Linux-Hardware Digest #491, Volume #12 Thu, 16 Mar 00 13:13:10 EST
Contents:
X-Problems of a below NEWBIE (r miller)
Newbie Installation advice ("ChrisE")
Printing to HP4050N ("Nottingham Rob")
Re: X-Problems of a below NEWBIE (Roel Pompen)
Re: D-Link DFE-550TX Ethernet card...supported??? (Tony R. Bennett)
problem w/ LG CED-8080B CD-RW (Charles Panzarella)
Re: X-Problems of a below NEWBIE ("Warren B. Hapke")
Re: Linux sucks (Jim Cochrane)
Re: X-Problems of a below NEWBIE ("bobo")
Re: Newbie Installation advice ("Syntax")
Re: Linux sucks (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux sucks (Jim Cochrane)
Installation goes to sleep on BookPC/Intel 810 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: r miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: X-Problems of a below NEWBIE
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:12:10 GMT
Hi
I have RedHat Linux 6.1 installed but i have yet to see Gnome. My ATI
Rage128 RageFury 32mb RAM and my Viewsonic A70 are not recognized by X.
I ran xf86config as the Professor said and i still cannot startx. Can
someone with past similar problems post detailed instructions showing
me how to do it step by step.
I know i need to upgrade X but i am still at the command prompt.
BTW: Which clockchip do i select if any during Xsetup and what is it?
How do i copy files from a floppy drive to a directory on the hard
drive?
Thanks
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From: "ChrisE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Newbie Installation advice
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:15:10 -0000
I need to install linux on a 486 with 4 Mb Ram. Can anyone advise on which
distribution I should use, obviously Redhat and Mandrake are out of the
picture because of the need for 32Mb. I only need a minimal install - No X
etc.
Thanks in Advance
Chris
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From: "Nottingham Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Printing to HP4050N
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:36:53 -0000
I am trying to print to a HP4050N printer on our network but I am having
no success.
I have the following entry for the printer in my printcap file:
project|remote-hplj:\
:lp=/dev/null:\
:sh:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/project:\
:rm=E009-4050N\
:rp=raw:
E009-4050N is the IP resolvable name of the printer, I have also tried
the IP number with the same result.
If I send a job to the printer (ie try to print a Navigator page) I get
the following message:
lpr: connect: Connection refused
jobs queued, but cannot start daemon.
Can anyone help?
TIA
ROB
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From: Roel Pompen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: X-Problems of a below NEWBIE
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:25:19 +0100
r miller wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have RedHat Linux 6.1 installed but i have yet to see Gnome. My ATI
> Rage128 RageFury 32mb RAM and my Viewsonic A70 are not recognized by X.
> I ran xf86config as the Professor said and i still cannot startx. Can
> someone with past similar problems post detailed instructions showing
> me how to do it step by step.
>
> I know i need to upgrade X but i am still at the command prompt.
>
> BTW: Which clockchip do i select if any during Xsetup and what is it?
> How do i copy files from a floppy drive to a directory on the hard
> drive?
>
> Thanks
Hmmm, see if Xconfigurator is installed. I don't know if RH6.1 supports
your card, but if so Xconfigurator might be the better tool for you. If
Xconfigurator is not available you have to insert cd 1 and:
mount /mnt/cdrom
cd /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS
rpm -Uvh Xconfig<TAB-KEY> (for file completion)[ENTER]
you should see: #############################################
Then retry running Xconfigurator.
Hopefully this will help...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony R. Bennett)
Subject: Re: D-Link DFE-550TX Ethernet card...supported???
Date: 16 Mar 2000 08:45:39 -0800
FYI: D-Link has E-Mailed me the source and makefile to create a driver
for this card. Which I now have working.
Plaudits for their action.
Tony
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wuxin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The chip is:
>Sundance Technologies ST201 PCI fast ethernet NIC
>and I will say sorry that no driver validate now :-((
>
>
>"Tony R. Bennett" wrote:
>
>> I checked the HOWTO and it does not list this card as being
>> supported... But I see that there are quite a few 'clone'
>> NIC's... is this one???
