Linux-Hardware Digest #343, Volume #12 Fri, 25 Feb 00 15:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Update on Linux + OS/2 + Win2k system (Kenneth Crudup)
Re: Update on Linux + OS/2 + Win2k system (Kenneth Crudup)
Re: a VERY stupid question!! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux vs Windows docs (was: Re: Linux sucks) ("Paul D. Smith")
Re: Update on Linux + OS/2 + Win2k system (Lorne Sunley)
Re: Frustrated trying to install sound! Please help! ("Jim Swanson")
Re: scsi drivers (Spot)
2.2.x SMP and DK440LX issues (Dmitri A. Sergatskov)
Re: Sound problems under SuSE 6.3 (moomoo)
Zip disks automatically copying themselves! (moomoo)
Burned system!? (ajam)
DAQ HELP Needed... (Mustafa Ihsan Ecemis)
Re: Redhat 6.1 and 4mb ATI Rage Mobility M Video Chipset (IbmThinkpad (Che Ma)
Re: Some help!!!! ("Mojo B. Nichols")
Re: a VERY stupid question!! ("Mojo B. Nichols")
Re: IDE tuning (Mike Castle)
IBM Hard Disk : 371350 DJNA (Deskstar 22GXP) ("Saverio Domanico")
USB on VIA MVP4 (Compaq Presario) (Rod Smith)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.storage
Subject: Re: Update on Linux + OS/2 + Win2k system
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth Crudup)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:11:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"William L. Hartzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says:
>May I ask but isn't this VMware stuff just another name for
>sessions-screen groups that OS/2 uses to run Netware?
I *really* don't think that's all there is to it- you've got to remember
that most of what VMware does (provides a private virtual machine) is
emulation of devices, and *that's* the tricky part.
-Kenny
--
Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C.
Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914
Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-8181
Work: 19420 Homestead Road Cupertino, CA 95014-0606 (408) 447-6654
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.storage
Subject: Re: Update on Linux + OS/2 + Win2k system
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth Crudup)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:12:02 GMT
>> What costs $30 grand?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says:
>Windows 2000 TCO ?
What's "TCO"?
-Kenny
--
Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Washington, D.C.
Home1: PO Box 914 Silver Spring, MD 20910-0914
Home2: 38010 Village Cmn. #217 Fremont, CA 94536-7525 (510) 745-8181
Work: 19420 Homestead Road Cupertino, CA 95014-0606 (408) 447-6654
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: a VERY stupid question!!
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:11:57 GMT
On 25 Feb 2000 16:06:37 GMT, J Bland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:15:25 -0500, Gregory M. Hebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"Edward Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> Actually, Windows users don't know Linux but Linux users know Windows.
>>>
>>> I still need Windows for
>>>
>>> 1. Multi-file downloads with Outlook Express.
>>
>> Are you talking about attachments? If so, use metamail.
>>Save the entire email to a file and then execute the following:
>>
>> metamail -w saved_email_file
>>
>>Metamail will find all the attachments and give you the option
>>of saving them. It will also automatically decode any attachment
>>and save it in its binary format (text attachments will be saved
>>as text, of course).
>> I haven't used a distribution yet that didn't include metamail.
>>
>
I just have procmail extract all my attachments and dump them
into a particular directory. ~/Mail/tmp
For outgoing attachments, I wrote myself a small tcl/tk script
that sends pops up a dialog box to get the maill address and
sends out each file you've fed it into it's own separate message.
This works great with dfm->WM Drag&Drop.
>Also for attachments, pine handles them well, and kmail does them very well
>indeed IME. Email attachements shouldn't be a reason to stick with Windows,
>in fact the clients they use here at Liv uni don't handle them very well on
>Windows and *Linux* is making life easier here.
Even 'classic' Unix would be able to give you a shake and bake
solution for that.
--
|||
Resistance is not futile. / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Paul D. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Linux vs Windows docs (was: Re: Linux sucks)
Date: 25 Feb 2000 13:17:03 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Jordan) writes:
>> There are also various web sites that index the documentation.
jj> But y'all miss my point. I want the information *without* having to
jj> log onto the net.
This was exactly _my_ point. The documentation that comes with Linux is
_vastly_ superior to what comes with Windows. The "Windows Help" is
completely, totally, utterly useless. Not one single post appeared to
rebut that.
Linux comes with all kinds of on-line documentation. Yes, it's hard to
read and understand. Yes, it could be better written. Yes, of course
lots more work needs to be done. But at least it's there. I just can't
see that the quality of the documentation that comes with Linux vs. what
comes with Windows gives Windows a "win" in that column, any way you
slice it.
