Linux-Hardware Digest #988, Volume #9 Sat, 10 Apr 99 20:13:26 EDT
Contents:
Re: Bad Experience With ComputerWarehouse.com (JimmyD)
How do I swap disks in RedHat 5.2? (Peter J Arnold)
Re: PnP Modem ("Erik Akkermans")
Re: Diamond Modems (Rob Clark)
Sony DVD-Rom not detected (Frank Kuehnel)
Re: 3com / US robotics 56K (Rob Clark)
Re: Emachines & linux (Ed Wilts)
3Com 508 Red ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can I read an HP-UX backup tape? (Ian James)
Re: Help! unrecognized hard drive of ultra66, PII400 (Erich Pawlik)
Re: Ultra66 on Linux... (Erich Pawlik)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 ("Dan M. Johnson
(bagzman)(LinuxBox1)")
Re: Ax59pro and Linux..How well does your system work? (Matthias Kilian)
Re: Promise IDE Cards (Dwayne McGarty)
Re: How fast is your HD? (Tim Moore)
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From: JimmyD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Bad Experience With ComputerWarehouse.com
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:56:51 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I know alot of us are out building our own servers and workstations.
>
> Here's an unfortunate experience I had with one vendor:
>
> ComputerWarehouse (www.computerwarehouse.com)
>
There is a lot of trash on the 'net today. I have recieved defective
equipment, equipment without promised specs, used equipment (sold as
new). It's time to start slamming these slugs. Report bad vendors
here:
http://www.resellerratings.com/
We can make a difference and we don't need the government to do it!
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From: Peter J Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: How do I swap disks in RedHat 5.2?
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:28:56 +1000
G'day good people,
I have a standard Redhat 5.2 install on a 486 box with a scsi card. I
currently have RedHat install on sdb as per:
######
# cat /etc/fstab
/dev/sdb5 / ext2 defaults
1 1
/dev/sdb1 /boot ext2 defaults
1 2
/dev/sdb6 swap swap defaults
0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 noauto
0 0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro
0 0
none /proc proc defaults
0 0
elle:/export/opt3/distribs /opt/distribs nfs
user,exec,dev,suid,rw,noauto 1 1
elle:/export/online_doco/www /opt/www nfs
user,exec,dev,suid,rw,noauto 1 1
# df -k
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/sdb5 1980209 374207 1503654 20% /
/dev/sdb1 16833 770 15194 5% /boot
elle:/export/online_doco/www
673699 578969 93982 86% /opt/www
#####
I want to swap the disk sdb for another smaller scsi disk and transfer
all the current installation over onto the new disk.
I currnetly have both old and new disks installed but the new one is not
fdisked or formated.
Can I boot off the current installation, fdisk, format and transfer all
the data to the new disk, swap SCSI id's (between old and new disks) and
reboot?
Any suggestions/help/comments/pointers to relevant manuals etc would be
greatly appreciated.
TIA
--
Peter Arnold
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| Brisbane, Qld, Australia | To moo bovine. |
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From: "Erik Akkermans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PnP Modem
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:43:58 +0200
xavier cable wrote in mes. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi all,
>
>I have a PnP modem (ISA) and i succes to detect it with isapnp (ouff :)
>it write me :
>GVC000f/.....[0]{F-1128HV/T1 V34+ }: Port 0x3E8;IRQ5 --- Enabled OK
>
>So I think it works fine. but now I don't now how to go on : link
>/dev/modem to wich device ? Is that create a new COM port ?
>
>please help me or I will eat my dog ! :))
>
COM ports don't exist in Linux (well, the name COM that is), you'll have to
link to ttySn. n is the number of the port (Remember: COM1 = ttyS0, COM2 =
ttyS1, etc...)
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Subject: Re: Diamond Modems
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:31:31 GMT
In article <7eohip$e3g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
eX-frEEk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey, i'm a newbie, so i apologize for any idiocy in this post...
>
>i'm getting a new modem and wanted to know if the Diamond SupraExpress 56 PC
>is compatable with linux... 3com ones are too expensive... it doesn't seem
>to be a winmodem and its not PCI based either, so i think it should work...i
>just want to know if anyone has successfully used one of these modems in
>their linux systems yet..
Be very careful-- the SupraExpress 56i (ISA) is okay, the 56i Sp is okay,
but the 56i PRO is a winmodem. Please check this site:
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
to be sure. AFAIK, all of their PCI modems are winmodems as well. I have
no reports on the latest model 2710/2720 SupraExpress 56i V.90 modems, but
they are _probably_ okay.
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
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From: Frank Kuehnel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sony DVD-Rom not detected
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:30:24 -0400
Hi folks,
I can`t get my Sony DDU220E drive being recognized during
the boot process, "hdc: Q@Q@Q@Q@Q@Q@...",
unless linux itself is booted from CD, then everything works perfect.
