Linux-Hardware Digest #394, Volume #12            Fri, 3 Mar 00 10:13:10 EST

Contents:
  Re: internes Modem installieren?????????????? ("Steffen Jost")
  Ultra66 RH6.1 installs, but LILO hangs (John Noble)
  Re: Basic printer questions: HP 1100 ("Larry Ebbitt ")
  Two same card isdn gazel pci 753 BIG PROBLEM (laurentbrinon)
  Re: Unable to handle Kernel Paging request???? (Thomas Hommel)
  100MBit FX (fibre) card? (Christian Haul)
  Re: 4 Celeron motherboard? (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
  Re: Linux smp kernel UNSTABLE? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  PCMCIA setup on an Acer Travelmate 333T ("Jim Huan-Pu Kuo")
  Re: 3-button serial mouse (Alex Butcher)
  Re: Voodoo III, tv-out, xf86, modeline (Albert Ulmer)
  Comp.os.linux.hardware Q&A (by subject) ("K.Tsakaloglou")
  Re: Installing RedHat 6.1 w/ Mylex 1100 ExtremeRaid Controller  (Yan Seiner)
  Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system? ("Steve Snyder")
  Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system? (Robert Sand)
  Re: Teles ISDN PCI Karte / Linux
  Re: Teles ISDN PCI Karte / Linux
  Re: Problem with modem on linux (Tony Curtis)
  Re: internes Modem installieren?????????????? (Tony Curtis)
  Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system? (Rod Smith)

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From: "Steffen Jost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: internes Modem installieren??????????????
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:41:41 +0100

Hi!

kenne mich leider mit modems nicht so aus.....

aber: wenn es darum geht, linux zu sagen, das /dev/ttys0 dein modem ist,
einfach mal einen symbolischen link darauf machen.

ln -s /dev/modem /dev/ttys0

wenn es das gewesen sein sollte.....

Steffen



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From: John Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ultra66 RH6.1 installs, but LILO hangs
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 01:41:41 -0700


So I've made some progress with my Promise Ultra66 and RedHat 6.1.
I'm able to get the install done with the ide2=addr,adrr ide3=addr,addr
trick, but
then I run into trouble with LILO.  When I try to boot off the first
Ultra66 drive, LILO hangs at "LI".

I've got 2  Ultra66 drives on this system.  The first with Win98 and the
other specifically for Linux.  I put all my partitions on the second
drive (/boot, /, all of it) and then install LILO on the MBR of the
Win98 drive.  I've added the ide2=addr,addr ide3=addr,addr to the append
of the lilo.conf, but to no avail.  I have not installed and new
kernels/patches for Ultra66 support.  I figure I shouldn't have to just
to get LILO to boot the system right?
I'm pretty sure /boot is under the 1024 cylinder limit, but it's on a
different drive than where LILO is installed (LILO is on the MBR of the
win98 drive, /boot is on the other drive) should this matter?
I took the lilo.conf that the RH 6.1 installer created and tired adding
"linear" and "bios=0x80" to the global section, but that did not help.
If this is a disk geometry problem, how can I tell if it is and any
ideas how I would solve it?

Should I use another loader (maybe ChooseOs)?

Any clues here to any of this?

Thanks
pulling out my hair
-John



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From: "Larry Ebbitt " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:20:43 -0500 (EST)
Reply-To: "Larry Ebbitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Basic printer questions: HP 1100

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:30:22 GMT, Silver wrote:

>The OS's are not so dependent on the printers memory as they may have 
>been, as long as you are not printing color. Your doc goes to the queue 
>and gives the printer what it can handle as it's ready for it.  If you get 
>a 15+ ppm printer the extra memory helps it hit those marks, but in the 
>lower range it is the OS that does the job.

My Color 40 wouldn't do much with any pictures until I installed a 16M
SIMM.
If you don't care about that, the included 4M is adequate.  After 3 1/2
years
of getting lousy color from an HP855 I paid over $400 for, I'm having a
great
time getting good color from the Color 40 I paid $99 for plus the $40
SIMM.


Larry - Atlanta - IBM Global Services



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From: laurentbrinon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Two same card isdn gazel pci 753 BIG PROBLEM
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:30:10 GMT

hello, i have two same type of card isdn -> gazel pci 753 and i can't work
with two.
file:/proc/pci
one card -> irq 10
two card -> irq  9
and after the command :

modprobe hisax type=34,34 protocol=2,2 id=C1%C2

One card has succesfully installed on irq 10, and the last card is not
installed because : ressource busy on irq 10 !

Please you know this problem ?
thank you.

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From: Thomas Hommel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unable to handle Kernel Paging request????
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:47:55 +0100

Don�t know for sure, but perhaps you�re running out of memory. How much
RAM have you installed and how much swap space is available?
Try "cat /proc/meminfo" to get info about used memory.

