Linux-Hardware Digest #416, Volume #12 Mon, 6 Mar 00 21:13:11 EST
Contents:
s3 trio 3d/2x ("protoscs")
Re: Newbe Question RE: Linux and Intel 286 ("Gregory M. Hebel")
Re: IDE tuning ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Wireless Network (Pischke)
Re: HPT366 and Linux ("macross")
Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow? ("Brian")
Re: Mac Classic II as "Linux terminal" ("Brian")
Re: An optical allusion that will astound you, works on all spec pc's:) ("K.A.
Steensma")
Re: Sound blaster pci 128 (Harvey Braun)
Re: AMD and LINUX (Scott Alfter)
Re: wanted: modem advice (Scott Alfter)
Re: Sound blaster pci 128 ("Jim Birkenmaier")
i810 and xfree86 ("Vinit Srivastava")
Re: AGP + Linux = ? (Vladimir Florinski)
Re: 4 Celeron motherboard? (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
Re: 4 Celeron motherboard? (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow? (Stefan Seyfried)
Re: Hooking up a monitor to a serial port? (Dave Brown)
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From: "protoscs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: s3 trio 3d/2x
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:16:06 +0200
hey there ppl i seem to have a problem with my display card its a s3 trio
3d/2x
(8MB) and linux just seems to hate it no matter what configuration i put it
on please help
another question has ne one tried linux with a Intel 740i
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From: "Gregory M. Hebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbe Question RE: Linux and Intel 286
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:34:54 GMT
Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a version that will run on a 286 based machine?
You could try using the ELKS project:
http://www.elks.ecs.soton.ac.uk/
Unfortunately, Linux-proper will only run on i386 processors and above
including its equivalents. I don't know if ELKS will do what you want
it to do, but it's worth a look.
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IDE tuning
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:48:13 GMT
In article <8956ql$rhg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Castle) wrote:
> Running 2.2.14 with Unified IDE patches.
where can i get these patches? i wish to improve ide performance also.
> Oh, and what in the hell does IORDY stand for?
WAG: I/O Ready, probably a lot like Flow Control on a modem. i have no
basis for this guess tho.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:59:34 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pischke)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Wireless Network
Yep, in fact I'm running that exact setup in my firewall at home right now
- 1 NIC for the DSL modem, one for the wired LAN and the third NIC is a
Wavelan ISA adapter card with a Wavelan PC card in it. Works like a charm.
-pischke
In article <KY_v4.3963$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bryan
<Bryan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.hardware Mary K. Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Okay, now I'm pumped. Here I was looking at having to pop $800 for an
> : access point, when instead I can stick an $80 card in my Linux server.
> : Only problem is it already has two NIC's in it (one connects to the DSL
> : modem, the other to the hub that serves the rest of the LAN). Anybody
> : ever stick three NIC's in one machine?
>
> yes - 3 tulip pci cards. no problem.
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From: "macross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HPT366 and Linux
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:25:11 -0500
Same deal here with the lockup....no idea why and i haven't found any
answers..
Macross
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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:27:39 -0800
<clipped for brevity>
>I installed SuSE 6.1 on a PPro 200 with 32M and forgot to make a swap
>partition; results were similar to what you describe. Adding swap made
>the system run a lot faster. And the person who said that a P133 is too
>slow for KDE and Netscape is awfully impatient--KDE+Netscape are usable,
>if sluggish, on a 486/66 with 32M and enough swapspace!
I have installed Slackware 3.9 on an AMD586-133 with 32 megs memory and it
was pretty good, speedwise. A 486DX2/66 with 32M is probably marginal in
speed but it will useable.
You may have other difficulties if it really was THAT SLOW!
Just one guys opinion.
Best regards,
Brian
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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mac Classic II as "Linux terminal"
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:32:30 -0800
Hi Rolf:
Have a look at this:
http://www.linuxhq.com/ldp/mini/Mac-Terminal.html
It is a Linux Mini-HowTo on employing MACs as terminals, not X-terminals.
Best of luck,
Brian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <8a0t73$3pq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello,
>
>is it possible to run a Linux server with Intel processor and then
>connect some old Mac Classic II's as X-Terminals ?