Looks like this ATAPI drive uses a magic keyword to be initialized,
does somebody know the cure?
Thanks.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: 3com / US robotics 56K
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:37:26 GMT
In article <7eofpf$6tf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm trying to find a 56K modem that will work under linux. I checked the
>"Linux modems list," aka "Winmodems are not modems," and discovered that the
>3com / USRobotics Sportster 56K, model 1785, allegedly works fine.
>
>The problem is that I can't find any of these being sold anywhere. The
>closest model number I can find is 1787, and I can't find any technical
>details that tell if this one would probably be compatible, too. I'm curious
>if anyone else out there has had any success with this model.
[The 3Com/USR modems are split between the 4X2 and CJE sections of the web
page]
The 1787 modems are okay, but I believe that they all lack the Voice
features of the 1785. They may be very similar in all other respects--
I've never seen a 1785 up close and personal.
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
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From: Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Emachines & linux
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:00:14 -0500
Dean Pan wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting an $399 Emachine 300K to run linux. Has anyone
> experience any problem with this machine? Emachine in general? Thanks!
I read somewhere that it does run Linux, and that EMachines will give
you a rebate on your unused portion of Windows (like all of it!).
Note that the modem is a Winmodem, and therefore will not work. I don't
know if EMachines has an option to replace it or not ship it, or if
you'll have to buy it, turf it, and buy yourself a real modem.
.../Ed
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Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3Com 508 Red
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:59:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have 3Com508 red card but how i can configure it any budy can solve my
problem
where i can find its driver.
Thanx
Tahir
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From: Ian James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Can I read an HP-UX backup tape?
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:26:27 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sherwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:46:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to read a backup tape created with HP-UX's fbackup.
>
>I don't know anything about fbackup but the first thing I'd do is pull
>the raw data from the tape using dd (see the man page for more info):
>dd if=/dev/st0 of=/tmp/tape1 etc.
>
>From your examples, you seem to suggest that fbackup is a front end
>for cpio. If this is so, you shouldn't have any problems unpacking the
>files.
>
>I take an interest in these things and would appreciate an email when
>you finally sort this out.
>
>Good luck and best regards, Paul
>Paul Sherwin Consulting 22 Monmouth Road, Oxford OX1 4TD, UK
>Phone +44 (0)1865 721438 http://www.telinco.co.uk/psherwin/index.htm
>Fax +44 (0)1865 434331 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think the format is 3 individual files, two ascii and one tar file but
as described above, look and see is the best first step - maybe use:
dd if=/dev/nst0 of=/tmp/file count=20
file /tmp/file
The count=20 stops the whole archive from being copied to your disk.
The 'n' say no-rewind after reading the file so you can repeat the
commands until you get to the end of the tape.
Each file command should say if the format is recognisable.
--
Ian James
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From: Erich Pawlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help! unrecognized hard drive of ultra66, PII400
Date: 10 Apr 1999 23:32:18 GMT
The NT Bootloader is a bit tricky. The basic problems seems to be that
lilo is not able to boot from the Ultra66 (When installing lilo into the
MBR, the bios reported "Missing operating system") and when setting up a
Linux/NT bual boot configuration, the PC halted when selecting Linux in
the NT Bootloader. A more convenient way to do it is to have a small
(about 2 MB) DOS partition and to start loadling from the autoexec.bat
(don't forget to pass the ide2=0x...,0x... kernel parameters to loadlin).
NT believes that Linux is DOS and everything works fine.
Regards
Erich
dpc wrote:
> I as well have a new Ultra66 card. I did not install Linux on drives
> attached to this card (but I assume I could have) In any case, instead
of
> restating everything, I will point you to the UltraDMA HOWTO. It helped
me
> significantly and I now have my drives on the Ultra66 card working even
if
> the howto is for the Ultra33.
> http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA-5.html
>
> Instead of doing a cat /proc/pci, do a less /proc/pci - then it won't
just
> scroll through. But if you read the howto - you will see there are some
> numbers you have to get. As of now - I'm still booting linux from a
floppy
> b/c I can't set it set up in the NT bootloader, but at the boot prompt, I
> have to type the following:
> linux ide2=0x6c00,0x7002
> Once you read the tutorial, you will understand what this means. You may
> also have to play around with BIOS settings if, for example, you do the
> parameters and it disables another pci device. Good luck!
>
> dpc
>
>
> remove _NOSPAM- to e-mail directly to me.
>
> Michael Duke wrote:
>
> > I am just guessing here, but asa ATA-66 is so new I would not think it
is
> > supported yet..
