Linux-Hardware Digest #7, Volume #10 Mon, 12 Apr 99 18:13:26 EDT
Contents:
Re: [Fwd: Source Code To Windows 98 (programmer humor) (fwd)] (James Goldman)
UDMA hard drives ("Dave Mimms")
On-board CMI8330 Sound Chip (D. D. Brierton)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Craig Kelley)
Re: Large IDE drives (Mark Nielsen)
Trouble with SB128PCI kernel 2.2.5/2.0.36. Request help. (a)
Re: Modem : which is the best? (David Ripton)
Herculese Video Card ("Callum")
Re: Laser printer, which one will in Linux (David Fox)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Leslie
Mikesell)
Cant adjust SoundCard(jazz16) Volume?!?! ("Alan W. Jurgensen")
Re: Video card help... please... (Mike Jackson)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Jason V.
Robertson~)
Problem with HD and partition format ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need Sound Card Suggestions (David Fox)
Re: What is AGP - in vidio card terms? (Les Hazelton)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Leslie
Mikesell)
Re: Can I use all of my hadware under LINUX? ("Ths")
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Jason V.
Robertson~)
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From: James Goldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.c,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.linux,comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Source Code To Windows 98 (programmer humor) (fwd)]
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:52:12 -0600
Martijn Lievaart wrote:
>
> As this was also about MSDos originally, let me point out that there
> are better shells than command.com, that do allow this syntax [1].
Funny, but the idea of finding a replacement for command.com itself
never occurred to me <sound of me slapping my forehead>.
On the other hand, the place I've been working has developed a lot of
small programs to make the command line a little more useful, such as an
automatically scrolling, colour highlighted version of ls and an
intelligent version of cwd - I miss that one even when I'm using Linux.
I should write one, really.
James
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From: "Dave Mimms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: UDMA hard drives
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:07:33 +0200
Dear Linux lovers:
Are UDMA/33 drives fully compatible with the Linux operating system?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. D. Brierton)
Subject: On-board CMI8330 Sound Chip
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:03:49 GMT
I'd be grateful for any pointers on how to get Linux (Red Hat 5.2) to
work with the CMI8330 sound chip on my motherboard (PC Chips M747).
Thanks in advance ...
Darren
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Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12 Apr 1999 10:49:07 -0600
westprog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In fact, the shell does very little for applications. It doesn't, for example
> provide what VMS does - a library to parse command switches. Unix
> applications have to do this themselves.
Bullshit.
man getopt
I use it all the time.
> If an application drops into interactive mode, it is left to itself
> to process keystrokes - ^E will not move you to the end of the line,
> and backspace won't delete the previous character, for example.
One could argue that this is a good thing: What if ^E is an important
token to the program?
Still, all GUI apps have these kind of bindings, and they are interactive
by definition. Most interactive shell programs are using ncurses, or an
equivalent library which DO provide these bindings (and will switch from
vi-like to emacs-like depending on what the user likes).
> > : I'll wait and see. The new Apple OS seems to be finally here in the real
> > : world. If it has managed to dismember Unix sufficiently it might be
> > : interesting.
> >
> > Actually if it manages to *keep* enough of Unix it might be
> > interesting.
>
> It isn't concievable that a non-Unix OS could be even interesting?
>From Apple? Since Woz left?
No.
(but I'd love to be proven wrong)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Nielsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.llinux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Large IDE drives
Date: 12 Apr 1999 15:00:25 -0400
You might also want to check to see if you have LBA set in the bios of the
computer.
Mark
--
Mark Nielsen "Where 98 has no meaning."
www.tcu-inc.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Computer Underground, Inc. 614-485-0506
computers, programming, networking, Perl, PHP, SQL, HTMl, Linux, Unix
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From: a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Trouble with SB128PCI kernel 2.2.5/2.0.36. Request help.
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:25:46 -0500
Hi everyone.
I'm having trouble with my SB128PCI sound card in the 2.2.5 kernel (and
2.0.36 kernel).
I have successfully compiled the 2.2.5 kernel with the Eqsonic ES1370
Audio PCI support.(not a module)
(sndconfig recognizes my card as Eqsonic for some reason)
I can hear the gnome and enlightenment sounds. But, I can't play audio
from my cd
I start gtcd, which works ok upto the point where it gets the cd info
from CDDB.
The CDROM even flashes, assuring me that gtcd is reading from the drive.
But I don't get the actual sound on my speakers. I've checked the
hardware connections both internally (wire from cd player to sound card)
and externally (speaker plug, etc.). I've made sure none of the
inputs/outputs in the CD mixer are muted.
