Linux-Hardware Digest #67, Volume #10 Tue, 20 Apr 99 02:13:39 EDT
Contents:
SCSI ("Nick Hone")
U.S. Robotics 56K FAX (!) modem (Wolfgang Adrion)
USR 56k EXT modem troubles (j)
Re: floppy disk (Yannick Carlinet)
SMP + APM ? (Tomas Barros)
Re: Building a Better Distribution. (WAS: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows
2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls flat)) (jedi)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Chris
Costello)
Re: Programmers are gods (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Johan
Kullstam)
Re: USR 56k EXT modem troubles (Bradley M Keryan)
Re: Mouse problem in RedHat Linux 5.2! (I am sending this to multiple NGs) ("Tim
McDonough")
DPT SmartRAID V ("Cor van 't Hoff")
Re: Programmers are gods (Mike Bartman)
Re: Programmers are gods (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: OnStream SC30 and Linux (Left Hand of Xenu)
Re: PCI modem /with/ a controller?
Re: Travan TR4 / Seagate Hornet Tape Dirve ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (westprog)
Does Redhat Linux support CL 5446 with 4MB of RAM? ("Patrick Lam")
Re: How to congigue Ensoniq AudioPCI Card? Please! (Jeremiah)
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From: "Nick Hone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SCSI
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:03:40 -0700
I noticed the Adaptec 152x is on the RedHat Tier 2 list of supported
adapters, so does anyone know how to get my AVA-1505 to work with Linux?
I'm sure that the AVA-1505 is compatible with the 152x series because the
the description of the FAQ document on the 1505 driver page reads "Common
questions and answers on the AHA-15x5/AHA-152x SCSI controller".
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From: Wolfgang Adrion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: U.S. Robotics 56K FAX (!) modem
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:29:54 +0200
Hello!
Who was able to configure his 56 K modem of U.S.Robotics with
"addfaxmodem"? Since it�s a socalled Faxmodem, I�d like to try this ...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (j)
Subject: USR 56k EXT modem troubles
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:17:29 GMT
Running Slackware 3.6, kernel 2.2.6.
Old setup was internal usr 33.6 modem on com2 (ttyS1) and a serial
mouse on com1 (ttyS0)
Borrowed my friend's USR 56k EXT modem, put a ps/2 connector on my
mouse, and put the modem on com1 and the mouse in a ps/2 port. Having
no problems with the mouse, but I can't get the modem to work.
I changed all my ppp scripts to use com1, linked /dev/ttyS0 to
/dev/modem. Haven't had a lot of time to mess around with it, but
I've heard that external modems don't really need any tweaking to get
to work with linux.
What happens is I run the ppp scripts, all of the lights on the modem
flash, and it stops. A tail /var/adm/messages tells me that the modem
isn't even initializing correctly... put in a few simple init commands
like AT, AT&F1, ATM0, etc... not even initializing using those...
Anyone else had this problem or know how to fix it? Haven't had any
hardware troubles with linux before... so this is naturally driving me
batty. ;)
oh.. and btw... the modem works fine in win95 (it shows it as USR 56k
EXT PnP) on the devices list
thx for any help...
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From: Yannick Carlinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: floppy disk
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:43:18 +0200
D0uG wrote:
>
> How you can get files from a floppy. (I think I had mount it, but I'm not
> sure). And if you mount you floppy drive, how can you copying files to you
> harddisk from it?
If you have mtools installed, you can use floppies with msdos filesystem
; try :
mdir
mcopy your_file a:/
If you have mounted your floppy, type
cp your_file /path/mount_point/
to copy file.
I hope that'll help.
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From: Tomas Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SMP + APM ?
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:22:36 +0000
hi:
Why is unsecure to use SMP and APM?
If I want just to shutdown my machine by soft, how may I do it?
pd: if you have both (SMP + APM) supported in your kernel, at boot time
it deactive the APM because is unsecure.
--
Tomas Barros
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Building a Better Distribution. (WAS: X munges the graphics card? (Re:
Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls flat))
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:26:23 -0700
On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:56:54 -0500, Todd Ostermeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 11 Apr 1999, Bloody Viking wrote:
>
>: In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:
>: : I'd probably use linux myself if it weren't for a few things that
>: : still make it impossible to switch. Maybe once corel gets their distro
>: : out I'll think about it. Here's a perfect example of why I can't/won't
>: : use linux:
>:
>: : Problem: I want to change my resolution.