Tom 

alvin schrieb:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know this message means???
> "Unable to handle kernel paging request at at virtual address 0001000...."
> 
> I've setup a new machine with RH6.1, there are no problem during
> installation. But after that, the error message come ot every day and make
> my machine crash... What happen???

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From: Christian Haul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: 100MBit FX (fibre) card?
Date: 3 Mar 2000 09:59:39 GMT

Hi.

I'd like to build up a router / filter with linux. Infrastructure
dictates 3 FX (fibre) ports and 1 TX (twisted pair) port. I'd like to
have some recommandations on network cards before spending > $1k on
them.

The local hardware dealers sell two different cards

    3com 905B-FX
    Allied Telesyn AT-2700 FX (AMD PCnet Fast+ chipset)

both cards are available as TX variants as well. I'd like to buy 4
cards from one family, e.g. 3x 905B-FX + 1x 905B-TX or 3x AT-2700FX +
1x AT-2700TX. 

Do the drivers support both FX and TX variants?
Do the drivers support 4 card instances?
What do you think about those cards?

As the AT-2700 costs about 20% less than the 905B I'm inclined to buy
from Allied Telesyn.

                Chris.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
Subject: Re: 4 Celeron motherboard?
Date: 03 Mar 2000 18:32:45 +0800

>>>>> "Atle" == Atle  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Atle> Personally, I would prefer to have 16x150Mhz Pentiums
    Atle> instead of one 700Mhz Athlon, because a multiprocessor
    Atle> system should be a lot more stable if done right.  One
    Atle> processor hangs and corrupts its kernel, 15 are still alive,
    Atle> and one of them restarts the dead one ...

This  is too  ideal.   The actual  senario  could be  as  bad as:  One
processor hangs and corrupts its  kernel.  This makes it become crazy,
so crazy  that it starts intervening the  other processors, corrupting
the  in-memory code  being executed  by other  processors.   The other
processors  become  crazy, too,  and  drives  the remaining  processor
crazy.

Remember how Win 3.1 did  multitasking?  Ideally, *if done right*, one
task hangs  and corrupts its own  data, but all other  tasks are still
alive and one of them can repair the problematic one.  But in reality,
whenever you  see a GPF, you're 90%  sure that you need  to reboot the
system, so that the remaining tasks  won't become crazy as a result of
having data/code corrupted by the offending task.


    Atle> named, inetd, all the *d programs evenly distributed between
    Atle> processors seems to even out the slowdown in a beter way
    Atle> than one single, but very powerful processor. I can't think
    Atle> of any mathematical reason why, at least not now, but I have
    Atle> tried more-than-4-processor systems, and the performance
    Atle> impact on starting one more task is almost not identifiable,
    Atle> whereas it can halve the performance on 1-processor systems
    Atle> ...

Not   necessarily.     Most   of   the   TCP/IP    daemons   are   not
computation-extensive.   They are all  I/O bound.   So, have  100 such
daemons *sleeping*  in the background  won't impact a  foreground GIMP
instance much (given that you have  enough spare RAM to be eaten up by
the daemons).




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux smp kernel UNSTABLE?
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:01:51 GMT


  3:00am  up 14 days,  5:24, 21 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.03

my system has been up 14 days, with no incident.  in fact, my system hasn't
crashed in months.  i run SMP:

Linux satan 2.2.14 #1 SMP Sat Jan 29 21:11:39 PST 2000 i686 unknown

and i run PGI, gcc too.

pete


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From: "Jim Huan-Pu Kuo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PCMCIA setup on an Acer Travelmate 333T
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:15:10 +1000

Hi

I am currently having trouble making my ARGOSY 32bit CardBus Ethernet card
to run on an Acer Travelmate 333T under linux (Mandrake 7.0).

I have followed the steps in PCMCIA-HOWTO, re-compilied the kernel and
pcmcia modules. From the output of lsmod, i can see the module "pcmcia_core"
is running, but when i try to telnet to another machine, it just responded
that the network is unreachable....

Am i missing something ? I am wondering if anyone who has got this working
could share his/her knowledge with me...

Thanks in advance!






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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Butcher)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 3-button serial mouse
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:21:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 00:58:24 +0000, tripix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alex Butcher wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:07:20 +0000, Herbert Fruchtl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>   wrote:
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >I bought a 3-button mouse for my Linux box (RH 6.1). With "mouseconfig"
>> >I get two buttons to work (iirc, it works as 'generic serial',
>> >'logitech' or 'microsoft'), but none of the drivers recognizes the third
>> >button.
>> >
>> >The mouse is a 'Primax Rainbow', and of course the description on the
>> >box only mentions DOS and Windows. Any ideas?
>> 
>> Try holding down one or more of the buttons on power-up and configure the
>> mouse as MouseSystems under gpm and X. That's how my el-cheapo Anubis
>> mouse worked.
>
>Emulate 3 buttons is a bodge for the time being (pressing 2 buttons at once 
>to get at the 3rd) for som eof your apps that need it.