I've also tried cat /dev/sndstat. I get the error:
cat: /dev/sndstat: Operation not supported by device
I didn't used to get this error before the recompile. The one time it
did work, it told me that everything was installed fine (under the
Installed drivers header), but the MIDI and Audio headers had nothing
below them, suggesting to me that I have support for neither (concluded
this by cross checking the sndstat from a friend's linux setup on which
audio does work)
I also later recompiled the kernel with sound supported as a module, and
added all the information I could for 100% SB irq's etc (from my win98
setup) in the OSS subcategory. I also included the yamaha OPL stuff
(although here I didn't know what I was doing). I also setup the Eqsonic
Soundscape support (why not, since my card is compatible)
I've also tried sndconfig with all the -- options (--noprobe, etc.)
Still no audio sound, although in all cases, standard window manager
sounds worked fine.
I'm using an ASUS P2B motherboard with the "PnP OS installed?" option
set to "No"
So, I have a few questions:
1) Is this a gtcd problem, or a hardware configuration problem?
2) Do I even need to have PnP support? I have a Diamond Viper 550 (TNT)
AGP card, the SB128PCI(PnP compatible), and Intel's EtherExpress
PRO/100+ PCI ethernet card(I think this is also PnP).
All of these are in PCI slots, so does the OS even use PnP is this
case? How does this work?
3) Do I need anything above and beyond the support for the ES1370 (i.e.
low level AWE support, sounscape, OSS, Yamaha OPL, etc.)?
4) Do I need to support sound as a module or built-in?
5) I even tried playing mp3 files using some fancy mpeg player. That
bombed too. Should that tell me something?
6) Should the cat /dev/sndstat command work, or is it ok that it
doesn't? If it should, should it show supported drivers under the MIDI
and Audio headings?
7) I know that Dick Repasky ran into pretty much the same problem and
posted to this newsgroup on April 10. Does anyone know of a fix?
8) Are all the features of my card supported, or do I just wait for(or
write my own) support driver?
I really want to get things working so I can throw away my windows 98
entirely
:)
I will be ecstatic if even one of these questions is answered. If you
have read this far, you have no idea how much I appreciate it.
Thanks a lot!
A.D.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Ripton)
Subject: Re: Modem : which is the best?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:23:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:47:41 -0700, Peter MacKay wrote:
>>In the past several months I have heard so many complaints about various
>>modems. None of these complaints are directed at external modems (at least
>>as far as I can remember).
>>
>>Here's my advise. BUY AN EXTERNAL ONE
>>I use an external US Robotics 33.4 (A little old ) and I have never had a
>>problem
>
>I have never had a problem with my _internal_ modem.
>I wonder: what's the reason to spend extra $20 or something?
1. Status lights
2. Power switch
3. Hardware portability
4. Easier installation
5. Much smaller chance of getting a Winmodem by mistake
--
David Ripton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.
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From: "Callum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Herculese Video Card
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:29:25 +0100
I am having great difficulty in getting my Herculese Terminator 128 (8 Meg
card) to work with X on a CTX 1451 monitor. X Loads but the screen is
totally corrupt. If anyone knows what the correct settings should be for
this card I would love to hear from you.
Regards
Callum
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,linux.debian.user
Subject: Re: Laser printer, which one will in Linux
Date: 12 Apr 1999 13:25:27 -0700
"Jeremy L. Buchmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In comp.os.linux.misc henk van der knaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Dear Readers,
> : I intend to buy a laser printer. The following brands are available here:
> : Hewlett Packard, Canon, Oki, Brother (These are the main names)
> : Can anybody, please, advise me which one works particularly well under
> : Linux?
>
> If you have the money, get one that understands Postscript. That saves A
> LOT of trouble! NEC and Lexmark (not on your list, unfortunetly) offer
> small laser printers for about $300-$350US that have optional Postscript
> modules that cost an additional ~$100. Otherwise, most laser printers
> that understand Postscript cost at least $1200.
Beware, many of those Postscript modules are for DOS/Windows only.
Lexmark is particularly notorious for making Windows-only printers.
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 12 Apr 1999 16:06:31 -0500
In article <7etq2l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jason V. Robertson~ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>This is the reason for case-sensitive operating systems, file systems and
>>>programming languages. Nobody really wants a system that can't recognise
>>>"MyFileName" as the same as "MyFilename", but it saved a few cycles back in
>>>the valve age.
>>
>>you speak only for yourself here. i most certainly do want case
>>sensitivity in my filesystems and programs. why use more than one
>>case if they don't mean something different?
>
>Case preservation = good. Case sensitivity - in the filesystem - = bad.