>>
>> I 'came' with my Toshiba M500 Server... I could just buy another
>> NIC but not if it isn't necessary.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Tony
>> --
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From: Charles Panzarella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problem w/ LG CED-8080B CD-RW
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:13:19 -0500
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I just bought a custom-built Compaq Presario system (Athlon 600Mhz) with
an LG CED-8080B CD-RW drive and I am having problems getting it to work
with cdrecord 1.8 (rpm) under Linux RedHat 6.2beta. This is an
E-IDE/ATAPI drive, but i have removed ide-cd from my kernel and
installed all the scsi stuff including ide-scsi. I have also added the
line hdd=ide-scsi to lilo so that the drives are detected automatically
at boot time. This is all well and fine. Afterwards, I can even run
cdrecord -scanbus with the output:
Cdrecord 1.8 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J�rg Schilling
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) 'Compaq ' 'DVD-ROM DVD-114 ' '1.14' Removable
CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) 'LG ' 'CD-RW CED-8080B ' '1.07' Removable
CD-ROM
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) *
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
So the drives are there and detected by cdrecord. I can read from both
drives with no problems, and I have created an audio track with the name
audio_02.cdr in a temporary directory. However, when I go to write this
onto my CD-RW with the command (I also used blank=fast when using CD-RW
media with no significant change in the error):
cdrecord -v -speed 2 dev=0,1,0 -audio audio_02.cdr
I get the following output:
--- BEGIN OUTPUT ---
Cdrecord 1.8 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J�rg Schilling
TOC Type: 0 = CD-DA
scsidev: '0,1,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 0
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
atapi: 1
Device type : Removable CD-ROM
Version : 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info : 'LG '
Identifikation : 'CD-RW CED-8080B '
Revision : '1.07'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : SWABAUDIO
Drive buf size : 1024000 = 1000 KB
FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: audio 36 MB (03:39.80) no preemp swab
Total size: 36 MB (03:39.80) = 16485 sectors
Lout start: 37 MB (03:41/60) = 16485 sectors
Current Secsize: -1
ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 6
Reference speed: 2
Is not unrestricted
Is erasable
ATIP start of lead in: -11078 (97:34/22)
ATIP start of lead out: 336075 (74:43/00)
speed low: 0 speed high: 4
power mult factor: 3 5
recommended erase/write power: 3
A2 values: 00 00 00
Disk type: phase change
Manuf. index: 11
Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation
Blocks total: 336075 Blocks current: 336075 Blocks remaining: 319590
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in write mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01: 0 of 36 MB written.cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1:
scsi sendcmd: retryable error
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
CDB: 2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D 00
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 64 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x64 Qual 0x00 (illegal mode for this track) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s
write track data: error after 0 bytes
Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Writing time: 5.021s
Fixating...
cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd:
retryable error
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 2C 04 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x2C Qual 0x04 (current program area is empty) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 480s
Fixating time: 0.002s
cdrecord: fifo had 128 puts and 1 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%.
--- END OUTPUT ---
It seems to be communicating with the drive ok up to the write_g1
command which fails at byte 0, so something real bad is going on. The
error message appears to be that this is an "illegal mode for this
track". Can anyone tell me what is going wrong and how I might go about
fixing it. Thanks in advance. I am determined to get this piece of
harware working. It seems so close.
