Linux-Advocacy Digest #721, Volume #34 Wed, 23 May 01 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Interconnect")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Matthew
Gardiner")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Interconnect")
Re: evolutionary (oh boy) psychology: the short form (Blair Zajac)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Interconnect")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Terry Porter)
Re: Hypothetical (Terry Porter)
Re: IBM uses mainframe to woo Linux fans (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission (Terry Porter)
Re: RIP the Linux desktop (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Dave Martel)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Dave
Martel)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:07:11 -0400
JS \\ PL wrote:
>
> "Zsolt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS \\ PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 22 May 2001 14:09:25 -0400
> presented us with the
> > wisdom:
> > [snip]
> > > ...Ohh I could go on and endlessly
> > > list how much better XP is than Mandrake. Once again the Linux community
> is
> > > playing catch up to the industry leader. Competition at it's finest!
> >
> > Please, tell us about the auto-update feature! You know, the one that
> installs
> > all the latest viruses on your computer without a click of the mouse or
> opening
> > of an email...
> > That's gotta be the biggest innovation of that "Industry leader" ever!
> > I just wonder which industry would that be... ;-) (maybe "garbage
> production")
> >
> > Zsolt
>
> I haven't heard of that feature. Downloading viri that is. It seems like
> that feature would hurt sales....over...
Well, considering that Mafia$oft can't even keep THEIR OWN FUCKING SITE
virus free..
any time XP auto-MAD-ically updates your software, you are risking
a virus infestation.
Is any of this getting through YOUR THICK, SHIT-FILLED, MAGGOT-INFESTED HEAD...
Hope that fucking helps
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 05:08:50 GMT
On Tue, 22 May 2001 17:51:11 -0500,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <3b0ad984$0$2599$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > It does for people who do serious word processing. You're a developer,
>> > so you probably don't need most of the features, but for people creating
>> > real documents with flash and pizzaz, those features save lots of time.
>> >
>> > -c
>> >
>> >
>> Chad,
>>
>> Wouldn't you classify academic dissertations of 200 pages as serious word
>> processing? C't did a test on word processors beginning this year and Word
>> 2000 (SP1) consistently barfed on that.
>
> C't is a biased MS-bashing rag just like The Register. I have yet to
> see either posted a favorable article of Microsoft.
Wether C't is or not, is besides the point. Word is well known to choke
on small 200 page documents.
>
> Somehow, millions of people use Word very efficiently and demand
> even more features from,
Another clairvoyant, I'm almost convinced that the ink in the EULA
has strange mystic properties ?
> yet you, all-knowing, all-wise deem it
> crap because you can't seem to figure it out?
No we deem it crap, cause it barfs on small docs, saves 2 copies
of the text, is slow as hell, anoyingly helpfull (help *is*
the sunny side of control, afterall) and expensive.
Yes we have all used Word at some point!
>
>> Hardly a recommendation.
I wouldn't recommend Word if you paid me.
>
> Nope. Bias and FUD, rather.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> -c
>
>
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Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:22:45 +1000
Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9efc3a$g87$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ef90p$iti$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > How many *original* ideas has Microsoft given to the computer world?
>
> MTS, Application Center.
>
> It would be easier if you defined original.
>
original = Something that has not been thought of before hand.
E.g. Like the *blue screen of death* and making computer crashes
fashionable.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:10:52 +1200
> I find myself going back and forth to root quite often. It's nice to know
> there is a way to keep open programs up without having to re-open them.
> Except with XP there isn't a need to save the session. It just does it.
BTW
> the other users remain logged on until they officially log off, so
switching
> back to another user is almost instant once he is logged on.
Linux, more correctly, Mandrake gives you the option of either shutting down
all the programs or save the session. Does WinXP give you that option?
> > It is obvious from JS PL's brief description of XP's gentle benefits
> > that it is going to be such a hugely pathetic joke, and will be so
> > unable to work correctly and reliably, that nobody but sock puppets and
> > naive victims are ever going to consider it any more of a worthwhile OS
> > than DOS 2.0.
>
> That's more of a Devlin pipe dream. WindowsXP even in beta form, is AS
> stable as Linux, but the applications that run on it are about 100 times
> more stable than the typical Linux offerings. Although, Knode is awesome
and
> incredibly fast, and is in and of itself worthy of dedicating a complete
box
> of hardware to Linux.
> But you missed the part about me just conveying the "tip of the iceberg".