Well, we disagree.
>It's easy to make arguments for the former, hard to make them against the
>later. 99% of the time, if you type 'MyFilename' you mean (if it already
>exists) 'MyFileName'.
I prefer not to leave things to 99% guesswork. I'd rather say what I
mean and be expected to mean what I say.
>You prevent more errors by coding to that 99%. It's
>pretty hard to think of legitimate cases for case sensitivity in the filesystem
>other than "Unix does it, so I need it."
Well, yes - a 20 year history of existing practice and existing files
that require consistent handling is a good enough reason for me. I
don't quite understand the 'invent a new API and storage format yearly'
mentality that forces you to replace everything at once.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Alan W. Jurgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Cant adjust SoundCard(jazz16) Volume?!?!
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:11:31 +0000
hiya,
I cannot adjust Soundcard volume using aumix or anything else for that
matter...
Running linux 2.0.5 .... Soundcard is Mediavision ??? with jazz16 chipset...
have Soundblaster 16 compiled in... I see Soundblaster Mixer in
cat /dev/sndstat
Sound works fine except for this annoyance...! Seems like I remember it
working at one time... probably in 2.0.x times.... although it doesn't work in
my 2.0.36
kernel...
help!
Also, is ensoniq audioPCI card the one we have to BUY a linux driver?!?!?!
if so, that sucks; what happened to Open-Source?!?!?!
al-man
--
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
Alan W. Jurgensen - Full Compass Systems
phone: (608) 831-7330 - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
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From: Mike Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Video card help... please...
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:06:07 GMT
You can just download the server for the g200, it's the SVGA server.
Groman wrote:
> I just installed RedHat Linux 5.2.
> And I have trouble configuring my XServer...
> I have Matrox Millenium G200 card, which is only supported in XFree86 3.3.3,
> and I have 3.3.2
> Is there any way to upgrade the video card list, without downloading the
> whole 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 patch(which is huge, and there are no instructions on
> what to download).
> I tried selecting Generic VGA or Unsupported VGA, but it doesn't work.
>
> Thanks in advance...
> Groman.
> P.S. Please e-mail your answers to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--mikej
-=-----
mike jackson
is coordinator @ qualimetrics, inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason V. Robertson~)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 12 Apr 1999 21:54:29 GMT
In article <7et90f$608$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7et6cf$tlg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>westprog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Incredibly enough, programmers (particularly C hackers) really do program
>>> with this mentality. Hence, Knuth: Premature eja^H^H^H optimisation is the
>>> root of all programming evil.
>>
>>This is the reason for case-sensitive operating systems, file systems and
>>programming languages. Nobody really wants a system that can't recognise
>>"MyFileName" as the same as "MyFilename", but it saved a few cycles back in
>>the valve age.
>
>you speak only for yourself here. i most certainly do want case
>sensitivity in my filesystems and programs. why use more than one
>case if they don't mean something different?
Case preservation = good. Case sensitivity - in the filesystem - = bad.
It's easy to make arguments for the former, hard to make them against the
later. 99% of the time, if you type 'MyFilename' you mean (if it already
exists) 'MyFileName'. You prevent more errors by coding to that 99%. It's
pretty hard to think of legitimate cases for case sensitivity in the filesystem
other than "Unix does it, so I need it."
--
|Jason V. Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
|Not speaking for Intel. |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Problem with HD and partition format
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:43:06 GMT
I tried to install SUSE Linux 6.0 on my system, but I had a serious problem.
The problem is that I cannot format the Linux native partition without
errors. But first I must describe my system. I have a Quantum Fireball SE2.1A
disk with one big partition and fat32. I shrink the partition so I can make
two smaller partitions for Linux, a swap and a native one. And now the setup.
I run the setup from the CD, and then the program YAST starts. As the kernel
reports it recognizes the HD as Quantum Fireball SE2.1A 2014 MB w/80KB cache,
CHS=1023,64,63 (and this is correct). But if I look in menu HDs-CDs (of YAST)
it says Quantum Fireball SE2.1A Firmware API.0C00, geometry: 4092/16/63. And
here is the problem. If I try to format the Linux partition I get many
errors. Both geometry parameters are reported by the bios by the HD auto
detection but I use the first one with the 1023 cylinders and LBA mode. I
used the parameter hda=1023,64,63 at kernel but I had the same problem. I
tried then the kernel parameters hda=1023,64,63 hda=noprobe, but the kernel
reports �invalid geometry 64 heads?� and no hd is recognized.
Do I make anything wrong? Is there any solution?
Please send any answers to my email.