As an aside, the kernel version that comes with RH6.2b is called 2.2.15,
but how can this be since the latest released stable kernel version is
2.2.14. Is this a pre-release development version renamed to 2.2.15?
Chuck
--
Dr. Charles H. Panzarella, Senior Research Associate
Ohio Aerospace Institute @ NASA Glenn Research Center
Cleveland, Ohio 44135
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I just bought a custom-built Compaq Presario system (Athlon 600Mhz)
with an LG CED-8080B CD-RW drive and I am having problems getting
it to work with cdrecord 1.8 (rpm) under Linux RedHat 6.2beta. This is
an E-IDE/ATAPI drive, but i have removed ide-cd from my kernel and installed
all the scsi stuff including ide-scsi. I have also added the line
hdd=ide-scsi to lilo so that the drives are detected automatically at boot
time. This is all well and fine. Afterwards, I can even run cdrecord
-scanbus with the output:
<p>Cdrecord 1.8 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg Schilling
<br>Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
<br>scsibus0:
<br> 0,0,0
0) 'Compaq ' 'DVD-ROM DVD-114 ' '1.14' Removable CD-ROM
<br> 0,1,0
1) 'LG ' 'CD-RW CED-8080B ' '1.07' Removable
CD-ROM
<br> 0,2,0
2) *
<br> 0,3,0
3) *
<br> 0,4,0
4) *
<br> 0,5,0
5) *
<br> 0,6,0
6) *
<br> 0,7,0
7) *
<p>So the drives are there and detected by cdrecord. I can read from
both drives with no problems, and I have created an audio track with
the name audio_02.cdr in a temporary directory. However, when I go
to write this onto my CD-RW with the command (I also used blank=fast
when using CD-RW media with no significant change in the error):
<p>cdrecord -v -speed 2 dev=0,1,0 -audio audio_02.cdr
<p>I get the following output:
<p>--- BEGIN OUTPUT ---
<br>Cdrecord 1.8 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg
Schilling
<br>TOC Type: 0 = CD-DA
<br>scsidev: '0,1,0'
<br>scsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 0
<br>Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
<br>atapi: 1
<br>Device type : Removable CD-ROM
<br>Version : 0
<br>Response Format: 1
<br>Vendor_info : 'LG '
<br>Identifikation : 'CD-RW CED-8080B '
<br>Revision : '1.07'
<br>Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
<br>Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
<br>Driver flags : SWABAUDIO
<br>Drive buf size : 1024000 = 1000 KB
<br>FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
<br>Track 01: audio 36 MB (03:39.80) no preemp swab
<br>Total size: 36 MB (03:39.80) = 16485
sectors
<br>Lout start: 37 MB (03:41/60) = 16485
sectors
<br>Current Secsize: -1
<br>ATIP info from disk:
<br> Indicated writing power: 6
<br> Reference speed: 2
<br> Is not unrestricted
<br> Is erasable
<br> ATIP start of lead in: -11078 (97:34/22)
<br> ATIP start of lead out: 336075 (74:43/00)
<br> speed low: 0 speed high: 4
<br> power mult factor: 3 5
<br> recommended erase/write power: 3
<br> A2 values: 00 00 00
<br>Disk type: phase change
<br>Manuf. index: 11
<br>Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation
<br>Blocks total: 336075 Blocks current: 336075 Blocks remaining: 319590
<br>Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in write mode for single session.
<br>Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds.
<br>Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
<br>Starting new track at sector: 0
<br>Track 01: 0 of 36 MB written.cdrecord: Input/output
error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
<br>status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
<br>CDB: 2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D 00
<br>Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 64 00 00 00
<br>Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
<br>Sense Code: 0x64 Qual 0x00 (illegal mode for this track) Fru 0x0
<br>Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
<br>cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s
<p>write track data: error after 0 bytes
<br>Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
<br>Writing time: 5.021s
<br>Fixating...
<br>cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: retryable
error
<br>status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
<br>CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
<br>Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 2C 04 00 00
<br>Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
<br>Sense Code: 0x2C Qual 0x04 (current program area is empty) Fru 0x0
<br>Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
<br>cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 480s
<br>Fixating time: 0.002s
<br>cdrecord: fifo had 128 puts and 1 gets.
<br>cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%.
<p>--- END OUTPUT ---
<p>It seems to be communicating with the drive ok up to the write_g1 command
which fails at byte 0, so something real bad is going on. The error message
appears to be that this is an "illegal mode for this track". Can anyone
tell me what is going wrong and how I might go about fixing it. Thanks
in advance. I am determined to get this piece of harware working.
It seems so close.
<p>As an aside, the kernel version that comes with RH6.2b is called 2.2.15,
but how can this be since the latest released stable kernel version is
2.2.14. Is this a pre-release development version renamed to 2.2.15?
<p>Chuck
<pre>--
Dr. Charles H. Panzarella, Senior Research Associate
Ohio Aerospace Institute @ NASA Glenn Research Center
Cleveland, Ohio 44135</pre>
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From: "Warren B. Hapke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Problems of a below NEWBIE
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:13:08 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware r miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have RedHat Linux 6.1 installed but i have yet to see Gnome. My ATI
: Rage128 RageFury 32mb RAM and my Viewsonic A70 are not recognized by X.
: I ran xf86config as the Professor said and i still cannot startx. Can
: someone with past similar problems post detailed instructions showing
: me how to do it step by step.
: I know i need to upgrade X but i am still at the command prompt.
You need XFree86 3.3.6 or later. You can get this at
http://www.xfree86.org/. I don't think Red Hat has released RPMs
for the XFree86 3.3.6 for 6.1, but I may be mistaken.