If Linux on par stability wise, why spend $800 on a piece of software whose
equvilant has a price tag of $0. I can do everything on Linux that I would
do on Windows. I have YET to find something I can't do.
Matthew Gardioner
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:25:13 +1000
Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9efc3b$g87$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ef93e$j0u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9ef73p$n7v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > On Tue, 22 May 2001 20:32:54 +0200,
> > > > Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3387/1/
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't say I don't agree.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some points:
> > > > > A> The linux desktop company he's talking about is likely
Mandrake.
> > > > > B> He agrees with Daniel about users getting computer/OSes/shells
> not
> > > for
> > > > > the sake of the computer/OS/Shell, but for the applications that
it
> > run.
> > > > This is an old retort, and you can't neatly seperate them imho.
> > > >
> > > > For instance, the OS plays a big part in what aplications you CAN
run.
> > If
> > > > I want to run GUI apps *remotely*, MS cant help me.
> > >
> > > Sure it can.
> > > Terminal Server will do it just fine.
> >
> > Sorry Terminal Server won't run ALL MS apps.
>
> What applications won't run? I've used it quite extensively, I can't
recall
> *ever* having an application not working.
>
Age Of Empires
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From: Blair Zajac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,soc.men,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: evolutionary (oh boy) psychology: the short form
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:19:57 -0700
In article <CfvO6.2656$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael
Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip
>
> Nor did I -- and I live 20 miles from San Francisco, the gay capitol
> of the world.
> And yes, I do mix socially with gays, bi's and transvestites (among
> others).
Bragging or complaining?
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:40:01 +1000
Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ef84o$ri5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9eeplc$rc4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Besides apart from compatibility reasons what percentage of MS users
would
> > use the ADVANCED features of Office? I believe business would take
> advantage
> > of some of these components however the *AVERAGE* user, we are so fond
of
> > talking about, would hardly use any of the advanced functionality of
WORD,
> > EXCEL let alone MS Access, Powerpoint and Project Manager.
>
> Compatability? I can get a WordViewer for free, and it will let me cut &
> paste to any half-way decent word proccessor.
> Certainly to older versions of Word.
> I don't need to buy new versions for that.
>
> Word 97/2000 viewer:
> http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/wd97vwr32.aspx
>
> Power Point 97/2000/XP viewer:
> http://www.microsoft.com/office/ork/xp/appndx/appa13.htm
>
> There are viewers for everything else, too.
I have not checked the above sites. Do these applications run on Linux,
BeOS, Mac?
> AFAIK, the only file format change in XP was in Power Point.
>
> > I have to laugh the new Office XP is going to allow users to write their
> own
> > custom XML routines for dynamic and context sensitive interaction with
the
> > application. NOW all of a sudden all the Windows advocates have a love
of
> > *scripting* XML. (which involves typing, an action similar to how CLI
> > works). This is going to be a big HIT with the *AVERAGE* user? I think
> > this is aimed at advanced users in the corporate market.
>
> Facinating stuff, that, isn't it? So all this Office' macros VBA, (which
> invovle typing, an action similar to how CLI workd), is also useless?
> What about writing a document in Word (which invovle typing, an action
> similar to how CLI work), is that for advanced users in the corporate
market
> only too?
I see my *mistake* programming is just typing, my secretary can do it?
*shrug*
BTW I didn't say it was *useless*. Don't put words into my mouth. I'm
pointing out
that Winvocates are always complaining about CLI and typing under Linux and
supposedly in Windows *EVERYTHING* is sooooo much easier using the GUI. "All
you ever need to do is use the GUI. blah.. blah... blah.." This further
proves that to do anything more producive under windows requires technical
knowledge and typing at some sort of command prompt.
> > Linux has less than 5% of the desktop market. Why are you Windows guys
so
> > worried about Linux? Live and let live, use what works for you.
>
> Um, no, Linux has less than 2%, not 5%, that is Macs.
It's still less than 5% isn't it? Or has basic high shool math been
redefined in my absence? Besides the question remains why are the Wintrolls
defending Windows against against an OS that has less than 2% market share?
Seems rather irrational?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 06:04:16 GMT
On Wed, 23 May 2001 05:09:22 +0200, Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> For instance, the OS plays a big part in what aplications you CAN run. If
>> I want to run GUI apps *remotely*, MS cant help me.
>
> Sure it can.
> Terminal Server will do it just fine.
