Linux-Hardware Digest #532, Volume #10 Sat, 19 Jun 99 14:13:24 EDT
Contents:
Re: Lucent win modem ("Juztice")
Re: Sierra or ATI (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
Re: TNT2 or 3dfx Voodoo3?... (Chris Harshman)
Re: LVD Question (CwF)
Re: Diamond Viper TNT AGP + XWindows (Timothy Murphy)
linux on 386 (Stefano Ghirlanda)
Re: linux on 386 (William Burrow)
RAGE LT PRO AGPx2 - HELP PLEASE!! ("Michael Searle")
Re: SupraExpress 56i modem driver? (">Ross Craig Wonderley")
Re: Best sound card for use w/ Linux? ("Juztice")
Sierra or ATI ("Dariusz Goi�ski")
Re: Diamond Viper TNT AGP + XWindows (Timothy Murphy)
Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT! (Brian Hartman)
Re: Creative CDRW reported as DVD too (Gordon Gilbert)
Re: Creative Graphics exxtreme driver? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Juztice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lucent win modem
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:14:15 +0800
but i thought the Lucent Venus PCI modem should be able to work.
JeroenHoppenbrouwers wrote in message <7kcpp1$g6l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Malcolm Carlson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> Anybody get a Lucent Winmodem to work with linux?
>
>Winmodems need a significant amount of software support, and rely on
>lots and lots of code in Windows. Therefore, they don't work without these
>drivers and since the drivers are only for Windows, I'm afraid you're
>out of luck.
>
>The same with WinPrinters: they need about the whole Windows GDI to work.
>
>--
>dr.ir. Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers, Senior Researcher at | Stop recycling code;
>Infolab, Tilburg University, The Netherlands | start recycling
ideas!
>http://infolab.kub.nl/people/hoppie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.dev.svgalib
Subject: Re: Sierra or ATI
Date: 19 Jun 1999 16:36:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <mtPa3.3198$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dariusz Goi�ski wrote:
> Wich chipset is better for working in X window under Linux (RedHat 6.0) :
> - Sierra Falcon64
> or
> - ATI Mach64?
Don't know about the Sierra, but I've seen the ATI Mach64 work very well.
I personally have a Matrox G200.
--
Benoit Goudreault-Emond
CoFounder, KMS Group ; Student, B. Comp. Eng, Concordia University
``Being too close to a fireball can worry a man --- to death.''
-- Zeb Carter in "The Number of the Beast" by Robert A. Heinlein
Note: the "From:" address is not correct to protect myself against spam.
My actual e-mail address is: ``bgoudem AT axess DOT com''
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From: Chris Harshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TNT2 or 3dfx Voodoo3?...
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:47:16 -0500
To research this topic yourself, try:
http://glide.xxedgexx.com/hardware.html
Chad Dale wrote:
>
> Uhm, for Linux I would say the Voodoo3. Much better support under Linux than
> has NVidia. Plus, V3 will play Quake3. If you are going to play games under
> Win98 only though, I would go with the TNT2 becuase it has much nicer 3D
> image quality.
>
> J. Blair wrote in message ...
> >what's the better bet for linux? a 16MB TNT2 or a 16MB Voodoo3? i'm about
> >to buy a computer, and i don't know what video card to put into it. i dual
> >boot with winblows98, too.
> >thanks,
> >jimmy
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 08:39:24 -0600
From: CwF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: LVD Question
Hi,
This thread deals with an IBM 9ES drive in particular. The jumper for
Termination on W and UW drives is used as a LVD/SE selector on U2W drives. The
same jumper - different use.
Clark
Ron Reaugh wrote:
> David Peters wrote in message <7kf1f9$39q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Sorry to take the focus away from this thread, but I've bee wondering the
> >same thing as Mike here. I read the SCSI FAQ and I read Ancot's free SCSI
> >book but they conflict on the topic of LVD. The FAQ says its OK to mix LVD
> >and SE devices,
>
> Mixing SE and LVD works fine and all devices run in SE mode.
>
> > while the book says it's a no-no.
>
> My guess is that they are talking about SE and the older HVD(plain
> "differential") which is NOT ok to mix.
>
> > It sounds like it's OK as
> >Johan's hard drive has a jumper for LVD/SE. So is the case you can have a
> >mixture of SE and LVD as long as all the devices are configured (SE or LVD)
> >the same?
>
> Most LVD devices switch to SE mode automatically without the use of a jumper
> in a mixed environment.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Diamond Viper TNT AGP + XWindows
Date: 19 Jun 1999 17:34:23 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin) writes:
>>Does anyone know what chip set / if an X server exists (or where I can
>>get one) for a Diamond Viper TNT AGP card (16 MB)?
>>
>>If anyone just knows a place where I can search for free (or even
>>commercial, god forbid) X-servers, I would really appreciate it.
