Linux-Hardware Digest #617, Volume #10 Mon, 28 Jun 99 17:13:50 EDT
Contents:
Re: multiple device with disks of different type ("Tony Platt")
Re: Cyrix MII MediaGX all-in-one mobo (Greg H)
Troubles with ATI 3D Charger (infoworkx)
Re: support for radio ethernet ("Michael Faurot")
Colorado 350 support? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
partition size incorreclty listed (Stefano Ghirlanda)
Anybody Using Orb Mechanism? (Art Urban)
QISV Catalogs... ("asdf")
Re: howto - radio- and sound card? (Robert Woodworth)
Problems with UDMA (Oliver Kurth)
Re: Modem and kppp (Cesar Mateus Conceicao)
Guillemont soundcards under linux? (TheKidi)
KSCD and TBS Montego A3D sound card (Vortex). (Mevacor)
Re: multiple device with disks of different type ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Building a Dual system: advice wanted (Greg Bartels)
Re: Modem Instalation Problems (Cesar Mateus Conceicao)
Re: howto - radio- and sound card? (Matt Willis)
adaptec 7890 and AGP Motherboard? (Ryan S Warner)
Re: (despite my occasional anti-linux post, read this) was Re: Monitor (Alex Lam)
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From: "Tony Platt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: multiple device with disks of different type
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:30:01 +1000
Junichi SAITO wrote in message <7l82vd$4il$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In a sense, the answer to my question is given in Software Raid
>mini HOWTO. I would like, however, to have a more precise one to
>the following case.
>
>Can I use safely a multiple device (linear personality) created
>out of a partition (about 150Mb) of an IDE disk with DMA enabled
>and an entire IDE disk (old one, 162Mb) without it ? Or the type
>of disks used is absolutely indiferent ?
Yes but the entire disk still needs to be partitioned !!!
you can use / mix IDE and SCSI partitions in a MD raid type device
Tony
>I have recently experienced strange things while compiling on this
>partition: *.xpm files with the attribute of a character device,
>unusually huge files, moreover all unremovable even by root.
>
>The kernel versions are 2.2.9 and 2.3.1. The mainboard is an EPoX's
>EP-MVP3G-M with VT82C586. I have enabled the experimental support
>for this chip.
>
>tia.
>
>--
>junichi
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From: Greg H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cyrix MII MediaGX all-in-one mobo
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:36:50 GMT
Michael Wellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I forgot where I read this but I heard that you can reasonably expect
> everything to work on the 'all inclusive' MediaGX system except video
> above vga.
Is it possible to disable the on-board video and plug a PCI video
card in as a replacement? I have an STB Trio64 2 MB DRAM from another
system lying around. I don't know much about the Cyrix system, but
I have seen blurbs about the MediaGX chip being some kind of proprietary
system. I'm wondering if that rules out using a video card in one of
the PCI slots.
Thanks for the response!
Greg H.
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From: infoworkx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Troubles with ATI 3D Charger
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:12:30 +0200
Hi everybody
I'm having trouble with my ATI 3D Charger graphic card. After starting
sax, PCI-bus scanning failed and my graphic card doesn't work in XFree86
at all. I'm using SUSE 5.3. A ATI card, which I used before, worked
well. Can anybody help me???
Thx.
cu. Didi.
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From: "Michael Faurot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: support for radio ethernet
Date: 28 Jun 1999 15:14:00 GMT
Basant Rajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: need to know if any radio-ethernet cards are supported on linux.
I have no experience with this type of hardware myself. But I've
recently been looking over the products made by Proxim, and they
appear to have a hardware solution that should work with any ethernet
card or OS. Apparently the RF device connects to the system's own
ethernet card, thus no driver support is required by the OS.
http://www.proxim.com/
--
==============================================================================
Michael | mfaurot | Every time I think I know where it's at, they move it.
Faurot | atww.org |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Colorado 350 support?
Date: 28 Jun 1999 10:43:01 -0500
Hey all.
Pretty new to tape backup support under Linux but I'm curious to know
if anyone has any RedHat 5.1-compatible solutions for a Colorado 350
tape backup drive?