I'm not familiar with that, when I was networking with Ms products
a 'terminal server' was a box that connected to a lan, and allowed
terminals (RS232) to access the network.
Is the MS 'terminal server' a Citrix Winframe ripoff ?
And does it come with the OS, or is it a seperate product that
you need to purchase ?
>
>> > Comments, anyone?
>> > OK, well, let us be realistic?
>> > Flames, anyone?
>> Hahah why flame you, you're quite reasonable :)
>
> I *am* posting to an advocacy groups, that seems to be the only requirement.
Not as far as I'm concerned.
You're reasonable, I'm reasonable, we are both
professional people, where is the need to *flame* here ?
>
>
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Kind Regards
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Hypothetical
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 06:27:08 GMT
On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:26:38 -0700,
Paolo Ciambotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One other thing about the 6300 series was an optional package where you
> could run a virtual DOS machine under UNIX, much like today's VMware.
Or much like todays Dosemu ?
> You
> could stick a DOS app in the crontab, feed it with a script, and pipe the
> output to a UNIX program. Pretty cool for as long ago as that was.
A couple of years ago, I needed to use DOS regurally for a microprocessor
burner I had made up. It was a parallel port burner, driven by this cool
Dos freeware, and I used it daily before designing my own Linux based
burner.
The hoops I had to go thru to use a Linux compiler, and a Dos burner were
just horrible, the Makefile was *ugly*!
Then I found out that Linux and Dosemu, can be configured so that if
you exectute a *DOS* app from Linux, the system will run that app
automatically thru DosEmu, like any other app!
Futhermore I found my DOS app ran perfectly from the Linux EXT2
file system, so I didn't even need a DOS partition.
But it was still DOS, and 8.3 filenames drive me insane, as theyre so
limiting.
terrys_3rd_burner_attempt_1999.txt becomes terrys_3.rd_ what a farce!
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Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: IBM uses mainframe to woo Linux fans
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 06:37:36 GMT
On Wed, 23 May 2001 16:20:31 +1200,
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6006251.html?tag=mn_hd
>
> Now IBM is getting serious about Linux.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
>
Thanks for posting this, I just checked it out and that web site
is *fast*!
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:33:11 +1200
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 23 May 2001 05:09:22 +0200, Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> For instance, the OS plays a big part in what aplications you CAN run.
If
> >> I want to run GUI apps *remotely*, MS cant help me.
> >
> > Sure it can.
> > Terminal Server will do it just fine.
> I'm not familiar with that, when I was networking with Ms products
> a 'terminal server' was a box that connected to a lan, and allowed
> terminals (RS232) to access the network.
>
> Is the MS 'terminal server' a Citrix Winframe ripoff ?
>
> And does it come with the OS, or is it a seperate product that
> you need to purchase ?
Microsoft licensed the technology off Citrix, and they pay a royalty back to
them (Citrix) for every license sold. So everything is above board. There
is a Citrix client for virtually every OS out there, even QNX RTP. The
cheaper alternative on Linux is XServer. At Massey University they had a
UNIX server in which you could use either xfree86 or X-Win32 to hook into.
The speed was pretty good, even over a heavily used 100Mbit's lan.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 06:40:06 GMT
On Tue, 22 May 2001 19:32:32 -0700, Paolo Ciambotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>> Because you slap a CD and it works. Plain and simple.
What this person means is that Windows is 'plain', and he is
'simple'.
>
> Good. Now come on over and fix the fuckin' Windows registry on my wife's
> PC. All she did was uninstall some printshop type programs to make room
> for a new game and now the dreaded "your system has become unstable"
> message pops up every two minutes.
>
> Yeah, it just works. And you're selling beachfront property in Arizona.
Ahhhahahahahahah!
LOL
:)))))))))))))))))))
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: RIP the Linux desktop
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 23 May 2001 06:54:17 GMT
On Tue, 22 May 2001 21:56:52 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> > In article <9ec11j$oql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >
>> >> And once again, who cares? What is it to you or any of us? Linux
>> >> was just fine before it was noticed by money chewing corporate
>> >> types (like yourself) and will be just fine after.
>> >>
>> >> We didnt make it for *you*.
>> MS didn't make Windows for you either, they made it for
>> *your money*.
>
> You're replying to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so why respond to me?
Sorry I couldn't help myself, you know us Linzealots :)
>
>> > No wonder Linux is an also ran in the desktop.