>You can download an X-server for the TNT & TNT2 (and some more RIVA's)
>at www.nvidia.com
I'm sure this is the best thing to do,
but the X on RedHat-6.0 (SVGA driver) actually works with this card.
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefano Ghirlanda)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: linux on 386
Date: 19 Jun 1999 14:38:33 GMT
Hi everyone,
I happen to have an 386 with which I would like to do something useful,
but mostly play with :-)
Now, I still have to open it to see what's inside (got it from a friend
for free) but I would like to know if there is some info about minimum
hardware requirements to run a simple linux system.
My plan is to use it as a loghost for a small network (5-6 machines) so
that it should only allow syslogd or simlar connections and from these
machines only. There doesn't need to be any X or fancy stuff or even user
programs beyond what's needed to examine the logfiles.
Any suggestions or pointers are welcome...
thanks a lot,
Stefano
--
Stefano Ghirlanda, Zoologiska Institutionen, Stockholms Universitet
Office: D554, Arrheniusv. 14, S-106 91 Stockholm, Sweden
Phone: +46 8 164055, Fax: +46 8 167715, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: linux on 386
Date: 19 Jun 1999 16:13:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 19 Jun 1999 14:38:33 GMT,
Stefano Ghirlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I happen to have an 386 with which I would like to do something useful,
>but mostly play with :-)
A 386 would be fun for that. With typical distributions, you might need
as much as 8 megs on board, but with some trickery, you can shoehorn
Slackware on there with only 4 megs RAM and as small as 40 megs disk.
>My plan is to use it as a loghost for a small network (5-6 machines) so
>that it should only allow syslogd or simlar connections and from these
>machines only. There doesn't need to be any X or fancy stuff or even user
>programs beyond what's needed to examine the logfiles.
You might want to have lots of disk then, and possibly look for the
compressed ext2 filesystem as well -- logs compress real well.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: "Michael Searle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RAGE LT PRO AGPx2 - HELP PLEASE!!
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:13:44 +0100
I hvae a Rage LT PRO AGPx2 Video card in my laptop anyone know of a driver
that works?
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From: ">Ross Craig Wonderley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SupraExpress 56i modem driver?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:46:03 +0100
I can say for certain that it's not a WinModem. because mine works. You
need to tell your BIOS that you have a non -PNP operating system (ie
Linux) and you need to use PNP CONFIG and ISAPNP. Make sure you set up
the correct serial port also.
I can't help much beyond this. I do know I had a lot of grief getting my
modem going, but I can't remember exactly what I did beyond the above.
Ross
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From: "Juztice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Best sound card for use w/ Linux?
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:17:20 +0800
hmm... maybe the next release of opensound will support sb live... then get
sb live.
Deryk Barker wrote in message <7kcdqo$erp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>David Fox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
>:
>: > On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:49:03 GMT, Gravot wrote:
>: > >prefaced with a "win"? I am especially curious about sound cards. Is
>: > >there any one card that is more suitable than the rest? If so, what is
>: > >the reasoning? Any favorites?
>: >
>: > Creative labs ISA cards are a snap to set up on linux. And you get to
put a
>: > useless ISA slot to use (-;
>:
>: But they don't sound particularly good (music-wise) if that is
>: something you are concerned about.
>
>I'm glad you mention that, because I'm looking to get a sound card
>that will allow me to digitize analogue signals (e.e. tapes) so that I
>can put them onto CD.
>
>Anyone recommend a card with decent sounding *input* facilities too?
>
>--
>|Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be
understood|
>|Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to.
|
>|email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
|
>|phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen.
|
>
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From: "Dariusz Goi�ski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.dev.svgalib
Subject: Sierra or ATI
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:22:42 GMT
Wich chipset is better for working in X window under Linux (RedHat 6.0) :
- Sierra Falcon64
or
- ATI Mach64?
Please send answer to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Diamond Viper TNT AGP + XWindows
Date: 19 Jun 1999 17:36:57 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mj) writes:
>Go to xfree86.org and download the latest SVGA server (3.3.3.1 or somewhat
>like that). I works great with my ELSA ERAZOR II (Riva TNT too).
>You won't find these server on DEBIAN 2.2 or REDHAT latest releases. Download
>directly from www.xfree86.org (there you'll find a FTP site for download).
This isn't true, at least as far as RedHat-6.0 is concerned.
The standard SVGA driver _does_ support TNT/TNT2.
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: Brian Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT!
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:44:53 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:27:39 -0400, Brian Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Rod Roark wrote:
> >
> >> Brian Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [deletia]
> >How often have you had to partition anything in order to get Windows
> >installed? You can install Windows on a clean hard disk with one partition
> >with absolutely no fuss, just going through the steps. By contrast, in order
>
> Yup, this was especially nice before FAT32 was widely available.