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Qifa Han wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >My Gateway PII 400 have a Promise add-on card. RH5.2 does not
recognized
> > >my hard drive (13.5GB, first partion Win98 2GB, the second for Linux
> > >3GB). After I run boot disk, it always check partiition on my Zip100
> > >drive. I use cat /proc/pci, it did not give much information since the
> > >screen scroll up. I can not stop it. What I see looks like:
> > > IDE interface: Intel 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 1)
> > > I/O at 0x10a0
> > >Then I use alt-F4 in RH5.2 got the message as follow,
> > >
> > > ide i82371 PIIX (Triton) on PCI bus 0 function 57
> > > ide1: BM-DMA at 0x10a8-0x10af
> > > hdc: ATAPI CDROM drive
> > > hdd: ZIP 100 ATAPI Floppy drive
> > > ide1 at 0x170-0x177, 0x376 on irq 15
> > > Partition check:
> > > hdd 98304 KB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size
> > > hdd: hdd4
> > >
> > >I am awared that some parameters may need to be passed to kernel at
boot
> > >time to overwrite some device. But I don't know exactly which
parameters
> > >shout be used. Or it is a problem with the FAT32 partition on Win98?
If
> > >I made the Zip drive unavailable at BIOS, the kernel said there is no
> > >devise to generate file system. The hard drive was still ignored. I am
> > >fairly new to this. Please be patient with my question.
> > >
> > >Qifa
>
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From: Erich Pawlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ultra66 on Linux...
Date: 10 Apr 1999 23:32:10 GMT
Yes. It can be made to work the same way that Ultra ATA/33 (see Ultra DMA
how to). However, I couldn't figure out how to boot Linux from such a
drive without the help of MS DOS.
Regards
Erich
MarkO wrote:
>
> Does Linux support Ultra ATA/66 that hard drives are coming out with?
>
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.misc,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:55:47 +0200
From: "Dan M. Johnson (bagzman)(LinuxBox1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Eh well, I love backwards compatibility, but if it happens to speed things up, go
for it I say. The thing is that as long it dosn't act like a Micro$oft POS, sure
:) The thing about it really is, is speed. If it does happen to increase speed,
sure! If not (which I hear from some people), then I prefer the older i386 method.
-Dan- http://sypol.dynip.com
Tomasz Korycki wrote:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox) writes:
> >
> > > "Idea Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Does anyone else think this would be a good idea? Keep the i386 tree, and
> > > > add an i686 tree that is optimized for P-II/Celeron/P-III processors.
> > > >
> > > > This might be a pain in the butt for the mirrors (more hard drive space
> > > > used), but for some mirrors this would be just fine. This would also make
> > > > Linux higher performing for all the people with flashy new Pentium-III
> > > > machines...
> > >
> > > How much performance improvement would there be?
> >
> > based on my experience with egcs over the past year, not much.
> >
> > the pentium classic seems to be hypersensitive to scheduling, but the
> > i686 (i have a pentiumpro) seems have roughly the same performance
> > (using time on a few of my programs) for compiles with -march=i386,
> > i486 or pentiumpro. -march=pentium hurt speed by about 10%.
> >
> Actually, if You have FP-heavy code (graphics, raytracing, FEA, CFD,
> Stats, simulation), P6-optimised code can gain You as much as 15-20%,
> compared to i386.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Kilian)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.aopen
Subject: Re: Ax59pro and Linux..How well does your system work?
Date: 10 Apr 1999 22:07:20 GMT
> > I use the following:
> >
> > modprobe i2c-via
> > modprobe 12c-proc
> > modprobe gl518sm
> Ah, thanks! That would explain it. Now it works.
Strange enough, it doesn't work on my mainboard. May be my vendor gave me an
old motherboard? Here is some output from /proc/pci:
Bus 0, device 0, function 0:
Host bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C598 Apollo MVP3 (rev 4).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. Latency=16.
Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe0000000 [0xe0000008].
Bus 0, device 1, function 0:
PCI bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C598 Apollo MVP3 AGP (rev 0).
Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=12.
Bus 0, device 7, function 0:
ISA bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C586 Apollo ISA (rev 65).
Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts.
Bus 0, device 7, function 1:
IDE interface: VIA Technologies VT 82C586 Apollo IDE (rev 6).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0x6400 [0x6401].
Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
SCSI storage controller: AMD 53C974 (rev 16).
Medium devsel. IRQ 15. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=4.Max Lat=40.
I/O at 0x6c00 [0x6c01].
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From: Dwayne McGarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Promise IDE Cards
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:57:57 GMT
Thanks for the info. Is anyone using the Promise FastTrack Card?
check out http://www.promise.com/Products/ideraid/fasttrak.htm
It is a hardware RAID using EIDE drives, not SCSI!
Tim Moore wrote:
>
> The Promise Ultra/33 card provides two more ide channels sharing a single IRQ. RH5.1
> or later autoprobe it correctly. It's a UDMA controller not hardware raid.