If your distribution doesn't come with a complete set of HOWTOs and
Mini-HOWTOs, and even some of the docs from the LDP, right on the CD,
then you should complain and/or find a better distro.
If you are trying to compare the quality of the books in the bookstore
for Windows vs. that for Linux, esp. for the beginning user, I agree
that's quite another story... for now.
But there's not much we here can do about that. We're programmers, not
writers (at least for the most part).
--
===============================================================================
Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management Development
"Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
===============================================================================
These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lorne Sunley)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.storage
Subject: Re: Update on Linux + OS/2 + Win2k system
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:13:40 GMT
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:12:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth Crudup) wrote:
> >> What costs $30 grand?
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says:
>
> >Windows 2000 TCO ?
>
> What's "TCO"?
TCO stands for Total Cost of Operation
It's a way of measuring what the cost of running a specific PC is
and includes hardware, software, updates to those two, and all the
labour involved with keeping the thing running and up to date.
--
Lorne Sunley
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From: "Jim Swanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Frustrated trying to install sound! Please help!
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:45:36 -0500
Soundblaster 16 Specs, from the Factory:
IRQ: 5
8-bit DMA Channel: 1
16-bit DMA Channel: 5
Audio I/O Address: 220
Mine is working fine on TurboLinux 6 and 4, but I can't get it to play on
any user but root. Anyone have the command to share this with all users?
--
Jim Swanson
MCSE, MCP + Internet
"Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to
anger."
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From: Spot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: scsi drivers
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:46:16 GMT
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:06:45 +0100, Martin Adler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> just had to let out with:
�As of my knowledge, you don't need any drivers for SCSI CD-ROM
drives. All you
�the drivers you need are for the SCSI host adapter. After that Linux
will
�access the SCSI CD-ROM....
�
�Try loading a boot disk module for you scsi host adapter.
�
�Good luck,
�
�
�Martin
Thanks, I'll give that a shot. It's a fairly old('92) box, and runs
Win95 like a dog. I'm hoping Linux will make better use of it's
limited resources so I might at least be able to use it as a firewall.
...Spot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dmitri A. Sergatskov)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: 2.2.x SMP and DK440LX issues
Date: 25 Feb 2000 18:53:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I updated multiple dual-CPU computers to RedHat 6.1 and recently
noticed that the computer built around Intel DK440LX (2X 333 MHz P-II)
motherboard has some "problem" in SMP mode. All benchmarks I tried
(MATLAB bench() or custom compiled Fortran code) are running
significantly (almost twice, but varies) slower in SMP mode than in UP
mode. In UP mode the numbers are the same as with similar system built
on 440BX motherboard (also 2X333Mhz) and the same as they used to be
with RedHat 5.2 (and earlier) and 2.0.x kernels.
The simplest "benchmark" I tried is the following trivial loop:
double precision x,y,z,sum
integer i,j,k
sum = 0.0d0
do i = 1, 1000
do j = 1, 1000
do k = 1, 100
sum = sum + real(i)*real(j)/real(k)
end do
end do
end do
write (6,*) sum
end
On LX machine 'time -v' gives: 11.5 sec. user, 5.5 sec. system (18 elapsed)
and approx 100 page faults (in case it matters), on BX the same binary
would result in: 11.5 sec. user, 0.1 sec system (11.5 elapsed)and also
100 page faults.
The difference is even worse for memory intensive code.
If I boot LX machine into SMP mode but with 'noapic' kernel argument it
runs the code as well as BX (but PCI would not work).
I tried 2.2.12 (stock RH6.1 and custom compiled) and 2.2.15(from RH6.2beta)
with identical results.
I do not no if I can easily run 2.0.x kernel on RH6.1 but I will try.
I do not see any error messages in /var/log/messages or elsewhere.
Bogomips or OK (cat
All suggestions and advises would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Dmitri.
p.s.:
Both computers have 512MB SDRAM and essentially identical CPUs.
cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 5
model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping : 0
cpu MHz : 333.061631
cache size : 512 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr
bogomips : 332.60
processor : 1
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 5
model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping : 0
cpu MHz : 333.061631
cache size : 512 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr
bogomips : 332.60
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From: moomoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound problems under SuSE 6.3
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:48:44 GMT
I have the exact same problem, except I have a brand new (that I know
works) sb 128 pci card.. It will install just fine with either the
kernel modules, oss, or alsa will find the card but it just won't
play...
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keenan Clay Wilkie) wrote:
>
> I have two soundcards, a SBAWE32 ISA PnP and a Diamond MX300
> (A3D2). Neither will work under SuSE 6.3
>
> I have used isapnp to configure the SBAWE card. I have tried using
the
> same settings that my Windows install uses and different settings. I
do
> not get any reported errors (all Enabled OK), but I still do not get
> sound.