>:
>: : Win9x/NT:
>: : Right click on desktop - properties - settlings - done
>:
>: : Linux:
>: : Edit config files and god know's what else
>
>Actually, assuming everything is set up properly, just use
>ctrl-alt-keypadplus or ctrl-alt-keypadminus to switch resolutions. IF
>it's not set up properly, you will have to edit /etc/XF86Config (or
>/etc/X11/XF86Config, depending on which you have).
The only real reason for dinking the config file is ordering.
The rest can be set by just running the configurators that
you happen to have on hand.
Either a tweak to these configurators or some little applet
that switches to an arbitrary res on startup (with a nice
front end of course) would solve the issue.
Alterate #2 would also leave the nice frontend for the odd resswitch.
>
>:
>: : Why does everything have to be so inconvenient? I don't even care if
>: : you can get a program to let you do this, it HAS to come built in,
>: : ready to go, I don't want someone telling me I can download
It's not 'built in' on Windows either. One is just led by the
nose to the configurator.
>: : whateverdalskjflsa;djfla;sjdfl;.rpm or download the source and compile
>: : it. I just want it as simple as win9x/nt, end of story.
>:
>: It's not a problem of Linux itself. Rather, the problem is in the
>: distributions. On a pre-configured computer, it would have a "Packard
>: Bell" distribution for that computer. It sounds like you are not satisfied
>: with the current state of distributions. You have 3 options:
>:
>: 1: Put up with it as it stands.
>:
>: 2: Come up with a "better mousetrap" distribution.
>:
>: 3: Wait until that perfect distribution comes out.
>:
>: It sounds like you selected Option 3. That's fine. Of the 3, it's the most
>: logical choice unless the cost of software for Windows is too much for you
>: to afford. That factor caused me to take Option 1. I have toyed with the
>: idea of making a "better mousetrap" distribution designed to be easy to
>: set up like an OEM CD. THAT is the standard to shoot for with distribution
>: designing. All you should need is one boot floppy and the CD and one
>: blank floppy.
>:
>: Here's how the "perfect" install would go:
>
>Perfect for an OEM, perhaps. Perfect for a normal user? Not even close
>(and remember, your average Joe who builds his own machine can get an OEM
ANY install or recovery scheme is going to be sub-optimal
for the novice enduser.
>copy of Windows for it, rather than buying off-the-shelf). Manufacturers
>who use the Recovery Disk style of system setup are considered bad, in my
>book (what happens if an app that came pre-installed needs to be
>reinstalled, but you only have it in the tarball on the Recovery Disk?).
[deletia]
--
"I was not elected to watch my people suffer and die |||
while you discuss this invasion in committe." / | \
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:01:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam wrote:
> mike@ writes:
>
> > In article <7f4a6d$sjl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Osvaldo says...
> > >
> >
> > >I think you make code more readable and maintenable when you write
> > >ThisIsAnIdentifier instead of thisisanidentifier,
> >
> > sorry, I think it is more readable when you write
> >
> > This_Is_An_Identifier
> >
> > than
> >
> > ThisIsAnIdentifier.
>
> i prefer
>
> this-is-a-symbol
>
> to either of those, but then i am probably irrevocably damaged by
> exposure to lisp.
You are. Usually, the character '-' is used for subtraction,
not in symbol names.
> --
> johan kullstam
--
Chris Costello
The value of a program is proportional to the weight of its output.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Programmers are gods
Date: 19 Apr 1999 13:07:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just as an aside, these are some things you DON'T want to see in some
> code .... ;-) (And I have personally encountered some ...)
[...]
> Anyway, I am sure that there are more.
My favourites are:
#ifdef FIX_[name omitted to protect the innocent]_BROKENNESS
/* Scary! And undocumented too... */
Donal.
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be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 19 Apr 1999 09:00:07 -0400
mike@ writes:
> In article <7f4a6d$sjl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Osvaldo says...
> >
>
> >I think you make code more readable and maintenable when you write
> >ThisIsAnIdentifier instead of thisisanidentifier,
>
> sorry, I think it is more readable when you write
>
> This_Is_An_Identifier
>
> than
>
> ThisIsAnIdentifier.
i prefer
this-is-a-symbol
to either of those, but then i am probably irrevocably damaged by
exposure to lisp.
--
johan kullstam
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From: Bradley M Keryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USR 56k EXT modem troubles
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:54:41 -0400
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, j wrote:
[snip]
> What happens is I run the ppp scripts, all of the lights on the modem
> flash, and it stops. A tail /var/adm/messages tells me that the modem
> isn't even initializing correctly... put in a few simple init commands
> like AT, AT&F1, ATM0, etc... not even initializing using those...