Thank you.
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Re: Need Sound Card Suggestions
Date: 12 Apr 1999 13:18:49 -0700
Every time I ask about sound quality I hear how easy they are to set
up! In my experience the AWE-64 has just OK sound quality, though its
a big step above the real cheap ones.
"Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
> Mine is SoundBlaster AWE 64. It works great
> with Linux_Mandrake. No pain in setting up.
>
> Bud
>
> David Fox wrote:
>
> > How is the sound quality? I think I tried one of those and it sounded
> > like an AM radio.
> >
> > "Derek Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I use the creative ensoniq AudioPCI es1371 and it only cost around 30 bucks
> > > with rebate and had absolutley no prob setting it up.
> > > Steve Orosz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >Hi,
> > > > I am going to buy a new sound card for my computer and I would like
> > > >to get one that supports Linux and Windows. So far the only card that
> > > >I've liked so far is the SoundBlaster 128PCI. However I'm not sure if
> > > >it is supported in Linux. If anyone can help me in choosing a good
> > > >soundcard for my computer. So if anyone has any suggestions for a PCI
> > > >soundcard PLEASE let me know. I would prefer a PCI sound card but if
> > > >there are some good ISA soundcards also tell me about them.
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:39:28 -0400
From: Les Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is AGP - in vidio card terms?
Michael Meissner wrote:
> I run the above Diamond Viper 550 PCI card at 1600x1200 with 32-bit color
The line above is enough to get my attention :-)
Also, I have had such good luck with my Diamond Fireport 40
SCSI card that I could easily see another Diamond product in my system.
--
Les Hazelton
============================================
I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few
months. I just love debugging ;-)
(Linus Torvalds)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 12 Apr 1999 16:19:59 -0500
In article <7etq67$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jason V. Robertson~ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Matthew Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Well, what you are seeing is a collection of several different UI
>>toolkits. This is actually a good thing; you can choose which toolkit
>>you like, and allow multiple toolkits to persist on the system. It
>>does cause a loss of efficiency, I admit, but I think the benefits are
>>usually worth it.
>>
>>Basically, UNIX gives you the option to use whatever toolkit you like.
>>Choice is good.
>
>So, of course, does Windows.
Perhaps if the original unix owners had gone to the lengths to eliminate
competition that MicroSoft did, unix users would have an equal lack
of choice. But maybe not. Maybe it is just an effect of the longer
timespan for life of the unix products. Maybe in 15 or 20 years there
will be some different-looking Windows products around too.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ths" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I use all of my hadware under LINUX?
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:45:16 +0200
Will there be any support for DVD under LINUX in the future, or does that
depend on, in my case, Creative?
what about ISA Modem any support in the future?
Ths
Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7erfop$b5i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:30:21 +0200, "Ths" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>Sorry if this question has been asked before, but I hope you'll take the
>>time to answer it anyway.
>>
>>I'm a win98 user but want to change to linux, but before I do that I'll
want
>>to know which of the following hardware LINUX does not support?
>>
>>56k modem internt (don't know the brand)
>If it is a PCI modem, then, no
>>Soundblaster LIVE! value
>no
>>Creative RIVA TNT AGP
>yes, with Xfree86 versoin 3.3.3.1 or higher
>>Creative PC-DVD 2x
>no DVD, treats as CDROM
>>Creative DXR2 decoder card
>If this is for DVD, then see above...
>>Mitsumi CR-2801 TE CDr writer
>yes, but you may need to do some configuration, and lots of reading...
>>SCSI Scanner interface (don't know the brand)
>probably
>>Logitech cordless desktop (keyboard and mouse)
>yes, if they're not USB devices
>>
>>It is all located on a ABIT BH6 motherboard with at Celeron 300a processor
>No problem here
>>
>>I hope this is the right place to post this question
>yes it is
>>
>>Thanks alot for your time
>You're quite welcome
>>
>>
>>Ths
>>
>
>Allen
>
>
>(email addy; user ID portion has a numeral one in place of word
>onespoiler, and of course, delete the bogus secondary domain of nospam.)
>PC/hardware Guru, and Linux Newbie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason V. Robertson~)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 12 Apr 1999 21:56:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthew Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, what you are seeing is a collection of several different UI
>toolkits. This is actually a good thing; you can choose which toolkit
>you like, and allow multiple toolkits to persist on the system. It
>does cause a loss of efficiency, I admit, but I think the benefits are
>usually worth it.
>
>Basically, UNIX gives you the option to use whatever toolkit you like.
>Choice is good.
So, of course, does Windows.
--
|Jason V. Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
|Not speaking for Intel. |
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