Linux-Advocacy Digest #224, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 08:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Sandman)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Tim Adams)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? (Stuart Krivis)
Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!! (Stuart Krivis)
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From: Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:09:57 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > PDF **is** a proprietary format. It's owned by Adobe. It's no less
> > > proprietary than DOC or XLS.
> >
> > It si completely open , though.
>
> Is it? Is the source available and can anyone modify that source?
PDF is a document format, not an application. The format is open, meaning
anyone can write PDF plugins or PDF readers. Or at least, this is probably
what the poster meant. I have no real clue about wheather PDF is open or
not.
But compare it to Postscript, another Adobe format, that isn't open, and
Apple choose not to use it since the license was to expensive.
--
Sandman[.net]
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:13:42 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Thaddius Maximus"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >>
> >> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are
> >> > > no more cultured than the Americans.
> >> >
> >> > The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long
> >> > way to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path
> >> > at the head of the world?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
> >> that the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax"
> >> hype created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony
> >> Blaire's second term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better,
> >> we know who won! unlike the US election that just dragged on and on.
> >> Mind you, I never followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches
> >> democracy doesn't practice it when election time rolls around.
> >>
> >> Matthew Gardiner
> >>
> >
> >
> > If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that the
> > USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
>
> It's a representative democracy.
>
No, it's a republic! The term "representative democracy" is purely
to satisfy those who cannot grasp that the USA is a republic and who
remain committed to believing that the USA is a democracy. It's
simply a term to satisfy the ignorant.
Nowhere in the US Constitution can the word "democracy" be found,
must less the term "representative democracy."
The biggest abusers of the term democracy, embarrassingly and
unfortunately, are US politicans.
....
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:19:21 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g83h9$i3f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Thaddius Maximus"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are
> > >> > > no more cultured than the Americans.
> > >> >
> > >> > The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long
> > >> > way to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path
> > >> > at the head of the world?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
> > >> that the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax"
> > >> hype created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony
> > >> Blaire's second term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better,
> > >> we know who won! unlike the US election that just dragged on and on.
> > >> Mind you, I never followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches
> > >> democracy doesn't practice it when election time rolls around.
> > >>
> > >> Matthew Gardiner
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that the
> > > USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
> >
> > It's a representative democracy.
> >
> > -Ed
>
> Also, until the day that the US practices what it preaches, no one will
> really see the US as a true democracy.
>
> Matthew gardiner
>
Arrrgggghhhh...
The USA is NOT a democracy much less a true democracy! Our founding
fathers steered very clear of a democracy system and for good reason.
Here is a link to a very short and concise read about Republic vs.
Democracy with some background on the decision for a republic:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2000/tst121200.htm
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:28:40 +0100
Rotten168 wrote:
>
> Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
> > > > > more cultured than the Americans.
> > > >
> > > > The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long way
> > > > to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path at the
> > > > head of the world?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows that
> > > the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
> > > created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's second
> > > term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
> > > unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
> > > followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice it
> > > when election time rolls around.
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner
> > >
> >
> > If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that
> > the USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
> >
> > ....
>
> Grrr... the US is a democratic republic... a Jeffersonian democracy. The
> two are not opposite you know.
>
Sorry, but what you have posted are just buzzwords. The USA is a republic.
See:
http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm
======
"There's a record of a famous conversation between Benjamin Franklin
and a Mrs. Powell of Philadelphia that went something like this:
Powell: 'What type of government has the Constitution formed?'
Franklin: 'A Republic, if we can keep it.'"
======
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:34:43 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
> >> that the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax"
> >> hype created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony
> >> Blaire's second term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better,
> >> we know who won! unlike the US election that just dragged on and on.
> >> Mind you, I never followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches
> >> democracy doesn't practice it when election time rolls around.
> >
> > <sigh>
> >
> > Talk about keeping your head in your own little world. You don't know
> > the first thing about American Democracy. That election fiasco was an
> > example of how firm and solid the American democracy is and how it can
> > withstand the challenge of corrupt officials (Gore, Clinton) and an
> > attack from within.
>
> I think that the first-past-the-post method used in the UK and US for
> elections is out of date. It had its place when communications were poor
> and proportional representation would have been very difficult to do. In
> this day and age, I can't see how a system which lets the guy who got
> fewer actual votes overall get in to power can be justified. We have a
> similar problem here that the number of seats a party gets is not
> linearly related to the number of votes they get, but rather less fair.
>
Maybe you'll enjoy reading the following and realize that mob rule
is not in the best interest of each individual's liberty.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2000/tst121200.htm
....
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:52:59 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> > Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up
> > in the name of government handouts.
> >
> > As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can
> > vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders
> > like that which is taking place in Europe today.
>
> What country(s) may that be?
>
Balkan countries.
