Linux-Hardware Digest #876, Volume #9 Tue, 30 Mar 99 13:13:27 EST
Contents:
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Terry Sikes)
Re: Creative DVD-ROM ("John B")
Re: APC Smart UPS 700 and Linux (Daniel Ganek)
Re: Trying to Config a Turtle Beach Montego A3D Card ("S. Prest")
Re: linux on PC/104 (Thomas Natschlaeger)
Strange SCSI timeout ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 3c905B TX 10/100 - installation problem (Jim Reynolds)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (westprog)
Re: Help me spend $2,000 on a new Linux-based computer (Shimpei Yamashita)
i740 chipset AGP Card ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Horror story with a VIA chipset (Julian Thomas)
AZT1008 PnP. (Sandeep K Shandilya)
Re: BT848 and bt 878 TV cards support in Linux (William Burrow)
Re: What motherboards for PII SECC/SECC-2 ? (Allen)
Re: (Yet Another) Hardware Question..! (Allen)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) ("Jon A.
Maxwell (JAM)")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Sikes)
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:00:34 GMT
In article <7do9kb$d9g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
westprog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well in some ways, New and Old mixed together slowly could be perfect.
>> You'd get innovation and new technology, and with the old all the bugs
>> would have been worked out. So as they slowly mix together, more bug
>> fixes and improvements are made, though because of the slow mixing, most
>> of the bugs aren't released to the general public, or if they are get
>> eliminated very shortly after the release. Hmm sounds like linux.
>
>That is an excellent way to fix bugs, but it is totally unable to fix poor
>initial design decisions. What happens on Linux when you type 'rm * .tmp'
>instead of 'rm *.tmp'? Just the same as on any Unix system for the last 20
>years. Why hasn't it been fixed? Because it would break old programs.
You're confusing user-level programs like rm with operating system
functionality.
>It simply isn't possible to design a 21st Century operating system that is
>backwards compatible with a 1980 OS.
Take a look at MacOS X Server (just officially released). Its a BSD
Unix underlying architecture that the end user never need know about,
at all (based on the NeXT technology that was this way in '88 or so).
Apple's intent is that the average MacOS X user never see a shell
prompt. The developer program isn't bad, and WebObjects seems to be
picking up a little steam...
Terry
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From: "John B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Creative DVD-ROM
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:34:16 +0100
Linux seems to read the UFS discs no problem, you can read the files,
although not do a lot with them and it also reports the size okay too !
BTW I run Read Hat 5.2 on a bit of a messy 2.036 kernel
John B
Simone Figlie' wrote in message <7diu6e$5et$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>does anyone know if linux use the creative dvd player as a ral dvd player,
>or just as a normal cd-rom? (e.g. can i watch my dvd movies under linux?
and
>can i use my dxr2 card? or there are some dvd players for X?)
>
>thanks.
>
>
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From: Daniel Ganek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: APC Smart UPS 700 and Linux
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:07:34 -0500
Christoph Wegener wrote:
>
> Hi,
> does anybody know if there is the possibility to run the APC Smart UPS
> 700 together with Linux?!? Which daemon do I need?!? Which cable?!?
> Where can I find any docu?!?
>
> Thanks in advance...
> ChristophCheckout
Checkout http://www.apcc.com
Cable is probably the black cable 940-0024c
/dan
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From: "S. Prest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Trying to Config a Turtle Beach Montego A3D Card
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:30:43 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spud wrote:
> Unless you pull some strings at Turtle Beach, it ain't gonna happen
> soon. There is currently no linux driver available for this card (i have it
> too). However, OSS (www.opensound.com) is working on a beta version of the
> driver right now.
> >
> > I have a Turtle Beach Montego A3D 64 Voice PCI Sound Card. I am wondering
> >if anyone has a Linux Driver for it. I am running Redhat Linux 5.2.
> >
> > reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kenny Jones
> >
> >
> >
I have a Diamond MX300, which doesnt work under linux either, maybe some sort
of petition should be started for aureal support under linux.