>
> I have used the ALSA package included on the SuSE DVD. I configured
the
> card exactly as it is in Windows, ALSA reports no errors, but the test
> sound still does not play.
>
> I attempted to download and install the latest version of ALSA from
> alsa-project.org. It will not install citing a number of module
failures.
>
> I attempted to install the OSS package that was included with the SuSE
> DVD. It refuses to install claiming that the kernel does not support
> loadable sound modules (I find it rather disturbing that SuSE would
> provide a kernel that is incompatable with other packaged software).
I
> downloaded the 2.2.14 kernel, configured it for loadable sound modules
AND
> for module versioning, and it still fails (possibly because it only
wants
> to work on a 2.2.13 kernel).
>
> For the MX300 card, I downloaded the drivers from
http://linux.aureal.com
> and attempted to isntall them. I received a number of module errors
(one
> in /lib/modules/2.2.13/block and the other in
/lib/modules/2.2.13/pcmcia).
>
> What I find most odd is that if I run an X-based mixer program and
adjust
> the volume, the hiss from the SBAWE-connected will increase and
decrease
> accordingly, but no sounds will ever actually play from any sound
> producing program (such as xmms and the Gnome system sound manager).
I'm
> thinking that whatever I'm running is attempting to output the sound
to
> the wrong device, but I don't see how that is possible.
>
> Perhaps I am just missing something fundamental, but I'm relatively
new to
> Linux and it's rather frustrating that a card that did work in another
> maching (the SBAWE under RH5.2) won't work now.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: moomoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Zip disks automatically copying themselves!
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:46:27 GMT
Hi, I have a weird problem with my zip drive.
It is an internal ATAPI 100mb zip and it is installed as hdc(4).
I put in a disk and mount it and it works like a charm. However, when I
unmount and switch disks and mount it again the files from the previous
zip disk will be copied to the newly inserted one.. Whet is going on
here?? Anyone knows?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: ajam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Burned system!?
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:16:44 -0500
Okay, this is my question...
I have a machine booting both Linux and NT. The power-on switch in the
machine is one of these ones that does not really click. You just push
the damned thing really deep, and as the internal spring pushes the
button out, the thing turns on. I've been meaning to change the box,
but I've been procrastinating about it. Either way, Yesterday I turned
on the machine, and it did not turned on. It instead started making
this strange sound; possibly by the power supply fan. At that point, I
turned it off. And tried again after a few seconds, being more careful
this time; pushing in the power button in slower. The sound started
again. At that point I turned it off, bought a new box with a new power
supply and everything else, and move all the components fromt the old to
the new box. Well, now when I turn on the switch in the machine, the
power goes on; the cpu power goes on as well; but the machine itself
does not. I don't know at this point what exactly happened; if
something got burned or not. And if something got burned, what exactly
did. Either way, I know that this might be a little bit different than
some of the problem that other people in this list might be dealing
with, but I would surely appreciate any input that would shed some light
and help me get the system back in operation.
Thanks, ajam
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From: Mustafa Ihsan Ecemis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.development.system,alt.comp.hardware,de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware
Subject: DAQ HELP Needed...
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:23:09 -0500
Hello,
I'm looking for a PCMCIA DAQ Card with the following specs,
but I couldn't found any yet. The OS I'm using is Linux,
Kernel 2.2. Does anyone know any card matching these specs?
Sampling rate : at least 500kHz
Input : at least 1 differential analog (0-5V)
Output : at least 1 TTL digital
Input res. : 12 bits or higher
You can write me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any help is greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance.
Ihsan Ecemis.
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From: Che Ma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.problems
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.1 and 4mb ATI Rage Mobility M Video Chipset (IbmThinkpad
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:27:24 -0500
Jim Frost wrote:
> > > This is good advice. I don't remember which method that was, but absolutely
> > > try the vga=791.
> >
> > No, it is not a good advice. The method 1 from
> > http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/xserver.html WILL NOT work for
> > Mobility M 4MB.
> [...]
> > Try the instruction from http://www.staikos.on.ca/~staikos/tp1460.
> > DO NOT use frame buffer vga= if you want to use Mach64.
>
> The only thing doing the vga= line does is cause the BIOS to initialize the
> card for you. That corrects some problems with XF86's setup on some systems.
> That might work for you, or not, but it has nothing to do with whether or not
> you want to use Mach64.
>
> The particular description you're pointing to is out-of-date; XFree86 3.5.x's
> Mach64 server does support the Mobility chipset so you don't need patches.