Red Hat lists an X server available from Precision
Insight (http://www.precisioninsight.com/pub/precisio/XFCom),
but the Precion Insight web site say that there are currently no XBF or
XFCom X servers available. You might find something on the SuSE
web site (http:/www.suse.com).
the file to r
For your Viewsonic A70 monitor, all you need are the horizontal
and vertical sync rates, which come with monitor documentation.
Warren B. Hapke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Linux sucks
Date: 16 Mar 2000 10:13:40 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Linux is just horrid. Command line
>> applications should either give some basic help and an example when executed. It
>also
>> wouldn't hurt to say what the thing does. I barely remember actually learning DOS.
> I
>> figured out the dir and cd commands, and got a quick intro to command line
>instructions
>> from pkzip, and the rest was a cinch. Linux just has too many commands named after
>> cartoon chariacters to just jump into.
>>
>
>Well because nobody's getting paid to write the docs... they tend to be
>sketchy. I'm on my first install and have got up and running without too
>many problems, but then I haven't got my modem or X-Windows working
>first. Figured I'd get commandline stuff going, find out about the
>directory structures, and read all the docs I can find before I go
>further.
The distro. vendors and some of the key Linux folks ought to get together
and plan and implement a project to produce some good, thorough
documentation for Linux. Since they would all be sharing the cost, they
would all benefit equally from this effort. Linux would become easier to
use and thus more popular - Linux users would benefit, and the vendors
would benefit because the market would increase.
>
>I agree though, the documentation isn't great. But if you read a lot of
>it, bit by bit, and don't try to do everything at once, you have a
>rewarding experience and a stable system in the end. Stable, of course, as
>long as you don't want all your windows multimedia devices to work etc. At
>the end of the day UNIX, MIMIX and then LINUX are all made for a specific
>purpose: stable servers to run dumb clients, or Internet
>applications. I've never seen major problems with sendmail, apache, etc -
>just "My 3D card doesn't work" etc etc... who cares? That's not
>necessarily what linux is about. You choose your OS dependent on what you
>need it for. If you want great sound & video, easy setup, non-critical
>applications platform - got right ahead for Windows.
It seems there's a good business opportunity for companies and individuals
to provide online support for Linux users who need help configuring/setting
up their systems. In many cases, a user would be able to get as far as
connecting to the internet, which would allow a Linux expert to configure
the user's system via the internet connection rather than needing to do it
on-site. I know there are companies providing Linux support, but my
impression is that it's still not easy for an individual user to get this
kind of support for a reasonable fee.
>
>I'm pretty amazed Linux supports as much as it does.
>
>p.s. I only read comp.os.linux.hardware so flame away anywhere else :-)
>
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From: "bobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: X-Problems of a below NEWBIE
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:14:48 GMT
Your card is recognized, because I have ragefury 128. with 8mb, you need
XFree??-Mach64.???
to get it to work, use XFree??-vga.???? for Xconfigurator. Once you install
XFree??-vga.???? then run Xconfigurator, now for monitor, I use Mag XJ700T.
Xconfigurator will pick default values, change them because your monitor
might
not support that mode. Pick 1024x768 and 16bb and then work up to the
setting you want.
Before I had Aopen video card, and it would not work, so I changed the video
card and worked fine. Like I said, I needed Mach64.
hope this helps.
nick.b
"r miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi
>
> I have RedHat Linux 6.1 installed but i have yet to see Gnome. My ATI
> Rage128 RageFury 32mb RAM and my Viewsonic A70 are not recognized by X.
> I ran xf86config as the Professor said and i still cannot startx. Can
> someone with past similar problems post detailed instructions showing
> me how to do it step by step.
>
> I know i need to upgrade X but i am still at the command prompt.
>
> BTW: Which clockchip do i select if any during Xsetup and what is it?
> How do i copy files from a floppy drive to a directory on the hard
> drive?
>
> Thanks
>
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From: "Syntax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Newbie Installation advice
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:19:01 GMT
Redhat will work on a 486 with 8 megs, because i tested it myself, don't
always listen to what some of those prereqs are...32mb is really needed if
you put X on, put you are not doing that so go ahead and install red hat.