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:38:29 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> > > The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
> that
> > > the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
> > > created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's
> second
> > > term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
> > > unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
> > > followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice
> it
> > > when election time rolls around.
> >
> > <sigh>
> >
> > Talk about keeping your head in your own little world. You don't
> > know the first thing about American Democracy. That election fiasco
> > was an example of how firm and solid the American democracy is and
> > how it can withstand the challenge of corrupt officials (Gore, Clinton)
> > and an attack from within.
>
> Well, for 500 years, Britainnia has never had that sort of issues to worry
> about. New Zealand, that hasn't happened. I think it happened once in
> Australia, but the governor general desolved parliament and there was a
> re-election.
>
> Also, we all know what American Democracy = Large corporations using parties
> to push their agenda.
>
You keep using the term "American democracy," would you please explain
to this American its context in the scheme of the US Constitution?
....
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:58:06 +0100
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> >
> > GreyCloud wrote:
> > >
> > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The first thing that Americans are proud of is their proper use of the
> > > > > word 'there'. The second thing that we Americans are proud of is both
> > > >
> > > > Spelling flames are the lowest form of flame.
> > > >
> > > > > our level of education and the fact that we pay for our own education.
> > > >
> > > > Is that something to be proud of? I don't see how either way.
> > > >
> > > > > Americans learn a sense of accomplishment and independence at an early
> > > > > age.
> > > >
> > > > Through their parents paying for education? How does that teach
> > > > independence?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Unlike your country, we Americans do not feel the need to have our
> > > > > government take the majority of our income and then dole it back out to
> > > > > us as seen fit.
> > > >
> > > > maximum of 40% is not a majority.
> > > >
> > > > > Most all medical programs in Eurpoe are a complete disaster. The NHS
> > > > > in the UK should be disbanded immediately.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'm glad you don't live here, because I do not want to see the NHS
> > > > disappearing any time. I think it is a quite amazing service and
> > > > something we should be proud of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Nowhere in the world does an individual have a greater chance of success
> > > > > building a small business than in the USA. No other nation on Earth
> > > > > puts more money into research and development than the USA.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any evidence to back this up, or are you just spouting?
> > > >
> > > > > Without the USA, mother Russia would have gobbled up most all of Europe
> > > > > long ago.
> > > >
> > > > Without mother Russia, the Nazia would have gobbled up the "land of the
> > > > free" long ago.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thats true. If I recall it was in the civil war that Russia sent over a
> > > fleet that stopped England and France from picking up the pieces.
> >
> > What's true? Are you suggesting that America was saved because of
> > Russia???
> >
>
> Yes. Back during the Civil War England was up North in Canada waiting in
> the wings, to the South France was waiting in the wings, all waiting to
> pick up the pieces and invade.
> Russia sent over a large fleet and sort of changed their minds about
> it. Go do some historical research,.... and you won't find it in you
> high school history books either.
> Those books are pretty much trash now. Current high school history
> books don't even jive up with the 60's high school history books.
>
> > First off, the Nazis didn't kill 20 million Russians. Stalin killed
> > 20 million Russians by leaving them out in the freezing elements
> > without supplies for extended periods of time.
> >
>
> The part is out of context with the American Civil war.
>
Civil War ??? We were talking about WWII. Are you on mushrooms?
....
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Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
From: Tim Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:14:53 GMT
in article evMV6.79854$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Daniel Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6/13/01 12:26
PM:
> "Tim Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> in article IIwV6.78543$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
>> Daniel Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6/12/01 6:28
>> PM:
>>>> Nope. Give me some URLs.
>>>
>>> Hmm. Well, Apple uses quite a few of them.
>>> Check out, for instance:
>>>
>>> http://developer.apple.com/macosx/gettingstarted/
>>>
>>> A bunch of the links on this page are to PDFs.
>>
>> but the original claim was 'using PDF's to create web pages, not 'having
>> links to PDF files on a web page.
>
> It's the same thing.
>
>> Now show us a link to a PDF web page.
>
> Oh, if you insist:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/DeveloperTools/ProjectBuilder/Abo
> utBox/AboutBox.pdf
>
Try again - that was a link to a pdf file for downloading NOT a link to a
web page. There is a difference you know. Or do you know?
The page itself (not the downloaded file) was NOT created as a PDF file.
> That'll get mangled by OE fer sure. :(
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:13:21 +1200
>>Well, for 500 years, Britainnia has never had that sort of issues to worry
>>about. New Zealand, that hasn't happened. I think it happened once in
>>Australia, but the governor general desolved parliament and there was a
>>re-election.
>>
>>Also, we all know what American Democracy = Large corporations using parties
>>to push their agenda.
>>
>>
>
>
> You keep using the term "American democracy," would you please explain
> to this American its context in the scheme of the US Constitution?