>
> jim
The current stable release from xfree86.org is 3.3.6, the snapshots are 3.9.15~18.
The Mach64 from 3.3.6 does not for Mobility M 4MB without patch, although it claim
it does.
I have not tried the snapshots yet. Where can you get 3.5.x Mach84 server?
-Alex
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From: "Mojo B. Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some help!!!!
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:15:28 -0500
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Did you mount your floppy?
man mount
plus with RH can't you boot with the floppy in and do an upgrade instead of a
full install? that's the way mine works.
"John E. Maynus" wrote:
> I have an A3D Vortex sound card and Red Hat 6.1 won't play any sounds at all
> .
> Also Red Hat can't find my floppy drive, I put a disk in and nothing, says s
> omething about mounted wrong or something like that. I have a new kernal on
> disk and want to install it but can't.
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From: "Mojo B. Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a VERY stupid question!!
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:32:02 -0500
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Edward Lee wrote:
> 4. Lots of CAD/CAM tools.
>
Did you check out
http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Graphics/CAD/index.shtml
None of these meet your needs? even the commericial ones?
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > > I know that this kind of questions are generally very stupid!
> > > but, as i am going (soon) to install Linux and remove windows...
> > > I have some questions...
> > >
> > > 1. I am going to install Corel Linux. are there any problems
> > > with this release?
The problems you'll have will be is the hardware you have supported.
>
> > > 2. Is Windows better than Linux in ANY aspect... Is there any
> > > thing i can do in Windows and cannot do in Linux??
>
Windows crashes better (or at least more often). It's better at
proliferating viruses. Windows is better at squealching out competition
through "fair" business practices. Linux (and unix) is much more
flexible. You can actually work on it instead of waiting to pay for next
release. Contrary to popular opinion it is very easy to use and graphical
(of course I grew up on unix). Still I would install dual boot before
removing Windows. It takes some getting used to and you don't want to
isolate yourself from valuable news groups while you're getting used to it.
> >
> > Why don't you ask this in a Windows NG. They will give you tons of
> > reasons why Windows is better than Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Castle)
Subject: Re: IDE tuning
Date: 25 Feb 2000 06:59:25 -0700
In article <895bgb$kaf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I believe that if you put a drive that operates at, say PIO mode 2 and a
>drive that operates at PIO mode 4 on the same ide bus then both drives
>operate at PIO mode 2.
But it appears to me that all drives are capable of PIO mode 4. Am I
mistaken about that?
Also, I thought that was a limitation of some specific controllers, not a
limitation of IDE itself.
Also, I thought you basically either used DMA, UDMA or PIO.
mrc
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From: "Saverio Domanico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IBM Hard Disk : 371350 DJNA (Deskstar 22GXP)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:53:23 +0100
Help !
No way to install Linux (Redhat 6.1 or Slakware 7.0) on my computeur. It
seems that the Hard Disk drive is not recognised or I've a error message
"Impossible to write on your hard drive, protected ?". My disk drive is an
IBM Hard Disk : 371350 DJNA (Deskstar 22GXP)13.5 Go 7200t/mn.
It's partionned with 3 FAT32 partitions C:, D:, E:. I've installed Windows
98 in the first one and I'would like to reserve the second one for Linux,
the third one for user files.
I've made the same installation on my laptop computer Toshiba Satellite
300CDS and all is OK.
Is ther someone who encountered such a type of problem. Is there any
solution ? Do I have to buy another Disk.
Thanks for your feedback !
Saverio.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: USB on VIA MVP4 (Compaq Presario)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:03:41 GMT
Hi,
I recently acquired a Compaq Presario 1200-XL106 notebook computer. This
machine uses a VIA MVP4 chipset. I've been trying to get USB working on
this machine using the 2.3.4x kernel series, with no luck. Whenever I try
loading the uhci.o or usb-uhci.o module, the system hangs. The uhci.o
module gives me no messages before the hang, but the usb-uhci.o module
says it's located two ports (the Compaq has just one, but I believe the
MVP4 chipset supports two). Using the -m and -v options to insmod doesn't
reveal any more information. If I compile either driver into the kernel
proper (rather than as a module), the system doesn't boot completely. No
matter how it's done, the system is completely unresponsive to keyboard,
mouse, and network input (it doesn't even respond to pings via the
Linksys PCMCIA Ethernet card I've got). I get the same behavior with the
2.3.43, 2.3.44, and 2.3.47 kernels. I have no problems with any of this on
a desktop computer that uses a VIA MVP3 chipset.
Any ideas on this? Has anybody gotten USB working with an MVP4 chipset? Or
is there perhaps something else going on here...? Thanks for any help on
this matter.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & WordPerfect for Linux
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