>
> Anyone else had this problem or know how to fix it? Haven't had any
> hardware troubles with linux before... so this is naturally driving me
> batty. ;)
[snip]
Make sure that if you're running gpm it's using the PS/2 port not the
modem's serial port. I think I made that mistake once.
Brad
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From: "Tim McDonough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Mouse problem in RedHat Linux 5.2! (I am sending this to multiple NGs)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:54:53 -0500
If it's the M$ IntelliMouse, you might try this:
http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/
Good luck.
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From: "Cor van 't Hoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DPT SmartRAID V
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:15:25 +0200
Hello,
Has anybody got some experience with a DPT SmartRAID V controller (RedHat
linux 5.2).
Will it give a notice if a drive breaks down?
I would like to hear anything about it.
Thanks
Cor van 't Hoff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Bartman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Programmers are gods
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:05:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 19 Apr 1999 11:00:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
>In article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Mike Bartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Every programmer should first have to do a half year of helpdesk before
>>>being allowed to do any coding and the first three months after a
>>>program is released. This will give to programmer the idea what *users*
>>>need and that in the end the user is central.
>>
>>The following 6 months should be spent doing upgrades and mods to
>>existing code. A few months of trying to decipher the intentions of
>>some long-departed prior programmer who thought that single character
>>variable names were a good idea and that comments were for beginners,
>>and the new programmer *might* just be ready to create new code.
>>Maybe.
<snip>
>And by the way, comments really have nothing to do with making
>code understandable and when the code is broken there is no
>reason to trust the comments.
I disagree with the comments part of this (they aren't all there is to
it, but they are important), but you have a valid point in the second
part.
-- Mike "been maintaining a TN3270 emulator that was all
left-justified, with random and frequent blank lines, no comments and
mostly meaningless variable names...and *lots* of 'come-from'
statements..." Bartman --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Programmers are gods
Date: 19 Apr 1999 22:06:25 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > This is broken code, but it's hard to figure out the real
>> >purpose of it. Wouldn't comments help here?
>>
>> Only to the extent that if the code and the comments disagree
>> you can assume that they are probably both wrong. Otherwise
>> if it is the comment that is wrong you will be mislead. Given
>> a limited amount of time, I'd rather see the effort going into
>> making the code understandable. I do find it helpful to put
>> the data into structs and comment the struct declarations though.
>
>All data is valid in the solution of a problem -- if nothing more than
>to tell you the original author was a idiot and not to trust anything
>that they did. No comments means half the information is missing.
>Even if the code does something correctly, how do you know what
>the author intended it to do if they didn't bother to write it down?
But you are wishing for *good* comments from someone who couldn't
write good code. I'm saying that you are likely to get bad
comments instead, and since he had less time to do it, even
worse code. What makes you think otherwise? What do you do
if the comments are misleading and incorrect?
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Left Hand of Xenu)
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: OnStream SC30 and Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 19 Apr 1999 15:43:03 -0700
On or about Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:04:08 -0300, Dale Gass Intoned thusly:
>After wating a month on back order for the SC50 tape drive, and finding
>out they're not even shipping, I changed my order to the SC30 drive, and
>good old InMac (Canada's MicroWarehouse) had it to me the next day.
>
>Here's a summary of my experiences:
>
>Tried it under Linux. No dice. It doesn't seem to like the standard
>SCSI tape commands (as noted elsewhere in the newsgroups) and even a
>REWIND command generates errors. OnStream says they're working with
>Linux developers to get drivers for it, which will be great. Does
>anybody know *who* they are working with? Seems like quite a secret,
>which is a bit worrisome.
>
>So, to try out the drive, I installed the Win98 drivers, and tried a
>backup. Well, part way through the backup, I get the Blue Screen of
>Death. D'oh! Tried a bunch of things, and what final seemed to fix it
>is excluding a couple of directories I had with over 10,000 files in
>them. Their drivers don't seem to like these huge directories.
>
>Anyhow, I saw about 30M/minute backup speeds. Not quite the 2M/sec
>native transfer rate the drive is supposed to be capable of, nor the
>80-90MB/minute that some people have reported on the net. This is on a
>PII-450 Dell with lotsa memory. I tried copmressed and uncompressed and
>
>it didn't make any difference.
>
>OnStream says that their performance numbers were seen with an AHA29xx
>card. I have an Adaptec 1542C, set to 10MB/sec transfer rate. It's
>hard to believe that this would be the bottleneck (especially since
>there's no performance difference between setting at 5M and 10M
>transfer rate). I've also tried disabling the virus checker, but it
>didn't help the speed at all. Any
>ideas? I'm half tempted to get a AHA29xx card, but I somehow doubt it
>would speed things up at all, and OnStream wasn't much help other than
>suggesting that.