>>
>> In the light of the Justice Dept findings, this comment
>> just makes you sound ignorant.
>
> Really. And what's the outcome of the court case so far? Zilch!
So what ???
Microsoft are still guilty as charged.
>
>> On my desktop, Windows is 'once ran, now consigned
>> to the wheelie bin of history'.
>
> Yet Microsoft show no sign of stopping.
Yeah I couldn't understand that, I was so sure
that when I stopped buying MS products they'd fold;-)
>
> --
> Pete
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:42:42 -0600
On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:08:40 +1000, "Interconnect"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The latest distributions of Linux are improving their Graphical User
>Interface at an incredible pace. Installation of Linux *used to be* a
>problem, I believe these issues have largely been fixed.
>
>There is a growing list of applications that run under the GUI which are
>also becoming more feature rich. Once these applications mature, Windows
>will be a tough sell. Gaming being one area where Linux is lagging, but once
>companies start releasing titles for Linux it's not inconceivable that even
>more users will jump on board.
I'm not sure ease of OS installation and administration really
matters. Windows or Linux, most of my non-techie friends come to me
for that kind of thing. Most hardware manufacturers pre-install
Windows and provide pre-installed HD images on CD. The same thing will
happen when linux takes off.
>However all this Linux GUI stuff is being done leaving access to the
>underlying system intact. Technical users can use all of the *nix CLI tools
>they need and want to make their OS behave and *WORK* the way they want to.
>Complete control.
MS has lost sight of the role we techies play in peoples' choice of
software. Friends are always coming to me for advice on which
applications to buy. When their systems have problems I'm the one they
come to for a free fix instead of paying a king's ransom to some
computer shop, so if I can't or won't work on it they don't buy it.
It's hard to know for sure, but I'd guess that I have single-handedly
cost Microsoft at least a dozen Win2K sales simply by telling people
that I won't help them fix it if it breaks.
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:38:46 -0600
On 23 May 2001 04:56:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
>On 22 May 2001 19:15:32 -0500,
> Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> "Fred K Ollinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:9eejc5$ctu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> Where do I download a copy of win xp?
>Sadly this may be Ms's last publicly available 'piratable OS', as
>home piracy now offends Ms's palate.
Speaking of MS and piracy, here's one to gloat over. Seems they're
damned if they do, and damned if they don't:
-------------------------------------------------------------
<http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5067906.html>
New Microsoft Office faces dual obstacles
"When Microsoft releases Office XP in a few months, the company will
face off against its two toughest competitors: software pirates and,
well, Microsoft."
"On one front, Microsoft must convince as many as 120 million Office
95 and 97 users to upgrade to the new version, an opportunity
customers passed over with Office 2000. On the other front, the
Redmond, Wash.-based company must combat lost sales to casual and
professional pirates. In North America alone, potentially one out of
every four copies of Office is pirated, meaning it was copied
illegally."
<snip>
"But Office sales are slowing, with revenue during Microsoft's second
fiscal quarter declining 2 percent year over year to $2.49 billion
from $2.53 billion. The fiscal third quarter is expected to be flat or
show similar declines."
"No other product is more important to Microsoft than Office," said
Gartner analyst Chris LeTocq. "Any slowdown in Office sales is bound
to hurt the whole company."
"Particularly as Microsoft prepares for perhaps the most important
strategic shift in its history--moving to Windows XP and the
Microsoft.Net software-as-a-service initiative--strong Office sales
could be essential to carrying the company through the transition."
<snip>
"If you have factories in China ripping off Microsoft product, clearly
this is a problem," Lucier said. "You have the Chinese government
saying Windows is the tool of American imperialism and saying, 'We
want our world to run on Red Flag Linux.' That's a serious problem for
Microsoft."
<snip>
But some analysts warn Microsoft could kill the golden goose while
trying to minimize losses.
"In the Chinese market, they're very sensitive that Microsoft is a
tool of U.S. nationalism, and here is an approach that may give them
reason to stick with generating illegal copies of Office 2000," LeTocq
said.
<snip>
"The activation mechanism, which locks Office to a particular PC
configuration, is expected to help combat casual piracy, such as
friends sharing copies of Office or small businesses buying one copy
for many PCs. "
"We found that the vast majority of piracy is this kind of casual
piracy," said Lisa Gurry, a product manager for Office XP. "This
Office activation wizard is designed to combat this casual piracy."
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