-Sean Prest
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From: Thomas Natschlaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux on PC/104
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:10:51 +0200
Walter Harms wrote:
> Holger Blinzinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Anyone here who tried installing linux on a PC/104-module?
> >I'm planning on booting from a flash disk. What do I have to pay
> >attention to?
> >What about Kernel-modifications?
>
> ich plane selbiges und habe zu diesem zweck ein paar sachen
> zusammengestellt.
> Soll ich das mal schicken ?
> Kannst du mir etwas mehr ueber euer project sagen ?
>
> walter
Hello,
ich waere auch daran interessiert, wie es euch beim installieren von
Linux auf PC/104 systemen ergeht. An der Tech. Univ. Graz (Austria)
findet ein Robotik Wettbewerb statt, wo PC/104 Systeme eingesezt werden.
Wenn Ihr also gute Info habt bitte an mich senden! Danke!
Hier ein link der euch vielleicht interessiert:
http://www.esrf.fr/computing/cs/sysadmin/rtk/pc104project/howto/linux/master.htm
-thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Strange SCSI timeout
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:40:29 GMT
Hi.
Running a Future Domain 3260. Kernel 2.0.36. Pent 75.
All devices seem to be running ok, but then I try to fetch many files
on 10Mbit ethernet (3C509 ISA) I get SCSI timout. Reset SCSI bus.
The system boot just fine an I can run it for many our, but I allways
get the timeout during heavy eth. load ?
I have changed internel cabel. Disconncected all other divices but the HD
tested tranfer between: HD-HD, HD-CDROM ok. tested 2.2.3 kernel (kernel
panic) I have non externel SCSI devices connected. Checked base addresses,
IRQ. Moved the ethernet card to a other address and irq.
FD 3260 is a PCI SCSI2 controller. Used this same machine running
OS/2 LS4 without a fault. Only changed from PCI to ISA ethernet adapter.
Any good sugg. ?
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From: Jim Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.slakware
Subject: Re: 3c905B TX 10/100 - installation problem
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:58:58 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Michal Z." wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I use Slackware v.3.3 from InfoMagic and have just installed it on disk. I
> cannot configure my network device. It is 3COM 3c905B TX 10/100. I set
> values of this card to half duplex and speed - 10 Mb/s and I was trying to
> load 3c59x driver but it didn't help.
> Please could you tell me how to install it. I don't know if I use right
> driver and don't know how to say which io and irq it works with.
> Maybe you have any idea or newer driver?
> Thanks in advance
> Mike Z.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> or
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
you probably need to download a program called 3comcfg.exe from 3coms
web site to
turn off plug n pray and be sure and set your bios to legacy isa and not
pci if you
can. i know cause i had that problem on 3 boxes and it took me like 2
days to figure
it out. hope it helped.
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From: westprog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:08:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.lang.java.advocacy Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >snip<
> : The problem is not rm's, it's a fundamental problem of the CLI because the
> : shell, not the rm program, will expand the wildcards.
>
> As it should be.
>
> : The right thing to do is having the tool to expand the wildcards when
> : appropriate. You could stuff the expansion functionality in a shared lib
> : so the developer has the same convenience of not having to write it. And
> : the developer would have a change to check for suspicious parameters
> : before the expansion.
>
> MSDOS does this and we've seen the results, full stop.
>
> This is so far from being the "right thing" to do it isn't even
> funny.
>
> It also has been debated to *death*. The results, ever time, are
> that the *shell* must be the one that does the expansion. Anything
> else has the problems of MSDOS in that every app decides it has
> found a new and better way to do expansion, confusing the user and
> causing far more errors then it ever fixes.
The shell shouldn't do the expansion. The app shouldn't do its own expansion.
There should be a shared library to do expansions, and a myriad of other
simple tasks. This allows, for example, the CORBA commands which are
analogous to UNIX commands - 'rmit', 'lsit' etc, to expand filenames as
filenames, and CORBA identifiers as CORBA identifiers.