-Lucas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ChrisE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ar1e6$i9q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I need to install linux on a 486 with 4 Mb Ram. Can anyone advise on which
> distribution I should use, obviously Redhat and Mandrake are out of the
> picture because of the need for 32Mb. I only need a minimal install - No X
> etc.
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Chris
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Linux sucks
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:33:04 GMT
On 16 Mar 2000 10:13:40 -0700, Jim Cochrane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Linux is just horrid. Command line
>>> applications should either give some basic help and an example when executed. It
>also
>>> wouldn't hurt to say what the thing does. I barely remember actually learning
>DOS. I
>>> figured out the dir and cd commands, and got a quick intro to command line
>instructions
>>> from pkzip, and the rest was a cinch. Linux just has too many commands named after
>>> cartoon chariacters to just jump into.
>>>
>>
>>Well because nobody's getting paid to write the docs... they tend to be
>>sketchy. I'm on my first install and have got up and running without too
>>many problems, but then I haven't got my modem or X-Windows working
>>first. Figured I'd get commandline stuff going, find out about the
>>directory structures, and read all the docs I can find before I go
>>further.
Actually this doesn't seem to be the case. In key problem
areas multiple informal documents seem to creep up like
weeds. PPP is one example of this. The recent batch of
docu-whiners seem to be dominated by those unwilling to
read the docs, unwilling to acknowledge they are using
something not Windows and thus need to adapt somewhat,
and those that are short on basic abstract knowledge.
>
>The distro. vendors and some of the key Linux folks ought to get together
>and plan and implement a project to produce some good, thorough
...sounds suspiciously like the Linux documentation project,
and somewhat like the rows of books you can find at places
like Border's and Barne's and Noble's.
>documentation for Linux. Since they would all be sharing the cost, they
>would all benefit equally from this effort. Linux would become easier to
>use and thus more popular - Linux users would benefit, and the vendors
>would benefit because the market would increase.
[deletia]
>It seems there's a good business opportunity for companies and individuals
>to provide online support for Linux users who need help configuring/setting
>up their systems. In many cases, a user would be able to get as far as
In the case of "My 3D card doesn't work" that's more a function
of the current state of hardware support than the difficulty
of the system.
[deletia]
A Voodoo3 is fully supportable in terms of installation with
just a few rpms primarily because it's a more mature driver
than what is available for the ATI's, Matroxes or Nvidias.
--
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Resistance is not futile. / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Linux sucks
Date: 16 Mar 2000 10:47:50 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 16 Mar 2000 10:13:40 -0700, Jim Cochrane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> ...
>
>>
>>The distro. vendors and some of the key Linux folks ought to get together
>>and plan and implement a project to produce some good, thorough
>
> ...sounds suspiciously like the Linux documentation project,
> and somewhat like the rows of books you can find at places
> like Border's and Barne's and Noble's.
Then I think they need to work more on the quality of the documentation.
I think non-experts often struggle because information they need to
accomplish a task is dispersed among several different documents, and the
available documentation is often not thorough enough for someone who is not
very familiar with the issues involved in the task he is trying to
accomplish. Also, quality documentation should be included with the
distribution, so that the user does not need to buy a book.
--
Jim Cochrane
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Installation goes to sleep on BookPC/Intel 810
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:37:50 GMT
I have a Book PC with
* Intel 810 Chipset
* Mainboard w/2 USB
* 3D AGP Video on board w/TV out
* 3 1/2" Floppy Drive
* 52X CD-ROM Drive
* 32bit PCI 3D Sound
* 56K V.90 Fax Modem On Board
* 10/100 Fast Ethernet board
* PS2 Keyboard and
* PS2 Mouse Celeron
* IntelCPU 400 MHz 64MB
* PC 100 SDRAM
* 6.4GB Fujitsu/Samsung
* Compaq V 50 Monitor
While installing the RedHat Linux 6.1, the installation proceeds upto
when the package start getting installed, but after about 5-15 minutes
(varies), the whole system goes to a sleep mode and nothing happens.
Then I am not able to power off, I am not able to take the CD out.
Everything is locked. I pull the power cord off. I put the power cord
back. I switch on the PC. The power comes on. But after that the system
is locked as before - I cannot switch off the power button, I cannot
pull off the CD and I am not able to anything at all. After I keep the
power cord off for about a day or so, I can start the system but then I
end up in the same state again.
Regards
S.Ramaswamy
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