I tried the ftape utility but didn't have much luck with it. I
rebuilt the kernel with the supprot for it but when I tried running
'mt' it came back saying it wasn't a supported function or something
of that nature.
The tape drive sits on the floppy controller (the old floppy drive
cable fits into the tape drive cable).
Ring a bell for anyone?
Thanks for any assistance. Please reply via Email (this seems to be a
rather busy newsgroup and I'm not sure when I'll make it back to check
for followups) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers,
Ian Douglas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefano Ghirlanda)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: partition size incorreclty listed
Date: 28 Jun 1999 17:58:32 GMT
Hi,
I have a partition on my secondary scsi hard drive whose size is not
correctly listed by df, although fdisk sees it correctly.
Here is the fdisk -l output:
Disk /dev/sdb: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 2047 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 1 1 129 132080 82 Linux swap
/dev/sdb2 130 130 330 205824 83 Linux native
/dev/sdb3 331 331 2047 1758208 83 Linux native
And here the df one:
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
...
/dev/sdb3 1139583 619304 461399 57% /home
Any hint?
I also have a small problem with the scsi host adapter, adaptec AHA-2740,
which complains at boot that the (other) drive has a wrong number of
cylinders/head/sectors... I seem to gather that this is because fdisk has
no way of telling the scsi adapter that it has set properly the c/h/s
count. Can this cause problems? How to remedy?
Thanks a lot for any help,
Stefano
--
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Office: D554, Arrheniusv. 14, S-106 91 Stockholm, Sweden
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From: Art Urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anybody Using Orb Mechanism?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:30:25 +0000
Hey,
Is anybody already using the Castlewood Orb under RedHat 6.0? I would like to know
what was needed to set it up. Thanx!
--
Art Urban
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From: "asdf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: QISV Catalogs...
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:39:04 -0500
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From: Robert Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: howto - radio- and sound card?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:40:03 -0600
Zolee wrote:
>
> How can I use my Packard Bell Radio card under SuSE linux 6.1 Kernel 2.2.5?
>
> And
>
> Could anyone tell me step-by-step how to set up my Gravis US PnP soundcard?
> The ISAPNP finds it but I can't hear any sound.
>
> Please write me an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], because I can't read this
> list for a long time
>
> thanks.
>
To compile a 2.2.x Kernel for your sound card, you must compile it
directly into the Kernel. That card, for some reaon, cannot be used as
a kernel module.
The option for it is a aztech radio under the video4linux subsection.
It works for me with gradio.
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From: Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems with UDMA
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:19:43 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello!
I have problems with my new harddrive. It is the 8.4 GB disk MPD3084
from Fujitsu. It does not work with UDMA2, although it should be able
to do even UDMA4. My board (NMC 6BAX with Celeron A 333) does not
support UDMA4, but I would be satisfied if would just do UDMA2. My
older drive (Fujitsu MPB3043) works with UDMA2. This is what I get:
blue:~ # hdparm -i /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
Model=FUJITSU MPD3084AT, FwRev=DD-03-44, SerialNo=05010735
Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
BuffType=0(?), BuffSize=512kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
DblWordIO=no, maxPIO=2(fast), DMA=yes, maxDMA=0(slow)
CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=16514064
tDMA={min:120,rec:120}, DMA modes: mword0 mword1 mword2
IORDY=yes, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, PIO modes: mode3 mode4
blue:~ # hdparm /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
multcount = 0 (off)
I/O support = 0 (default 16-bit)
unmaskirq = 0 (off)
using_dma = 0 (off)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
nowerr = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 8 (on)
geometry = 16383/16/63, sectors = 16514064, start = 0
blue:~ # hdparm -Tt /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 64 MB in 0.92 seconds =69.57 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 9.82 seconds = 3.26 MB/sec
blue:~ # hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
using_dma = 1 (on)
blue:~ # hdparm -Tt /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 64 MB in 0.91 seconds =70.33 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 9.81 seconds = 3.26 MB/sec
blue:~ # hdparm /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
multcount = 0 (off)
I/O support = 0 (default 16-bit)
unmaskirq = 0 (off)
using_dma = 0 (off)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
nowerr = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 8 (on)
geometry = 16383/16/63, sectors = 16514064, start = 0
blue:~ #
So Linux has switched dma off, because it gets errors, as can be seen
in the logs:
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: error=0x84 {
DriveStatusError BadCRC }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: error=0x84 {
DriveStatusError BadCRC }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: error=0x84 {
DriveStatusError BadCRC }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: dma_intr: error=0x84 {
DriveStatusError BadCRC }
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: hdc: DMA disabled
Jun 28 16:51:03 blue kernel: ide1: reset: success
Setting IO to 16 bit helps a bit, but not with dma:
blue:~ # hdparm -c1 /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
setting 32-bit I/O support flag to 1
I/O support = 1 (32-bit)
blue:~ # hdparm -Tt /dev/hdc
/dev/hdc:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 64 MB in 0.94 seconds =68.09 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 5.81 seconds = 5.51 MB/sec
blue:~ #
After using the -X32, -X33 or -X34 option the system hangs at the test.