>
Both the democrats and republicans supported by large corps. the
election system has been setup so that only these two parties can get
into parliament. Also, the situation isn't helped by the poor voter turn
out.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:15:48 +1200
>>>>If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that the
>>>>USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
>>>>
>>>It's a representative democracy.
>>>
>>>-Ed
>>>
>>Also, until the day that the US practices what it preaches, no one will
>>really see the US as a true democracy.
>>
>>Matthew gardiner
>>
>>
>
>
> Arrrgggghhhh...
>
> The USA is NOT a democracy much less a true democracy! Our founding
> fathers steered very clear of a democracy system and for good reason.
>
> Here is a link to a very short and concise read about Republic vs.
> Democracy with some background on the decision for a republic:
>
> http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2000/tst121200.htm
>
So, what you are saying is that the US doesnot have a democratically
elected government? Even though the government preaches those ideals to
other countries, such as those in the Bulkins.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:19:45 +1200
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> Rotten168 wrote:
>
>>Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>>
>>>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>>news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>
>>>>>>Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
>>>>>>more cultured than the Americans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long way
>>>>>to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path at the
>>>>>head of the world?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows that
>>>>the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
>>>>created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's second
>>>>term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
>>>>unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
>>>>followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice it
>>>>when election time rolls around.
>>>>
>>>>Matthew Gardiner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that
>>>the USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
>>>
>>>....
>>>
>>Grrr... the US is a democratic republic... a Jeffersonian democracy. The
>>two are not opposite you know.
>>
>>
>
>
> Sorry, but what you have posted are just buzzwords. The USA is a republic.
>
> See:
> http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm
>
I see what you mean now. The European Union are hoping to end up being
something close to the, United States of Europe, of something to that
effect.
So, in theory, it is very similar to how the Russian Federation is
structured.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:28:36 +1200
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>>>The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
>>>>that the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax"
>>>>hype created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony
>>>>Blaire's second term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better,
>>>>we know who won! unlike the US election that just dragged on and on.
>>>>Mind you, I never followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches
>>>>democracy doesn't practice it when election time rolls around.
>>>>
>>><sigh>
>>>
>>>Talk about keeping your head in your own little world. You don't know
>>>the first thing about American Democracy. That election fiasco was an
>>>example of how firm and solid the American democracy is and how it can
>>>withstand the challenge of corrupt officials (Gore, Clinton) and an
>>>attack from within.
>>>
>>I think that the first-past-the-post method used in the UK and US for
>>elections is out of date. It had its place when communications were poor
>>and proportional representation would have been very difficult to do. In
>>this day and age, I can't see how a system which lets the guy who got
>>fewer actual votes overall get in to power can be justified. We have a
>>similar problem here that the number of seats a party gets is not
>>linearly related to the number of votes they get, but rather less fair.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe you'll enjoy reading the following and realize that mob rule
> is not in the best interest of each individual's liberty.
>
> http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2000/tst121200.htm
>
>
The New Zealand Government:
http://www.govt.nz/nzgovt/nzgovt.php3
The New Zealand Government, Homepage for Cabnet Ministers:
http://www.executive.govt.nz/
All pages are served from a Linux based server running php, for those
who wish to maintain their puritan Linux ways.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:29:58 +1200
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
>>>Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up
>>>in the name of government handouts.
>>>
>>>As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can
>>>vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders
>>>like that which is taking place in Europe today.
>>>
>>What country(s) may that be?
>>
>>
>
>
> Balkan countries.
>
They aren't in the European Union and as a result donot come under the
European Union's Humans Rights Act.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis)
Subject: Re: Why did Eazel shutdown?
Date: 14 Jun 2001 07:11:59 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 17 May 2001 18:53:02 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No,... identity fraud is a very real threat in the US. There are dozens
> of news articles here of identity theft that has caused people
> nightmares.
>
But anonymous posting to usenet is not likely to prevent identity theft.
It's more likely that the minimum-wage employee at the restaurant you
ate at last night is selling your info.
I would also imagine that Newsfeeds will turn you over pretty quickly if
given the right motivation. Try using this "anonymous" server to post
death threats against George Bush. There will be a knock at your door
pretty quickly. :-)
I don't have any problem with people posting anonymously, but I'm not
likely to answer them in c.o.l.a. I don't feel this is an appropriate
place for anonymity. There is enough trouble with trolls that have
multiple personalities without the multi-headed anonymous monster adding
to the fun. How do you tell who's who? :-)
"You misquoted me, it was the other anonymous that said that."
--
Stuart Krivis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis)
Subject: Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!!
Date: 14 Jun 2001 07:19:02 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 14 Jun 2001 07:06:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>heineken?
>
>> That's lager isn't it?
>
> No, its pilsner. Read the goddamned can.
A pils is a lager. Lager means a certain type of yeast (I think it's
bottom-fermenting, while ale yeast is top-fermenting) and refrigeration
during fermentation.
--
Stuart Krivis
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