UNIX fans don't like shared libraries. They can always point to DLL hell as
proof that they don't work. In fact, the DLL debacle shows how you can
implement anything badly if you reallly want.
> If you really want an anal retentive rm(1) and friends, they are
> *very* easy to add without breaking anything:
>
> alias rm='rm -i'
> If you need something more fancy, a 10 line shell function will do
> wonders.
I recomend the analysis of this problem - safe deleting in UNIX - in "The
UNIX-Haters Handbook", chapter Two, where a succession of hacks and fixes are
tried to fix the 'rm *' problem, with ever more disastrous results. One user
describes how his version of 'rm' archives files rather than deleting them.
Unfortunately, the other tools he has with a delete facility don't work the
same way.
This is not the quirky behaviour of some shell or command - this is
fundamental to how Unix works, and the reason it has never been fixed is that
it can never be fixed. It should be used as an example for the next
generation system, not the basis.
J.
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From: Shimpei Yamashita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Help me spend $2,000 on a new Linux-based computer
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:00:01 +0100
David Fox <d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u> writes:
>Jet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Am I the only one who doesn't like big monitors? I don't like
>> anything bigger than 15".
>
>Quite possibly.
I know one person who doesn't like big monitors because she
gets neck strains looking up and down the screen. Everybody else I've
bothered to survey favors big monitors--bigger than 15", in any case;
very large monitors (> 19") can take up enough desk space to be a
nuisance, and it can be difficult to place a 21" monitor such that you
don't feel lost in all that space.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: i740 chipset AGP Card
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:19:30 GMT
Looking for a driver for XF86 for my 8 meg AGP Intel i740 series vidieo
card...Anyone know where I can get one free?
Am using Suse 5.3
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julian Thomas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Horror story with a VIA chipset
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:38:53 -0500
In <18%L2.39$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/30/99
at 01:35 AM, Mikael Bouillot <"mikael"@[REMOVE-THIS]colba.net> said:
>My last guess is that the DMA controller is responsible for this. I have
>a K6 on a VIA motherboard. Here's what I got from /proc/pci:
> VIA Technologies VT 82C597 Apollo VP3
>
> If you want to try this at home, just do a "head -c 200m /dev/urandom >
>file", then copy the file and compare the checksums using cksum a couple
>of times.
Hmmm - what's the entire stuff from /proc/pci? I'm running 5.1 on a FIC
VA503+ mobo with the via chipset. I'm wondering if this is rev level
sensitive.... Here's my test and /procs/pci:
checksum filesize filename
3073977818 684048358 fil1
3073977818 684048358 fil2
Here's /proc/pci:
PCI devices found:
Bus 0, device 10, function 0:
VGA compatible controller: ATI 210888GX (rev 3).
Medium devsel. IRQ 255.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4000000.
Bus 0, device 7, function 1:
IDE interface: VIA Technologies VT 82C586 Apollo IDE (rev 6).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable.
Latency=64.
I/O at 0x6400.
Bus 0, device 7, function 0:
ISA bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C586 Apollo ISA (rev 65).
Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts.
Bus 0, device 1, function 0:
PCI bridge: VIA Technologies Unknown device (rev 0).
Vendor id=1106. Device id=8598.
Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=4.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0x10100.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe0e0.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xdff0d800.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xaff0a800.
Bus 0, device 0, function 0:
Host bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C597 Apollo VP3 (rev 4).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable.
Latency=16.
Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe0000000.
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From: Sandeep K Shandilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AZT1008 PnP.
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:20:13 +0000
I have a AZT1008 PnP sound card. Is is supported? Is there a work
around?
bye
sandy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: BT848 and bt 878 TV cards support in Linux
Date: 30 Mar 1999 17:14:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 30 Mar 1999 01:02:16 GMT,
karlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know the bt848 is supported in Linux, but is the bt878 also supported?
>From the driver documentation:
Bttv is a device driver for frame grabber cards using the Bt848 family
of video decoder chips.