I have already tried different cables (also shorter than 40cm, one was
even only 18 cm), without any success, disconnecting the CDROM
attached to the same cable does not help either. I am using hdparm
3.3, Linux 2.2.10.
The drive is configured with CHS, because this is what the board
autodetects, but manually switching to LBA doesnt help either.
I was thinking about buying an UDMA4 cable with 80 wires, but I would
like to get any comments first.
Oh, for comparison, this is what I get for my older drive (and what I
would expect for the new one):
blue:~ # hdparm -Tt /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 64 MB in 0.92 seconds =69.57 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 32 MB in 3.24 seconds = 9.88 MB/sec
blue:~ #
Any ideas?
Please CC to me personally. Thanks!
Oliver
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From: Cesar Mateus Conceicao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem and kppp
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:56:10 -0300
Opa...
Primeiro vc tem q saber qual a COM q o modem estah setado e a IRQ, acho q vc
jah sabe disso.
Munido dessas informacoes abre Xterm qualquer e executada essa linha ...
/bin/setserial /dev/ttyS[x] irq 5
Essa linha equivale ao "modemtool" ferramenta do RedHat ... vc usa RedHat??
Se precisar de algo eh so mandar
[[ ]],s
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I'm Going to write to Cesar in Portuguese...
>�i C�sar,
>Ser� que voc� pode me dizer como se insere esse parametro para que o
>modem funcione?
>Antonio
>
>
>/In article <7l5iba$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "C�sar Mateus Concei��o" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I put the modem worked ... with a hand of my friend ... he gaves me
>this
>> paramater !!!
>>
>> /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS2 [COM 3] irq 5
>>
>> And works good ... but now i have to automate thee.
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> barnacle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:7l4kdk$1fqa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > In article <7kp4va$fdf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Laine Walker-
>Avina"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >i'm using kppp for a dialer, and when i try to use my modem on
>/dev/ttyS2
>> it
>> > >says its busy. I have OpenLinux. My modem is also a PnP.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Just been through this loop (as a complete newbie) and kppp setup
>showed
>> all
>> > tty ports busy with a generic pnp modem. however it works fine if I
>select
>> > cua1 as the device...
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > barnacle
>> >
>> > http://www.nbarnes.easynet.co.uk
>>
>>
>
>
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From: TheKidi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Guillemont soundcards under linux?
Date: 28 Jun 1999 19:30:57 GMT
Hi,
Does somebody have some experiance about with maxisound sound card? Or
where can I try to get a driver or something?
Every help is welcome!
Cheers!
TheKidi ;-))
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From: Mevacor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KSCD and TBS Montego A3D sound card (Vortex).
Date: 28 Jun 1999 17:31:06 GMT
I installed Red Hat Linux 5.2 on a new Dell computer with TBS Montego A3D
sound card (Vortex chipset). I know that this sound card is not supported.