You didn't read my post properly. I said at _power-up_. Some mice are dual
mode (usually Microsoft and MouseSystems) and default to 2-button Microsoft
mode UNLESS a mouse button is held during power-up. Once in MouseSystems mode,
they behave as proper, genuine, 3 button mice. A subset of these mice can
be flipped into 3 button MouseSystems mode from 2 button Microsoft mode
_after_ power up by toggling some of the modem control lines.

>Secondly read thorugh the 3-button-mouse HOWTO, and the manpage for XF86Setup.
>You may find a mouse config combination not possible from 'mouseconfig' 
>that is settable in XF86Setup.  
>
>You will also find more options, I think, never used anthing else much.

Best Regards,
Alex.
-- 
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Berkshire, UK  URLBLAST:slashdot.org:www.freshmeat.net:www.deja.com:lwn.net:
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From: Albert Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Voodoo III, tv-out, xf86, modeline
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:10:54 +0000

Young4ert wrote:
 
> Andreas Neukoetter wrote:
> > does anybody have the correct modeline for the
> > voodoo III 3500 and a
> > standard PAL TV ?
 
> What program are you using to make the Voodoo3 3500 to capture the
> movie?

Andreas was not talking about capturing from TV, he was instead talking
about outputting his SVGA-signal to a TV with XFree86.

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From: "K.Tsakaloglou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Comp.os.linux.hardware Q&A (by subject)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:51:18 +0200

Questions and answers from this newsgroup (archived by subject) can be found
at http://server.hellug.gr/LUGistics/en/pub/QA_articles_main.php3

Links suggested are categorized at
http://hq.hellug.gr/~tsakf

K.Tsakaloglou
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 6.1 w/ Mylex 1100 ExtremeRaid Controller 
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:43:12 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

There's also pretty good docs in the readme supplied with the driver
source.  It does address installing on the RAID.

--Yan

Cokey de Percin wrote:
> 
> Corwin Armstrong wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had experience installing RedHat Linux onto a drive connected
> > to a controller that is not listed in the controller options during the
> > install.  Is there any way to provide alternative drivers at install.
> > My install fails because RedHat can not access the drives without the
> > proper controller.
> >
> > I did find the proper driver but the instructions seem to assume that
> > you already have Linux up and running and that you are just adding
> > additional storage.
> 
> I've installed rh 6.1 on a AcceleRaid 250 with a 3 drive raid 5 setup
> and I had no problems.  I believe the 1100 uses the same driver.  Note
> that the DAC drivers is not SCSI, but block.  It's been a while, but
> I don't remember doing anything special except setting up the raid
> before installing and installing a small boot partion first.
> 
> Best
> 
> Cokey
> 
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system?
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:40:09 GMT

I will soon be setting up a couple of Linux systems with faily complex
partitioning schemes.  Naturally, I thought of PowerQuest's
PartitionMagic (PM), which I've never used but which is highly
regarded.

I know that PM supports the ext2 filesystem, but PowerQuest's Web site
also says that the software is shipped on a "Win32 CD".  How does one 
use PM on an all-Linux, no Win32 system?  Do/can you run it from a 
DOS-formatted boot diskette?

Any advice on using PM on an all-Linux system would be appreciated.

Thank you.


***** Steve Snyder *****




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From: Robert Sand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system?
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:25:44 -0600

Steve,

The PM product only runs in windows 95/98/NT.  It's nice if you have a system
with both Win and Linux but in your case you'll need to have a disk with win on
it in order to do the partitioning/resizing work that PM will let you do.

Steve Snyder wrote:
> 
> I will soon be setting up a couple of Linux systems with faily complex
> partitioning schemes.  Naturally, I thought of PowerQuest's
> PartitionMagic (PM), which I've never used but which is highly
> regarded.
> 
> I know that PM supports the ext2 filesystem, but PowerQuest's Web site
> also says that the software is shipped on a "Win32 CD".  How does one
> use PM on an all-Linux, no Win32 system?  Do/can you run it from a
> DOS-formatted boot diskette?
> 
> Any advice on using PM on an all-Linux system would be appreciated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> ***** Steve Snyder *****

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Teles ISDN PCI Karte / Linux
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:30:05 GMT