>
>I am using RedHat 5.1 which apparently understands Appletalk just
>fine. I was wondering how to connect the server and the (Mac) clients
>from a hardware point of view. I have not yet found an Ethernet card
>for the Mac Classic. Does such a thing exist or is there any other
>alternative ?
>
>Thanks a lot for any help.
>
>Cheers
>
>Rolf Leggewie
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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From: "K.A. Steensma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.network
Subject: Re: An optical allusion that will astound you, works on all spec pc's:)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:36:33 GMT
Anyone downloading & executing (under Windows9X) the program
'optical.exe' should check their system for a trojan. Check for the
presense of a program 'C:\WINDOWS\MSREXE.EXE' and/or
'C:\WINDOWS\MUEEXE.EXE'. The files are not flagged as a file containing
a virus, but as a file that contains a 'trojan'.
LL wrote:
> Watch a stunning array of files on your hard disk make a mesmerizing trip to digital
>oblivion. Take a trip down memory lane
> and enter the digital museum where your old friend mbr sits behind glass, a basket
>case, singing "start me up."
>
> > Run this file, and after 20 seconds of looking at optical visuals you will WANT to
>ring all your friends...damn amazing!!!
> >
> > www.fortunecity.com/westwood/makeover/759/optical.exe
> >
> > zfktkkcmsmsxkqbxorovvcwmhclmmzeuecrmwcnpuruqdsbyi
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From: Harvey Braun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound blaster pci 128
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:38:03 GMT
Lien-Fei Alex Chu wrote:
> I will say the card is supported. (RedHat 6.1). I am running RedHat6.0
> and using SB 128. However, I did have to go through some trouble to get
> it up and running. If you are looking for some solution, you have to
> give more detail...
> My card uses 1370 module... some use 1371.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Alex.
>
> Felix wrote:
>
> > Is Sound Blaster pci 128 supported ?
> > I use the Red hat 6.1 and soundconfig doesn't work.
> > My sound card doesn't sound.
Can you indicate approximately where the chip is located on the card. I
have a SB128 PCI card that I can't get working with Redhat 6.1 but does
work with the OSS sound drivers. I have looked over the card and cannot
find anything that has either number.
Thanks
Harvey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: AMD and LINUX
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:37:53 GMT
In article <LeJw4.15339$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm running an AMD K6-2 333 with an FIC VA-503+ motherboard and it runs
>great with all distributions I've tried (Mandrake 7.0, Caldera Openlinux 2.2
>& 2.3, Red Hat 6.1, Corel Linux). The funny thing (well maybe not) is that
>I can't get Windows (95, 98, 98 SE, NT 4.0) running more than a few minutes
>without crashing. I run this same system with the same components with
>Linux and it runs days straight with no problems. That's right, no
>problems, zero, zilch nothing.
Did you put thermal compound between the heatsink and fan? How big a
heatsink are you using? If you're using the same heatsink with a K6-2-333
that you used with a P5-133, it isn't going to cut it. K6-2s and -IIIs need
larger heatsinks to be cooled properly. I have a K6-2-300 running full-tilt
in a server, and it's rock-solid.
One reason why you might be seeing these problems under Win9x and not under
Linux is that Linux halts the processor when it's idle. Win9x doesn't do
this (unless you have something like CPUIdle installed); it runs a busy loop
when it's idle. (I run GIMPS clients on my machines, so they never sleep.
:-) )
_/_
/ v \
(IIGS( Scott Alfter (salfter at (yo no quiero spam) delphi dot com)
\_^_/ http://salfter.dyndns.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: wanted: modem advice
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:43:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John W. Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there a linux application that will allow the use of all the features
>of, say, the 3Com v.90 modems, i.e., data/fax/voicemail/speakerphone?
>If not that modem, any other one?
I have a USR Sportster Voice 56K set up with vgetty (part of mgetty+sendfax)
to receive data, fax, and voice calls. Faxes get dumped into my inbox;
voice messages are supposed to get the same treatment, but for some reason
it's not doing that automatically. Still, for what I've asked of it, it
works pretty well.