Thus, I can only listen to the CD by using ear phones. I cannot get any
sound from the speakers. Then, I download OSS beta driver for Vortex
chipset. It works well, but it cuts off after 20 minutes.
Today, I installed KDE 1.1 (including KSCD 1.2.5). When I used this CD
player, the music or sound was coming out of the speakers (Yeah!).
My question is that if the sound card is not supported (I did not turn on
the OSS driver with the command "soundon" and I check the modules with
"lsmod", and I check the device with "cat /dev/sndstat" which all comfirmed
that no sound card is installed), how can KSCD play the music through the
speakers?
BTW, if I use Xplaycd, no sound comes out of the speakers.
TIA.
Kai
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: multiple device with disks of different type
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:32:21 GMT
In article <WvMd3.17268$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tony Platt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Junichi SAITO wrote in message <7l82vd$4il$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >In a sense, the answer to my question is given in Software Raid
> >mini HOWTO. I would like, however, to have a more precise one to
> >the following case.
> >
> >Can I use safely a multiple device (linear personality) created
> >out of a partition (about 150Mb) of an IDE disk with DMA enabled
> >and an entire IDE disk (old one, 162Mb) without it ? Or the type
> >of disks used is absolutely indiferent ?
>
> Yes but the entire disk still needs to be partitioned !!!
> you can use / mix IDE and SCSI partitions in a MD raid type device
>
> Tony
Yes, of course, used partioned. So there is nothing wrong with the use
of the md ? I can thus eliminate one of the candidate causes of the
problem I have been having ( a random total hang).
Thanks.
> >I have recently experienced strange things while compiling on this
> >partition: *.xpm files with the attribute of a character device,
> >unusually huge files, moreover all unremovable even by root.
> >
> >The kernel versions are 2.2.9 and 2.3.1. The mainboard is an EPoX's
> >EP-MVP3G-M with VT82C586. I have enabled the experimental support
> >for this chip.
> >
> >tia.
> >
> >--
> >junichi
>
>
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From: Greg Bartels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Building a Dual system: advice wanted
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:02:42 -0400
Andrew Comech wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:38:53 -0400, brian wrote:
> > I need advice on the last of the component:
I am not sure whether under Linux
> you'd get any advantage of UDMA/66 vs. UDMA/33. My EX drive
> gives around 12MB/s and this is probably it... If at some
> point you see you need to downgrade UDMA/66 to UDMA/33, there is
> an EXE thing at Quantum's web site.
UDMA/66 is only useful if the motherboard supports it.
the only ones I know of that do are:
ASUS p5s-vm
DFI PW65D
INTEL L440GX+
and then there's the small matter of getting a driver
that works. there's been a lot of messages from people
asking about the Promise Ultra66 card, which does not
have a driver yet for Linux (at least from Promise).
does anyone know of a pci66 to udma66 combination
of hardware and software that will work with Linux?
Greg
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From: Cesar Mateus Conceicao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem Instalation Problems
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:01:20 -0300
Fellow,
Which dialer do U have ??? or Which dialer do U use ???
[[ ]],s
PS.: Send more information about your system ... OS? Kernel ? etc...
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have two modems on my machine and I can't
>configure the dialer. I have a message saying
>"Modem busy". What can I do ?
>
>Tony
>
>
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From: Matt Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: howto - radio- and sound card?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:50:35 +0000
> Zolee wrote:
> >
> > How can I use my Packard Bell Radio card under SuSE linux 6.1
> >Kernel 2.2.5?
> >
I have this card running by compiling support into the kernel. I think
it's
possible to have support for modules too, but I just did the simple
thing
and compiled it into the kernel. On redhat, the module radio-aztech.o is
defined and should be there under SuSE too. Try looking at
/lib/modules/2.2.5*/misc/
You can try using insmod and all that to help loading the modules you
need.
You will have to mess with /etc/conf.modules, which is why I personally
just
compile everything into one kernel.
Let's say you compile everything into the kernel -- If you run make
xconfig in
/usr/src/linux-2.2.10 you will find that the radio is also known as the
Aztech
card. Just accept the defaults (0x350). It is found under "Video for
linux".