Among those are the Bt848, Bt848A, Bt849, Bt878 and Bt879.
So, it would seem to be supported.
Check the video4linux web pages for more info:
http://roadrunner.swansea.uk.linux.org/v4l.shtml
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen)
Subject: Re: What motherboards for PII SECC/SECC-2 ?
Date: 30 Mar 1999 02:17:52 GMT
They should fit the same socket as any slot-1, though they may require a
different mounting bracket? ( I doubt it though)
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:06:37 +0200, Leif Thuresson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Does the SECC-2 packed CPUs require new motherboards
>or do they fit in the same socket as SECC ?
>I was thinking of buying a ASUS P2B-DS board and need
>to now if SECC-2 CPUs will fit. I haven't found any info
>on the ASUS web-site.
>--leif
Allen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen)
Subject: Re: (Yet Another) Hardware Question..!
Date: 30 Mar 1999 02:31:59 GMT
For sound, I still haven't actually seen anyone using the extended functions
that started to creep into the SB32 and up... DirectX 6.0 may use some of the
3D features of the bleeding edge sound cards, but your best bet for performance
and compatibility is still a good old genuine SB16.
As for the video cards, you will need to get Xfree86 version 3.3.3.1 or better
anyway (RH 5.2 ships w/ 3.3.2, but even RH recommends upgrading because of a
minor security bug), and that will allow you choice of any of the new Matrox
G200 or G100 cards, or the Riva TnT based ones, and both of those are here now,
and reasonably priced. I prefer the Matrox cards, 'cause they have a history of
much better driver support for non-M$ OS's, vs Diamond's pitiful support for
most anything not sold by Bill G. 'till lately. ATI is another possibility?.
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:38:42 +1200, Glenn Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all, I will be purchasing a new system next week - the new PC will be
>running RedHat 5.2 and Windoze 95 (Hey I have to ok!!!)...Anyways, I was
>wondering if anyone here could suggest a video card and a sound card for
>purchase...
>
>The system will be a Celeron 400MHz / 64 MB RAM etc...blah blah.., and
>there are three requirements of the video and sound cards I choose...
>
>a) They must still be readily available and NOT outrageously expensive!
>b) They must both be supported by Linux (kernel 2.2.3) as I will be
>using Linux most often, for coding, productivity etc - and thirdly,
>c) They must provide enough performance so that all those programs which
>run under windoze and require a '3D accelerator card' to run, will still
>work nicely (ie, some nice 3D games...:)
>
>Thanks for any suggestions....
>Regards
>Glenn Watson
>
Allen
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From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 30 Mar 1999 17:38:12 GMT
westprog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
|Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> >snip<
[ "rm * .tmp" ]
| The shell shouldn't do the expansion. The app shouldn't do its own
| expansion. There should be a shared library to do expansions, and
| a myriad of other simple tasks. This allows, for example, the
ALL pattern expansions will take "* .tmp" and expand it 'incorectly',
whether it is done by the shell, the OS, or the programs.
A solution to this so-called problem is to use zsh as your shell.
When you type a pattern hit tab afterwards -- it will expand the
pattern on the command line where you can see it and verify it
| more disastrous results. One user describes how his version of
| 'rm' archives files rather than deleting them. Unfortunately, the
| other tools he has with a delete facility don't work the same way.
His solution is weak. He should patch clib's unlink(2) and rebuild
the bin programs (which are statically linked for a reason, btw). Or
better, he should write a virtual filesystem that archives files.
If you think this is too much work, consider how you would do it on
Windows. I had selected to use the recycle bin yet NT would
sometimes just delete files outright, sometimes send them to the
recycle bin, and sometimes send them to the recycle bin but they
would never show up there (depending on which system I was logged
into and which filesystem I was deleting from). The only solution is
to reinstall the whole network, right?
| I recomend the analysis of this problem - safe deleting in UNIX -
| in "The UNIX-Haters Handbook", chapter Two, where a succession of
That book is full of misunderstandings and slander.
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
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