone thought the world was flat at one time, but did
that make it right?).
Linux is not KDE. KDE is not Linux.
>> So? If you don't like KDE, don't use it.
>
> So what happened to choice? I choose to use KDE!
Er.... you have the choice to use it or not. You choose. If you don't
like it, then you can choose not to use it. If that isn't choice by your
definition, then go and look in a dictionary.
>> Yep. You've got it. Linux+(GNOME | KDE) is all there is. Period. FVWM2
>> does not exist. It was made up by evil M$-Haters. As was Afterstep and
>> Windowmaker and GWM and TWM and...
> None of which come even close to KDE or for that matter GNOME...
I don't use anything other than Fvwm2 because it is The One True Window
Manager (tm). I don't like the WMs that Gnome or KDE provide. I don't
generally use the apps either (with some, occasional exceptions) because
I have alternatives which work very well.
-Ed
--
I spillced coffcee cincto my kcey boardc.c As a rcesulct, c's gcet
inctermixcced with cwactever I ctypce. Plcease replace mcy kceyboard.
ccthanks.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:48:05 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> Ray Chason wrote:
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Its like during
> > >the 70s, the quality of US cars were going further down hill, whilst the
> > >Japanese made cars were superior and cheaper, yet, no sepo's bought
> > >them.
> >
> > On what planet? Chrysler nearly went belly-up and had to go crying
> > to the gummint for a bailout. (But at least they paid it back, with
> > interest.)
> >
> Either on the BBC or Discovery Channel there was quite a good documentry
> on the US auto industry, esp. during the oil crisis. Quite funny how
> the likes of GM and ford thought the US populous will continue to buy
> their crap, well, they were shown where to shove their multi-million
> dollar pay packets.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
Hehehe.... I know what you mean... I got burned on one too many Fords.
I finally moved over to Toyota and never regretted it since and will
never move back.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Exploit devastates WinNT/2K security
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:54:00 -0700
tony roth wrote:
>
> dumbass do yo think nfs is secure? blocking port 139 is standard issue
> other than that any sniffer on the local net can get you any nfs or smb data
> that you'd like its not encrypted either way ...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Roy Culley wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18370.html
> > >
> > > Here's a snippet:
> > >
> > > "However, if for some reason it's necessary for you to use the many
> thrilling
> > > features of Windows networking without NTLMv2, then there is absolutely
> > > nothing you can do but pray."
> >
> > Microsoft love re-inventing the wheel over and over again. There was a
> > perfectly adequate file sharing protocol, called NFS which all UNIX's
> > had, from IRIX to Solaris, you were guaranteed that they could
> > inter-operate, but no, Microsoft had to be different, and now they are
> > facing the consequences for their arrogance. Do I have any sorrow for
> > those who went down the NT track? hell no. I personally could not give
> > a shit and hope that they get their machines hacked to pieces by a 10
> > year old script kiddie, whilst the real work, yet again, is done by
> > servers running UNIX, using standard compliant file sharing protocols
> > developed over decades of work.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> > --
> > I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> >
> > If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> >
> > Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> >
> > The best of German engineering, now in software form
> >
Troll meter is reading at 6.7.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:58:03 -0700
MH wrote:
>
> If you work on something for two hours on any system and don't save it every
> few minutes you're getting your due.
>
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9bnkg3$a8qhr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They aren't.
> > > Windows and Office are both fabulous.
> > >
> >
> > Yes I particularly love the way it regularly crashes just when you are
> > about to save the past 2 hours work and lose it all - great feature that.
> >
> >
> >
I never had that worry on a VAX-785. It had battery backed up ram good
for two weeks.
All I had to do when the power came back on and rebooted...
EDIT/RECOVER.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:59:19 -0700
Lance Togar wrote:
>
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9bnkg3$a8qhr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They aren't.
> > > Windows and Office are both fabulous.
> > >
> >
> > Yes I particularly love the way it regularly crashes just when you are
> > about to save the past 2 hours work and lose it all - great feature that.
> ..
> He said it was fabulous software, NOT idiot proof. Before you start another
> 2 hours of work, I'd suggest you RTFM.
> ..
> ..
There is nothing Fabulous about MS software freezing up in mid-stroke!
It really is crapware!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:09:33 -0700
pookoopookoo wrote:
>
> > Nope. X is a server. The gui is the client. This ain't windows.
> > Linux is the O/S.
>
> True, but to a visual artist, the GUI is all there is to it. All the
> important stuff anyway.
>
> > More than likely, you should go to pcpitstop.com and try to test your
> > hardware first.
>
> My hardware is A1, I put it together myself works perfectly in Win2k.
> Otherwise I don't think i would even have been able to install Linux =) I'm
> also a (OS agnostic as I can be) competent hardware technician.
>
> > You can hang X by having your video card not responding like it should.
> > I had RH6.0 and it never crashed. On that computer I was using ECC
> > memory and ATI video.
>
> Could be. I run Linux in VMware, not that it should matter much, but it's
> emulated hardware so I'll buy that. I remember though when I (briefly)
> installed Mandrake 7.2, I had almost the same problems. I was so fed up with
> gears and bombs (the mandrake KDE core dump / segfault dialog) I took it
> off, reclaimed my HDD space and installed it in VMware, where it would be
> easier to deal with.
>
> > > I'm a graphic designer by trade, not a programmer. I find linux VERY
> user
> > > unfriendly. I have yet to find something to do on it that I can't do
> easier,
> > > faster and more reliably in windows (and even, to a lesser degree, MacOS
> 9).
> > > I'm used to photoshop, illustrator and quark...Gimp, killustrator and
> latex
> > > are VERY poor substitutes...=(
>
> > If you're a grahpic designer you should be real happy with SGI IRIX
> > systems.
> > You want speed? Use these.
>
> Nah, no app support. The only thing we do with these is plug our RIPs into
> them. They're not much use for actual design. All that happens on the macs.
>
Then why does Hollywood use them a lot??
> > The apps is just a matter of your mental approach to a problem. The
> > UNIX apps work differently but do get the job done. Wait until Mac OS X
> > gets their apps up and running, and you'll see what I mean. Things will
> > work differently than what you are used to... you just have to go thru
> > retraining is all.
>
> Now that MacOS X is out though, I won't _need_ Linux. MacOS X will make it
> obsolete. We can run every app we need after a simple recompile IIRC. It's
> Linux, only better, and much, much prettier. But it ain't free baby! =) That
> counts for a lot. Also the fact that I'm PC based at home, so I'll run Win2k
> until Linux catches up to MacOS X in simplicity and App support =)
>
> But my little vmware install will lurk in my hdd forever if I can help
> it...just waiting for the day I can finally switch. Hopefully that day will
> come during my lifetime =)
>
> > > I'd use a free OS if I could. I love the principle behind Linux (that's
> the
> > > liberal commie in me speaking =).
>
> > :-)
I think my sore spot with a lot of PeeCees is the lack of ECC memory.
You didn't say if you had that kind of memory in your box or not. There
was a report by Texas Instruments on memory chips. Their conclusions
were to utilize ECC chips (Error detecting and Error correcting). This
helps in keeping the kernel from crashing from random bit failures.
You have to just see an SGI in action to believe it. These are awesome
machines.
I saw one demonstrated on ZDTV once. Only drawback is that it cost
$35k.
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