>
> Below is a clip from dmesg. The two DHEA drives are the first stripe set, the DTTA
> drives are a second stripe set. For software RAID0, two drives on the same ide
> channel yield 1/2 single drive performance, on different ide channels the performance
> is doubled.
>
> ...
> ide: i82371 PIIX (Triton) on PCI bus 0 function 33
> ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807
> ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd808-0xd80f
> ide: Promise Technology IDE Ultra-DMA 33 on PCI bus 0 function 88
> ide: Enabling DMA for Promise Technology IDE Ultra-DMA 33 on PCI bus 0 function 88,
> port 0xa400
> ide2: BM-DMA at 0xa400-0xa407
> ide3: BM-DMA at 0xa408-0xa40f
> hda: Maxtor 88400D8, 8011MB w/256kB Cache, CHS=1021/255/63, UDMA
> hdb: ASUS CD-S340, ATAPI CDROM drive
> hdc: YAMAHA CRW4416E, ATAPI CDROM drive
> hde: IBM-DHEA-36481, 6197MB w/472kB Cache, CHS=12592/16/63, UDMA <ide2 master>
> hdf: IBM-DTTA-371440, 13783MB w/462kB Cache, CHS=28005/16/63, UDMA <ide2 slave>
> hdg: IBM-DHEA-36481, 6197MB w/472kB Cache, CHS=12592/16/63, UDMA <ide3 master>
> hdh: IBM-DTTA-371440, 13783MB w/462kB Cache, CHS=28005/16/63, UDMA <ide3 slave>
> ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
> ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
> ide2 at 0xb800-0xb807,0xb406 on irq 10
> ide3 at 0xb000-0xb007,0xa806 on irq 10 (shared with ide2)
> ...
>
> # cat /etc/raidtab
> raiddev /dev/md0 # DHEAs
> raid-level 0 # it's not obvious but this *must be
> # right after raiddev
> nr-raid-disks 2
> nr-spare-disks 0
> chunk-size 16
>
> device /dev/hde7
> raid-disk 0
>
> device /dev/hdg7
> raid-disk 1
>
> raiddev /dev/md1 # DTTAs
> raid-level 0 # it's not obvious but this *must be
> # right after raiddev
> nr-raid-disks 2
> nr-spare-disks 0
> chunk-size 32
>
> device /dev/hdf2
> raid-disk 0
>
> device /dev/hdh2
> raid-disk 1
>
> --
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>
> "Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
> WS Burroughs.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:54:47 -0700
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How fast is your HD?
Readings with -t alone are not as accurate as -tT (man hdparm)...
under Linux, without any filesystem overhead. To
ensure accurate measurments, the buffer cache is
flushed during the processing of -t using the BLK-
FLSBUF ioctl. If the -T flag is also specified,
then a correction factor based on the outcome of -T
will be incorporated into the result reported for
the -t operation.
Note that -tT must be used without other hdparm options.
Throughput can drop by 20-40% between outside and inside tracks. Measurement of a
partition close to the center of the drive would be a better indicator of average
performance. Also with modern LBA addressing physical geometry is pretty
meaningless.
# hdparm -iv /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
multcount = 0 (off)
I/O support = 0 (default 16-bit)
unmaskirq = 0 (off)
using_dma = 1 (on)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
nowerr = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 8 (on)
geometry = 1021/255/63, sectors = 16408224, start = 0
Model=Maxtor 88400D8, FwRev=NAVX171F, SerialNo=L80EEP7A
Config={ Fixed }
RawCHS=16278/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=20
BuffType=3(DualPortCache), BuffSize=256kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
DblWordIO=no, maxPIO=2(fast), DMA=yes, maxDMA=2(fast)
CurCHS=16278/16/63, CurSects=16408224, LBA=yes, LBAsects=16408224
tDMA={min:120,rec:120}, DMA modes: mword0 mword1 mword2
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, PIO modes: mode3 mode4
# fdisk -l /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1021 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 62 497983+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda2 63 1021 7703167+ 5 Extended
/dev/hda5 63 68 48163+ 83 Linux native
/dev/hda6 69 170 819283+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda7 171 178 64228+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda8 179 433 2048256 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda9 434 688 2048256 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda10 689 693 40131 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda11 694 834 1132551 83 Linux native
/dev/hda12 835 873 313236 83 Linux native
/dev/hda13 874 924 409626 83 Linux native
/dev/hda14 925 1021 779121 83 Linux native
# hdparm -tT /dev/hda{1,9,14}
/dev/hda1:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 64 MB in 0.51 seconds =125.49 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 2.86 seconds =11.19 MB/sec
/dev/hda9:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 64 MB in 0.52 seconds =123.08 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 3.04 seconds =10.53 MB/sec
/dev/hda14:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 64 MB in 0.50 seconds =128.00 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 3.80 seconds = 8.42 MB/sec
Regards,
tim.
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