> Castration is a double edged sword. Sure it's dead simple, however
> is it also risks becoming useless.
>
> Sure it was 'easy', it also wasted a shitload of drive space.
I wasn't talking about efficiency. Obviously it would be most efficient to back up
all your files, do a complete format of your hard drive,
partition the drive into optimal partitions, and then install the OS. However, this
isn't the simplest root, and the efficiecncy gained is of
questionable value if you can't get through the procedure. You're mixing ease-of-use
with efficiency here.
>
>
> >to install Linux, you have to deal with Disk Druid and partitions and mount
> >points and swap files. You can't seriously tell me this is less difficult
> >than Windows, can you??
>
> A better description would be: complete.
>
A better description would be - unnecessary. The average user (and if we're talking
about ease-of-use, we have to talk about the average
user) would just as soon not go through all that to install an OS. And if they're
moving from one Windows-based OS to another (95 to NT, for
example) they don't need to. Yes, it's not a fair comparison, because Windows
installs have an edge in this regard, but it's not a fair world, is
it? The bottom line is this: If you're installing from a CD, you've already got an
OS on your system. In these cases, no repartitioning will be
necessary for Windows to go on your machine. At worst, you'd simply need to format it.
>
> Although, you're spreading misinformation anyways.
>
>
>http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/manuals/RHL-6.0-Manual/install-guide/manual/doc021.html
>
> 2.8 Disk Partitions
>
> Nearly every modern-day operating system uses disk partitions, and Red Hat Linux is
>no exception. When installing Red Hat Linux, it will be
> necessary to work with disk partitions. If you have not worked with disk partitions
>before (or would like a quick review of the basic concepts)
> please read Appendix C before proceeding.
>
> Please Note: If you intend to perform a workstation- or server-class installation,
>and you already have sufficient unpartitioned disk space,
> you do not need to read this section, and may turn to Section 2.9. Otherwise, please
>read this section in order to determine the best approach
> to freeing disk space for your Red Hat Linux installation.
>
The key here is *unpartitioned* disk space. Since most computers already come with
Windows on them, you're right back where you started deleting
that partition, running Disk Druid, etc. The only way you'd actually be able to avoid
it is to either buy an unformatted hard drive or to run
FDISK on the drive you already have. The first option is relatively expensive, the
second is intimidating to the average user.
> ...
>
> >
> >In the first place, dual-boots are always a lot harder to set up than
> >plain-vanilla installs. Secondly, the problem you seemed to be having isn't
> >with Windows, but with ATI. There are plenty of badly-written drivers out
> >there for both platforms. And NT's support for hardware isn't much better
>
> Except ATI is supposed to have one of the best reputations when
> it comes to quality and maturity level of drivers.
>
Well, it seems that that reputation is not entirely deserved, then, doesn't it? The
fact is that there's no excuse for a vendor's driver not to
work in Windows. MS releases betas specifically to let vendors deal with driver
issues. As an open-source OS, Linux would actually have an
advantage here, if the market wasn't so small. As it is, like I said, hardware for
Linux tends to get supported when interested parties develop
drivers on their own.
>
> >than Linux's (particularly because Win9x drivers access the hardware in ways
> >NT doesn't allow).
>
> This is a lame excuse. Accessing the hardware is what device drivers do.
>
There's a difference between accessing the hardware through the OS and accessing the
hardware directly through machine-level BIOS interrupts.
It's the latter that NT doesn't allow. This is both a blessing and a curse: A
blessing because it means viruses can't address your hard drive,
for example, directly and wreak havoc, a curse because certain programs (most notably
games using DirectX) won't run properly under NT.
>
> [deletia]
> >> did not mention this little detail). God only knows what you have to do
> >> to get it working with '98. And I can't count the number of times I had
> >> to reboot the machine in the course of the above.
> >>
> >
> >Again, your problem here is with the video card, not the OS. I don't know if
>
> How can it be? Everyone is supposed to be 'designing for Win9x'
> after all. This is the predominant OS, all other competitors
> COMBINED are 1/10th less the size. This is the great cash cow
> everyone is pandering too.
>
> Quite simply: bullocks.
>
There's a great difference between designing for an OS and designing well for it.
Simply put, if the drivers for your ATI card came from ATI,
then ATI is at fault, and not Windows.
>
> >you tried this, but you might want to try just setting it up with standard
> >SVGA drivers included with the system. That's what I had to do with my NT
> >install. If we're gonna talk about hardware problems, let's talk about the
> >fact that when I was doing my Linux install not only did Linux not recognize
> >my CD-ROM (which is a standard SoundBlaster CD-ROM that's been around for
>
> Redhat didn't. There's a bit of differnce.
