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   - Conor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Mock
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:07 AM
> To: General Linux-HA mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Linux-HA] STONITH, default fencing time, forced-fencing
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: "Andreas Kurz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Gesendet: 12.08.08 22:27:30
> > An: "General Linux-HA mailing list" <[email protected]>
> > Betreff: Re: [Linux-HA] STONITH, default fencing time,
> forced-fencing
> >
> > Of course ... one instance should be enough but isn't it
> safer to make
> > sure that every node is able to stonith any other node ...
> no matter
> > in which state the complete cluster is?
> >
>
> I thought this too longtime ago. I ended also configuring
> stonith as separate primitive resource for each node and
> constraints forcing a sonith plugin not to run on its controlled node.
>
> Why this: In my case (and I'm pretty sure that's also valid
> for other scenarios) the stonith device can only serve
> exactly ONE connection. That means only one user/plugin can
> connect to the stonith device at a time. As soon as I used
> clones I couldn't guarantee that only one clone connects to
> the stonith device at one time. The monitor action is
> implemented as a connection attempt with gathering some more
> or less meaningful status information.
> I got many (wrong) monitoring failures. And therefore using
> clones was not appropriate.
>
> Stonith plugin contributors should test and document if the
> plugin is "clone-aware".
>
> Another issue is that on a two node cluster the usage of
> clones where the clone instance  running on the node it can't
> shoot (suicide forbidden) is IMHO more or less the same as
> using one primitive stonith ressource and an appropriate
> constraint avoiding a wrong node/stonith assignment.
>
> By  the way: I really never got the feeling to understand the
> stonith subsystem and its behaviour more that 60%. Probably
> I/we have to take Dejan for one or more beer and asking him
> anything we don't know about this.  :-))
>
> Best regards
> Andreas Mock
>
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