_/_
/ v \
(IIGS( Scott Alfter (salfter at (yo no quiero spam) delphi dot com)
\_^_/ http://salfter.dyndns.org
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From: "Jim Birkenmaier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound blaster pci 128
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:56:34 GMT
Can anyone tell me if SB PCI 512 is supported. If so, what is the
nane of the driver and where do I find it? Thanks.
Jim
"Harvey Braun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Lien-Fei Alex Chu wrote:
>
> > I will say the card is supported. (RedHat 6.1). I am running RedHat6.0
> > and using SB 128. However, I did have to go through some trouble to get
> > it up and running. If you are looking for some solution, you have to
> > give more detail...
> > My card uses 1370 module... some use 1371.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > Felix wrote:
> >
> > > Is Sound Blaster pci 128 supported ?
> > > I use the Red hat 6.1 and soundconfig doesn't work.
> > > My sound card doesn't sound.
>
> Can you indicate approximately where the chip is located on the card. I
> have a SB128 PCI card that I can't get working with Redhat 6.1 but does
> work with the OSS sound drivers. I have looked over the card and cannot
> find anything that has either number.
>
> Thanks
> Harvey
>
>
>
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From: "Vinit Srivastava" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: i810 and xfree86
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:27:50 -0800
Hi
I am having problems setting up the xfree86 server for the intel 810
chipset. I am running xfree86 3.3.6 and Redhat linux 6.1. I got the rpms
from intel support site and have followed the instructions that intel
provides on the website to install them. I have tweaked the XF86config file
adding the device and Screen sections as mentioned in the instructions. I am
still getting the lowest possible resolution.
The intel site mentions that this could be because of the fact that the
agpgart module not installed. But I have done that (insmod
/lib/modules/*/misc/agpgart.o ) and the module is installed. Am I missing
something?
Any help will be very appreciated as I am stuck on this.
Thanks,
Vinit
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AGP + Linux = ?
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:30:17 -0700
"Gregory M. Hebel" wrote:
>
> anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is there any kernel support for the the AGP port such as
> > filling in the GART / memory management / chipset init etc?
>
> > Grepping with agp on kernel 2.2.5.15 doesn't show anything.
>
> AFAIK, Linux sees the AGP slot as a PCI slot. As long as
> your BIOS is configured correctly with all the tweaks you
> want/need, you shouldn't have to do anything in Linux, kernel
> or otherwise.
>
But if you want to use GART and such you must apply the 'newagp' patch to the
kernel.
--
Vladimir
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
Subject: Re: 4 Celeron motherboard?
Date: 07 Mar 2000 09:14:50 +0800
>>>>> "David" == David C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> This is too ideal. The actual senario could be as bad as: One
>> processor hangs and corrupts its kernel. This makes it become
>> crazy, so crazy that it starts intervening the other
>> processors, corrupting the in-memory code being executed by
>> other processors. The other processors become crazy, too, and
>> drives the remaining processor crazy.
David> But these kinds of problems don't happen from abberant user
David> code. Only broken kernel code can cause this kind of
David> problem - and there's no way to protect a system against
David> broken kernel code if the hardware is SMP.
I'm not talking about a broken OS kernel. I'm talking about a broken
*CPU*, which goes crazy and hence may spit on the memory space where
the OS kernel code resides. Even a 100% perfect kernel can be
corrupted this way, driving other processors on the SMP system to go
crazy.
--
Lee Sau Dan $(0,X)wAV(B(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
Subject: Re: 4 Celeron motherboard?
Date: 07 Mar 2000 09:10:32 +0800
>>>>> "Atle" == Atle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> My experience from dual cpu PC:s with Linux is that reliability
>> is worse than for a single cpu system. If one processor locks
>> up, the whole system locks up. I have newer seen any console
>> message like... "CPU 1 out of order, continiuing with only CPU
>> 0" in linux. Fot the SMP DEC-10:s (from the middle/late
>> 1970:s) you could see this, but then it was the hardware that
>> was mostly unreliable.
Atle> Sorry - I was assuming each processor could be set up with
Atle> its own meory and window to the bus.
What you assumed is not SMP, but multiple machines.