You may also have to create the radio device if it is not there. I did
this
(as root):
mknod /dev/radio0 c 81 64
ln -s /dev/radio0 /dev/radio
You won't hear anything until you actually get your sound card working
though. If you get really annoyed at sound support, and want to hear
something in 20 minutes, try going to www.opensound.com and downloading
the "commercial"
drivers. They cost me $20 but work better than my kernel-compiled
drivers. The
advantage is that you can try them for free, and they are really easy to
install. After a while, they annoy you because the trial version stops
working.
The radio doesn't do anything until you download a program to play it. I
know about these sites:
http://www.exploits.org/v4l/fmtools.html
http://cactus.rulez.org/radioactive/
http://fallout.cs.unr.edu/projects/gradio/
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From: Ryan S Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: adaptec 7890 and AGP Motherboard?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:36:03 -0500
Do motherboards with the Adaptec 7890 SCSI chipset in them work with
Linux. And how about AGP video adapters? In particular I'm considering
the ASUS P2B-LS. Nice looking piece of hardware, if it'll work well.
R Warner
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: (despite my occasional anti-linux post, read this) was Re: Monitor
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:52:07 -0700
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> Alex Lam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : >
> : In fact. I've tried to install Redhat since 4.0 on 5 different boxes,
> : from old P-133
> : to my new dual cpu U2W SCSI server, non would install properly. But with
> : SuSE, everything installed smoothly on the 1st run, without even a
> : single hiccup.
>
> I've had no problems with RedHat installs, other than its not
> recognizing any ISA PnP devices at install time. (Easy enough to fix
> later, IF you know where to look, but newbies won't.)
>
> Never tried SuSE, but the installer, YAST, from what I understand is
> non-free. I don't want to be at the mercy of a non-free package for
> any important part of my system. It was to get away from having my
> data and productivity held hostage to a single vendor that I migrated
> to Linux in the first place. Nothing against SuSE in general, but I
> want my OS to be as completely free as is possible.
>
> : And SuSE now costs half as much as Redhat. Even if you buy directly from
> : SuSE. (I did)
>
> Cost isn't the issue for me; freedom is. I agree that SuSE is
> probably a better value, especially for relatively new users. It also
> has the reputation of being much more carefully tested. But they
> should be aware that at least one part of their system, YAST, is not
> free and should SuSE change or break or refuse to distribute it at any
> time in the future, they could be stuck. By contrast, all core parts
> of RedHat, and Debian, are completely free (GPL).
>
> : I think Redhat will eventually gives Linux a bad rep. Because of all the
> : noise that it's making lately, and they're releasing buggy distro to
> : flood the market (with 5.2), so they can generate more $ to make their
> : book looks good for the IPO not long ago. Then release a quickie (but
> : not thoroughly tested) bug fix (6.0) to fix the problem.
>
> I too am becoming somewhat dismayed by Red Hat's tendency to release
> early and often, before thoroughly testing. This approach works fine
> for those who are fairly knowledgeable already, as the resulting
> problems generally tend to be fixable. Kernels have always been
> released this way. It fails miserably for newbies, however, and those
> are the folks Red Hat has traditionally targeted. They need something
> that works right out of the box.
>
> Once Debian has a fully working replacement for the horrible dselect,
> I will probably begin to recommend Debian rather than any of the
> commercial distributions for those who are just getting started.
> Again, this isn't a slam against the others. I just find Debian's
> approach of not releasing until things are fully tested to be a breath
> of fresh air in what is rapidly becoming a mass-market-driven, rather
> than quality-driven, phenomenon.
>
> Joe
My statement is purely based on my personal experience.
I was able to install Slackware (years ago, pre-ELF) in 30 hours in pure
text mode
(in fact, my very first encounter with Linux)
But RH has never allowed me even a single successful installation.
Maybe RH doesn't like me either. I don't care which is more popular.
If I want to run something popular, I'd keep M$ instead of migrating to
Linux and
FreeBSD 100%. (Hopefully by the end of this summer I can complete the
process.)
Alex Lam.
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