K.Fetscher wrote:
> 
> 
> I habe eine Teles PCI Karte unter Suse Linux 6.2 installiert. Der
> Hisax-Treiber kann die ISDN Karte nicht finden. Die nachfolgenden
> Parameter werden bei einem Dump auf dem PCI-Bus angezeigt.
> 
> 00:0b.0 Network controller: Tiger Jet Network Inc. 300
>  Subsystem: Unknown device 00a7:0001
>  Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
> Stepping- SERR-
> FastB2B-
>  Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR-
> <PERR-
>  Latency: 8 set
>  Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9
>  Region 0: I/O ports at 6300
>  Region 1: Memory at e4002000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
> 
> 00:0b.0 Class 0280: e159:0001
> 
> 00:0b.0 "Network controller" "Tiger Jet Network Inc." "300" "00a7"
> "00a7"
> 
> 00:0b.0 Network controller: Tiger Jet Network Inc. 300
> 00: 59 e1 01 00 07 00 00 02 00 00 80 02 00 08 00 00
> 10: 01 63 00 00 00 20 00 e4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 a7 00 01 00
> 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 01 00 00
> 
> Hat jemand eine Idee wo das Problem liegt.
> 
> Danke Klaus
> 

Hi Klaus,

selbes Problem habe ich auch gehabt! Unter yast/hardware/isdn netjet 
treiber benutzen ! Dann funktionierts ! Weitere Fragen gern an meine Mail

Michel Hawryluk

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Teles ISDN PCI Karte / Linux
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:30:06 GMT


K.Fetscher wrote:
> 
> 
> I habe eine Teles PCI Karte unter Suse Linux 6.2 installiert. Der
> Hisax-Treiber kann die ISDN Karte nicht finden. Die nachfolgenden
> Parameter werden bei einem Dump auf dem PCI-Bus angezeigt.
> 
> 00:0b.0 Network controller: Tiger Jet Network Inc. 300
>  Subsystem: Unknown device 00a7:0001
>  Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
> Stepping- SERR-
> FastB2B-
>  Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
> <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR-
> <PERR-
>  Latency: 8 set
>  Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9
>  Region 0: I/O ports at 6300
>  Region 1: Memory at e4002000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
> 
> 00:0b.0 Class 0280: e159:0001
> 
> 00:0b.0 "Network controller" "Tiger Jet Network Inc." "300" "00a7"
> "00a7"
> 
> 00:0b.0 Network controller: Tiger Jet Network Inc. 300
> 00: 59 e1 01 00 07 00 00 02 00 00 80 02 00 08 00 00
> 10: 01 63 00 00 00 20 00 e4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 a7 00 01 00
> 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 01 00 00
> 
> Hat jemand eine Idee wo das Problem liegt.
> 
> Danke Klaus
> 

Hallo Klaus,

hatte bis jetzt selbes Problem. L�sung: Unter yast, Isdn-Konfiguration den 
netjet-treiber benutzen und nicht die Teles. Bei mir hat das funktioniert.
f�r weitere Fragen stehe ich gerne zur Verf�gung.

Michel Hawryluk

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From: Tony Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with modem on linux
Date: 03 Mar 2000 08:52:14 +0000

Sibba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello everyone
> 
> the problem i am having is that i can not get linux to initilize the modem 
> to log on to the internet.  I know that it is com 1 (ttyS0 - linux). Also 
> when I used RH ppp I set it as ttyS1 and i can not remove it cause i get 
> an error with RH3, i can not remember the exact error message (I think it 
> was some segmentation fault with in RH3 - config.)  I have Red Hat linux 
> 6.1. It would be a great help to get this up so i can learn how to use 
> linux better. 

Sounds like you got yourself one of those danged
WinModems.  More info at

    http://www.linmodems.org/

There may be hope, but it depends on your hardware.

tony

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From: Tony Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: internes Modem installieren??????????????
Date: 03 Mar 2000 08:53:45 +0000

"Steffen Jost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> aber: wenn es darum geht, linux zu sagen, das /dev/ttys0 dein modem ist,
> einfach mal einen symbolischen link darauf machen.
> 
> ln -s /dev/modem /dev/ttys0

            ^^         ^^

umgekehrt, oder?   (other way round)

"internes Modem".  Hmm, konnte ein WinModem sein.
Wenn ja, siehe http://www.linmodems.org/

tony

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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:56:59 GMT

[Posted and mailed]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I will soon be setting up a couple of Linux systems with faily complex
> partitioning schemes.  Naturally, I thought of PowerQuest's
> PartitionMagic (PM), which I've never used but which is highly
> regarded.
> 
> I know that PM supports the ext2 filesystem, but PowerQuest's Web site
> also says that the software is shipped on a "Win32 CD".  How does one 
> use PM on an all-Linux, no Win32 system?  Do/can you run it from a 
> DOS-formatted boot diskette?

Yes, there's a DOS version of the program available. If you get a retail
package, there's a DOS disk image file (actually two or three files) you
can use to create disk images for use in situations like yours. Don't buy
through the web and download the CD image file, though; that lacks the
DOS image files for some reason, or did when I bought my upgrade that
way. The DOS version is lacking in some bells & whistles (like the
wizards), but it includes all the core functionality, including ext2fs
support.

-- 
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & WordPerfect for Linux

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