>
True. I sit corrected. Red Hat is, however, supposed to be one of the most
user-friendly versions of Linux out there.
>
> >God-knowns-how-many years) but even after install, trying to get it to mount
> >was an excercise in frustration. After wading through the HOWTO information
> >(which was both incomplete and incorrect) I was finally able to cobble
> >together a solution that was suitable. It's now almost 2 weeks after I got
> >my Linux CD, and I'm just now able to mount and unmount the CD-ROM through
> >the GUI.
>
> Mebbe you should use news archive services more often.
>
> Mind you, there are GUI mounters that are no more
> complicated to deal with than searching a file archive,
> downloading and installing.
>
I was picking the brains of people on #redhat on IRC, actually. Not a bad bunch. But
this is besides the point. The documentation was lacking,
as was the seamless support of a legacy device.
>
> >
> >>
> >> This "easy to install" MS Windows myth is indeed, as the title so
> >> eloquently states, bullshit. It's only easy if you're doing just what
> >> MS thinks you should be doing, nothing more.
> >>
> >
> >Linux not only demands that you install software just so, but it also limits
> >your hardware to whatever freelance developers decide to develop drivers and
> >jerry-rigs for. It's obviously not Linux's "fault", bit drivers for Linux
>
> Which includes things like video capture boards, RAID controllers
> and flatbed scanners. How do you even get off spewing this when
> in this same article you are trying to make excuses for one of the
> biggest and oldest video vendors in the biz: ATI.
>
As you can see further up in this article, I make no excuses for ATI. I said several
times that the ATI drivers were at fault. Exactly how did
this twisting occur in your mind? And anyway, the point of the paragraph was that
most major hardware companies simply don't develop for Linux at
present. That's why you have to rely on third-party solutions. The difference here
is that when ATI releases a driver for Windows and it doesn't
work, ATI is at fault. But if (for example) a piece of hardware (say a digital
camera) doesn't have NT drivers either on the NT CD or bundled
with the camera, then it's the operating system's fault. The difference is if you
release drivers with your product, those drivers ought to
work. (After all, MS releases betas of it's OS's for the explicit purpose of letting
vendors develop drivers.)
>
> My Linux box runs (and runs well) some hardware that the pedestrian
> Windows users in the family weren't even aware of before I mentioned
> that I was using such.
>
I won't argue this point. There are certainly some high-end devices (particularly in
the area of networking and high capacity storage) that run
better under Linux.
>
> >are much harder to come by than for Windows. Hell, I'm still trying to
> >figure out how to print to my printer. There's not an OS out there that
> >doesn't demand that you install hardware in a specific procedure. The
> >procedure for installing Linux happens to be (on average, on a system with
> >all main components compatible) much more drawn-out and complicated than with
> >Win9x or NT.
>
> I just used the control panel.
>
How could you use the control panel before you installed Linux??
>
> >
> >None of this is really meant to say that Linux is a bad operating system. In
> >general, I like Linux, and would probably recommend it to anyone I knew that
> >could handle setting it up. I'm just pointing out that it's not as easy to
> >install.as Windows, your charming little anecdotes to the contrary. ;)
>
> Except they're not just little anecdotes. Furthermore, those post
> install problems are nothing to gloss over. Win98 even can't be
> expected to keep on working reliably once installed.
>
My point boils down to this: Take the average user, give them both Linux and Windows
to try installing, and see who has an easier time of it. My
money's on the Windows user. If nothing else, it's simply a less foreign OS that has
fewer compatibility problems.
>
> Gump would be better off with an Apple.
>
I think Gump owns an I-Mac, actually. ;) As far as post-install, I've already agreed
with you there (which is why I'm running Linux).
>
> [deletia]
> --
>
> bash: the power to toast your registry in style... |||
> / | \
>
> Seeking sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Gordon Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.video.dvd.tech,rec.video.dvd.tech,rec.video.dvd.players
Subject: Re: Creative CDRW reported as DVD too
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:59:36 -0400
Glitch wrote:
>
> even if u could read the disc there is no point in it since there aren't
> any dvd movie programs available in order to watch the movie. TH eonly
> thing u could do is to moutn the dvd and thats it.
There are software DVD players available. One even came with my
sound card! There are also DVD-Roms. But I doubt that CD-RW player
can actually read DVDs.
--
- Gordon Gilbert | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
- Visit The Audiophile Asylum for CD and DTS CD Reviews with -
- Sound Quality Ratings at http://pages.sssnet.com/glg -
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Creative Graphics exxtreme driver?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:14:16 GMT
Yeah I have one in my system. RedHat 6.0 recognized it automatically
and used the 3DLabs X Server.
Now if I can only figure out how to get Quake3 Server running on it.
In article <7kctn9$k5d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"bernard.deleplanque" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it possible to install a graphics exxtreme card with Linux??
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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