On 11/29/2011 04:28 PM, Muhammad Sharfuddin wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:47 +0100, Tim Serong wrote:
>> On 11/28/2011 06:54 PM, Muhammad Sharfuddin wrote:
>>> is it good/required to create order constraint for sbd resource
>>>
>>> I am using following fencing resource:
>>>
>>> primitive sbd_stonith stonith:external/sbd \
>>>     meta target-role="Started" \
>>>     op monitor interval="3000" timeout="120" \
>>>     op start interval="0" timeout="120" \
>>>     op stop interval="0" timeout="120" \
>>> params
>>> sbd_device="/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-360080e50002377b8000002ff4e4bc873"
>>>
>>> I have following order constraints:
>>>
>>> order resA-before-resB inf: resA resB symmetrical=true
>>> order resB-before-resC inf: resB resC symmetrical=true
>>>
>>> should I also create another constraint for sbd like:
>>>
>>> order sbd_stonith-before-resA inf: sbd_stonith resA symmetrical=true
>>>
>>> please help/suggest.
>>
>> No.  The STONITH resource doesn't need to be running in order for your
>> other resources to be operable (hence no need for an order constraint).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tim
> true, but if there is an order constraint for the STONITH resource, then
> it will at least make it sure that no other resource will be start
> before the STONITH resource.
>
> e.g:
> order sbd_stonith-before-resA inf: sbd_stonith resA symmetrical=true
>
> order resA-before-resB inf: resA resB symmetrical=true
> order resB-before-resC inf: resB resC symmetrical=true
>
> Because I stopped all the resources including STONITH resource(and
> stopping any resource sets the 'target-role="Stopped"'), then started
> all other resources else/except the STONITH resource, so at that time my
> cluster has no fencing resource available.

So, don't stop the STONITH resource :)

Side point: if you use "crm configure property stop-all-resources=true", 
this will stop all resources *except* for any STONITH resources.  The 
point being, you do always want them running...

> So in order to protect the cluster I thought that there should(must) be
> an order constraint that specifies that no other resource(s) will be
> start if STONITH resource is stopped/unavailable.
>
> Please suggest/recommend

You should generally be OK without order constraints on STONITH 
resources.  I don't recall seeing any other systems where people had 
created these constraints.  I should also note that if, say, your 
STONITH resource is running on node-0 and that node dies, the cluster 
will start the STONITH resource on node-1, to kill node-0.  It's smart 
enough.

Worst case, if your STONITH resource is completely broken, and a node 
fails and thus can't be killed, the cluster will sit there and log 
errors to syslog about its inability to kill the misbehaving node.

(Question for everyone else: did I miss anything?)

Regards,

Tim
-- 
Tim Serong
Senior Clustering Engineer
SUSE
[email protected]
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