>
[snip]
Isn't that 1542C an ISA card? If so it is possible that a newer
controller would help. Maybe Intel chipsets don't have this problem
but my mother board with a Via chipset doesn't do ISA very well. When
I used a Ditto Dash card for a Ditto tape drive I had to tweak the
BIOS just to get the ISA connection to keep up with the tape, Yuk! The
TekRam SCSI card and new tape drive I just bought are much
faster. BTW, TekRam card are *way* cheaper than Adaptec and mine works
fine.
Bye.
--
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They laughed at Isaac Newton | for my pgp | It's just people
But they also laughed at | key block | I can't tolerate
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: PCI modem /with/ a controller?
Date: 20 Apr 1999 04:58:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|> [EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
|>
|> > is there such a beast, and if so, who makes it? they all seem to be
|> > controllerless winmodem pieces of sh*t to me..
|>
|> one word: *external*
anotha' word: expensive!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Travan TR4 / Seagate Hornet Tape Dirve
Date: 20 Apr 1999 05:31:54 GMT
Kenneth H. emitted in electronic form :
> David Graham wrote:
>> You should be able to use make backups with something like:
>>
>> tar cvf /dev/ht0 {filenames}
>>
>> It was that simple for me, at least.
> Do you know if it's possible to store multiple files on the
> same tape? I want to use 'dump', and I expected that I could
> do something like this:
> dump 0uf /dev/nht0 /
> dump 0uf /dev/nht0 /usr
> And that appears to work, but then my attempts to use 'mt'
> to move the tape to the start of the 2nd backup fail.
> I tried:
> mt -f /dev/nht0 rewind
> mt -f /dev/nht0 fsf 1
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Ken Cox
I can't get mt-st to do anything but scream I/O errors about my fancy
new TravanNS // Travan TR5 drive...
maybe i'll just try tar and see if screams too.
--
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'Fewer Insect Parts By Weight than the Leading Brand'
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From: westprog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:42:19 GMT
In article <7fanim$l80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Didier H. Besset" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein wrote in message <7f4a6d$sjl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Well, Java supports Unicode there... I hope people will not be stuffing
> lots
> >of greek or chinese symbols in the code to make it more maintainable.
>
> Well, it depends. I certainly would welcome the possibility of writing a
> real greek letter when I need one. This sure helps when working on maths
> stuff.
>
> Going further, having a super/sub-script notation like in differential
> geometry (variant and covariant indices e.g.) would be MUCH more readable
> than myVector[i].
>
> One could even implement implied summation (same variant and covariant
> index) but that may be a little far fetched...
>
> As for Chinese characters, I might agree with you...
It is only for historical reasons that we assume that a computer program is
represented by a linear sequence of alphanumeric characters. Rather than just
add character sets, I would like to see totally different methods of
programming. The new Lego robot programming system uses (AFAIK) a totally
graphical approach. Of course, it is aimed at a market without preconceptions.
J.
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From: "Patrick Lam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Does Redhat Linux support CL 5446 with 4MB of RAM?
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:51:14 -0700
Sorry that I have posted this question in a few other NGs and hope that I
will get a quicker answer. If you have already read this somewhere else,
please ignore.
Hi all:
startx runs to a point that shows me nothing but a blank screen. What might
be the problem?
I tried Xconfigurator a few times and tried even with stardard VGA mode, but
still getting the same blank screen.
I read somewhere from the web that CL 5446 is only supported up to 2MB of
RAM. I doubt it if 4MB will cause the problem, but that's what I have on my
machine.
Any suggestions?
Patrick.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: How to congigue Ensoniq AudioPCI Card? Please!
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:31:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darian) spake thusly:
>>>I installed RedHat Linux 5.1 on my HP Pavilion 8290
>>computer. However, sound card, modem, and Iomega SCSI 100MZIP drive
>>don't work. I'd like to solve the sound card problem first.
>
> First of
> all, you would have to get the updated linux sound system patches for
> the kernel you are running. It has no support whatsoever for the
> Ensoniq PCI card. The easiest thing to do would be to update your
> kernel to one of the 2.2 kernels to get sound working.
Actually, the easiest thing to do would be to update your
system to RH5.2... there are a lot more upgrades necessary to go
to 2.2.x. RH5.2 does have support for the Ensoniq PCI card...
however poorly the drivers might perform. As a somewhat better
alternative, you can try to install the ALSA drivers from
http://alsa.jcu.cz. They might (?) work under RH5.1...
Brian
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