On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Andrew Beekhof wrote:
On 7/16/07, David Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Andrew Beekhof wrote:
> Lets call a spade a spade shall we...
>
> This is a thinly veiled put-down of the people who have been doing
Alan's
> job for the last 7 months.
this did not read as a put-down to someone who hasn't been intimatly
involved
over the last seveal months. remember that e-mail doesn't show
experessions or
tone of voice, don't assume the worst intentions unless they are
completely
clear.
The first two lines of the summary are pretty clear...
Particularly when read in the context of other emails, changes to IRC topics
and wiki page edits over the last few days.
I haven't been on IRC and don't go to the wiki enough to see the changes that
are offending you. I won't comment on this futher.
> However I see no reason to trust Alan with the task of providing timely
> access to bug fixes for users of most major distributions. I no longer
have
> confidence in his leadership of the project and it remains to be seen
how
> long his renewed interest will last.
>
>
> So I will continue to provide well tested, high quality package updates
and
> people can make their own choice.
what I (as a long time user of heartbeat) would prefer to competeing
releases
and project fragmentation is instead some more discussion about what needs
to be
done to have more official releases.
The discussion has been had and re-had, both in public and in private, far
too many times to recall. Nothing has ever changed.
So I've given up talking.
If and when there is no longer a need for "Interim" packages you'll find me
down the pub celebrating. But until that day I'll continue doing what needs
to be done to ensure that we never again wait 7+ months to get bug-fixes to
people.
Alan,
this seems to be the pivitol gripe here, what would it take to change things
so that releases are not dependant on a single person?
up till now this minimum set of tests has included a lengthy test period on
the
hell cluster, which not enough other people have had access to.
Apparently I was not clear.
The "hell cluster" has not found a unique bug in over a year.
Its use during testing does not make a given version any more suitable for
deployment than if it had not been.
does everyone else agree with this? (I'm not questioning your honesty, just
asking if there are any bugs that you may not be remembering)
If this cluster
can now be accessed by others to test, and everyone can agree on a test
methodology that must be completed sucessfully before a release then it
should
be possible for people other then Alan to make official releases.
going the route that the kernel has gone with each distro patching the base
version and distributing slightly different things, but all named the same
version numbers is not the way I would want to see this project go. please
try
to avoid this.
The Interim packages include a version suffix which should identify that
they are based on but different from Alan's releases.
Not completely ideal, but as I said, there are many things I would rather be
doing than putting out releases so I'll not be loosing sleep over it.
I don't mind a release that's clearly not the official release (again useing the
kernel as an example, there are -mm, -ck, -rt, etc releases that are all clearly
seperate), until people start saying "don't use the official release, it's junk,
use this one instead". at that point it starts being a problem.
David Lang
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