If you want such a reliability and separation, you'd be better off
with 4 machines networked together than a 4-CPU system. If you want
the system to be able to schedule and migrate processes acrossing
these 4 machinese *automagically*, Linux or UNIX is the the thing you
want. You should find a DISTRIBUTED operating system, such as Sprite,
Amoeba and Mach. I'm not sure if these distributed OS are still in
research stage or has become productive.
Atle> Strange how one always
Atle> assumes that the systems are sensibly built, after all,
Atle> professionals build them :-)
Yeah. The professionals know what's the state of the art. So, they
build SMP systems, not multi-node (each node having its OWN memory,
OWN bus and also OWN disks) systems.
Multi-node system are there and are nothing new. IBM SP2 is an
example. Mind you that since the memory, disk and CPU are well
separated among the nodes, you cannot expect the spare memory on node
1 to be available for use by the CPU on node 2 or node 3. (Disk space
can be shared quite efficiently via network, but memory can't because
the network -- even very fast switches -- are too slow for memory.)
So, if you have 8 nodes with 128M RAM each, don't expect that you can
fully utilize that 1GB of RAM. It may turn out that you can just use
up 96MB of RAM on nodes 0-6, while a giant application running on node
7 may need 192MB of RAM, causing this node to thrash even when there
is spare memory on the other nodes. So, that's a
performance-reliability trade-off. (Multi-node systems can be better
utilized by correctly coded _parallel_ programs. But most existing
programs are not programmed that way.)
Atle> Why on earth don't they do this
Atle> any more? Or rather: Why don't they do it for PCI-bus
Atle> systems? The PCI-bus was made with this in mind, one of the
Atle> things a great 'effort' was put into was making sure there
Atle> was bus mastering support ... Where can I find a
Atle> description of the memory-cache-CPU setup ?
Why should they do that? If you want separate memory systems and
separate I/O systems, why don't you buy another single-CPU machine?
That's much simpler and cheaper. (Disks can be shared through NFS.)
--
Lee Sau Dan $(0,X)wAV(B(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System reqs - is P166 too small/slow?
Date: 7 Mar 2000 01:08:36 +0100
David Geelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> play their games. The machine is a P133 overclocked to 166, with 32 M of
> RAM.
My machine here is a P120 with 80MB of RAM
> The Linux is horrifyingly slow: click on an icon to open a window and
> then go away for 5-10 minutes while it opens - forget about actually
> doing anything on it.
Well, mine is not a sprinter, but it is usable, even with XWindows and
KDE. Browsing the web with Netscape is fine
> I guess I'll uninstall this install tonight, 'cos it's completely
> useless. I can then decide to do a proper dual-boot installation, which
> should improve the performance, or forget the whole project, or try
> another distribution, or... But I wanted to check first whether there
> are people successfully running Linux at reasonable speeds on machines
> of this size. It should be possible, shouldn't it?
It is possible. Watch out if you have a lot of daemons running, which
you probably don't need (NFS? portmap? samba? apache? sendmail?)
Try running only things you really need and build your own kernel with
only the things you need. Although 32MB should be enough, it is always
a good idea to keep the memory footprint of your system low, swapping
_will_ slow the system down. Try optimising disk performance with
hdparm. Install linux on ext2fs... Many options. :-)
HTH, YMMV.
Stefan
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Stefan Seyfried, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi, i'm a signature-virus! copy me to your .signature to help me spread!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: Hooking up a monitor to a serial port?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 6 Mar 2000 20:05:18 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Massey wrote:
>Hi, an old 486 of mine recently went dead, and so I've got a spare VGA
>monitor hanging around and nothing much to do with it. I've noticed that
>the kernel config has an option something like 'Console on serial port',
>which mentions that it's possible to plug a monitor into a serial port
>and see console messages there. Which sounds kind of fun. :-) I've
...
Linux is magic, but still can't turn a VGA monitor into a serial terminal.
But if you have a serial terminal attached (i.e., a WYSE 50, VT100, etc.),
and connect it to the serial port, you can "declare" it as the "console
device". Then error messages would be routed to the serial port rather
that the directly attached video adapter.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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