Linux-Hardware Digest #3, Volume #13 Thu, 8 Jun 00 03:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Heads, et al...Confused in NF, Canada...*smile* (Richard L. Gabriel)
Re: CD-RW only in simple DMA-Mode? How-to.... (Jem Berkes)
Re: Delaying eth0 initialization (David Steuber)
Re: hardware recommendations for athlon system (Torsten Evers)
PCI sound cards (Munge)
Re: Win2000 Nt Booter and Linux ("Tim R.")
Athlon recomendations (Christopher Segot)
Re: modules on separate /usr - can't initialize from loadlin (Yuri Oskotsky)
Re: Athlon recomendations ("michael ottaway")
Re: hardware recommendations for athlon system ("michael ottaway")
Re: rockwell/conexant modem drivers (Jeff East)
Re: Athlon recomendations (faste)
Re: Large Drive Problems (Sven Bovin)
Re: Athlon recomendations (John in SD)
Hauppauge WinTV DVB ("Thomas Hartmann")
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From: **gabriel**@twave.net (Richard L. Gabriel)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware.homedesigned,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Heads, et al...Confused in NF, Canada...*smile*
Reply-To: **gabriel**@twave.net
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 00:12:36 GMT
On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:36:05 -0230, Hendrix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>Until recently, I understood two meanings of the word "head" in
>conjunction with a hard drive... One understanding of mine was that the
>word "head" referred to the read/write head that is used to read/write
>data from a particular side of a platter. Another understanding I had
>was that a single side of a platter was referred to as a head. Thus, a
>hard drive with 4 platters would have 8 heads (ex: 4 platters x 2
>sides/platter = 8). Whether you're counting read/write heads, or sides
>of a platter, you will still come up with 8 heads...
>
>Does this sound right...??? It sounds right to me...EXCEPT...I have a
>hard drive here that I know has only 2 platters, but yet it is rated as
>having 16 heads... It is a 2.57GB Fujitsu that is rated as having a
>geometry of 4982Cyl 16Hds 63Sec/Trk....!!! And if my previous
>calculations are correct, the head count would yield 8 platters...
>
>Also, I have another misunderstanding regarding this calculating
>procedure... For instance, if the number of cylinders on a drive is
>equal to the number of tracks on each side of a platter then (Cylinders
>x (Number of Sides) would equal the number of tracks that are on the
>disk... Now, if I have the number of tracks on a disk, then all I would
>have to do to calculate the size of the drive would be to take the
>sectors/track information, multiple it by 512, and then multiple it
>again by the number of tracks on the disk... Logically this should
>yield the amount of space on the drive. But it doesn't...
>
>Consider the following:
>(Fujitsu 2.57GB with 2 platters)
>
>C=4982 H=16 S=63 BPS=512
>SizeOfDrive = C x H x S x BPS
> = 4982 x 16 x 63 x 512
> = 2571190272
>
>This is correct... But consider the following (which would logically be
>the same):
>(Still using the 2.57GB Fujitsu with 2 platters)
>
>C=4982 H=16 S=63 BPS=512
>NumberOfTracks = C x NumberOfPlatters x 2 (There are 2 sides to every
>platter)
> = 4982 x 4
> = 19928
>SizeOfDrive = NumberOfTracks x S x BPS
> = 19928 x 63 x 512
> = 642797568
>
>So my question is... Why are these calculations coming out differently
>if their respective meanings and translations are the same
>throughout... The only thing I can think of is that I am
>misunderstanding the meaning of a head... If a head is supposed to
>represent a platter surface, or a magnetic reading and writing device,
>then there is no way in hades that there are 16 heads on a 2 platter
>drive...*smile*^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Thanks for reading guys... I look forward to reading your comments...
>
>Sincerely,
>Confused in Canada......
>--
>Trevor Penney,
>A+, Network+ Certified
Hi Trevor,
You may be overlooking the possibility that your HD mated with a HYDRA
(the nine headed serpent slain by Hercules: when any one of it's heads
was cut off, it was replaced by two others :-) ).
On a more serious note, the number magic that is used to keep the
number of cylinders below 1024 is discussed in a number of tomes. One
of the better ones (by Andries Brouwer nl) in on the www.linux.org
site:
www.linux.org/help/ldp/mini/Large-Disk.html#tocl4 (hope I didn't
make a typo)
Have fun, Richard
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From: Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.windows98,de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware,microsoft.public.win98.performance
Subject: Re: CD-RW only in simple DMA-Mode? How-to....
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:55:31 -0500
Steve Preston wrote:
>
> What "Dances with Crows" said is correct in my opinion. My HP-8101I CD-RW
> will NOT run with UDMA enabled in my bios or under system settings in
> WIN98SE.
Same here. My HP 8200i has problems in UDMA mode (can not write multiple
sessions), under Windows NT.
==========
PC Tools and Utilities
http://www.PC-Tools.Net/
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Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Delaying eth0 initialization
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 01:00:01 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hugh Lawson) writes:
' Try a www.deja.com search on this card. I made a trial effort and found
' several references, but they are over my head.
Try using a step ladder. That often works.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: Torsten Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hardware recommendations for athlon system
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:06:14 +0200
Reply-To: Torsten Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dances With Crows wrote:
>
> On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:54:04 -0400, Leon Hall Jr
> <<use%4.29582$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> shouted forth into the ether:
> > i'm in the process of building a dual boot athlon system. does anybody have
> >any recommendations for an athlon motherboard, modem and a video card?
> > i'm considerring using a matrox g400 tv 32MB dual head card, but not sure
> >how well, if at all, this will work in linux
>
> Matrox cards have excellent support in Linux. No worries with standard
> 2D VGA out, and 3D support is progressing--next Xfree4.0.1 release
> is scheduled to have OpenGL for the Matrox G400 built right in AFAIK. The
> TV-tuner part may be a bit more difficult.
And also the GLX module does its job well. No problem playing e.g. quake
III with adequate speed.
Concerning the motherboard, I use the MSI K7PRO with 1 ISA,6 PCI and one
2x AGP. It uses the AMD Irongate C-Revision. Sure, there are even faster
boards around with the VIA chipset but if you want a rocksolid board I
can recommend it as a good solution for the money. The fan and
temperature sensors can be read with lm_sensors and it has POST leds
which help you in finding an error with your system.
>
> > also, i'm not sure about which modem to get, i found one for $40 +
> >shipping, but it's ISA, so should i just get a strictly PCI motherboard and
> >use an external modem?
>
> External modems are *much* easier to set up, and you can find them for
> about $50 US. If you wish to go external, I think you'll be a bit happier
> in the short run. In the long run, you'll probably be getting DSL/cable
> modem, which will require an Ethernet card anyway.
Sorry, I can't comment on that because I live in germany and use ISDN.
Bye,
Torsten
--
Torsten Evers Tel.: ++49-39322-9015
EBH-interdata GbR Fax : ++49-39322-9016
August-Bebel-Str. 6 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
D-39590 Tangermuende
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From: Munge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PCI sound cards
Date: 8 Jun 2000 02:25:40 GMT
Can anyone recommend a supported PCI soundcard for Linux ?
Preferably an inexpensive model, I'd use ISA but I've run
out of ISA slots.
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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:47:25 -0500
From: "Tim R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Win2000 Nt Booter and Linux
Zbigniew Sienkiewicz wrote:
> Sure. Just copy a boot sector to NT and modify boot.ini to point to it.
but i don't have a boot sector.
how i boot now is with a floppy that i basicly cp bzImage /dev/fd0
or else i use loadlin from my win95's dos
but i recently installed nt 4 server and would like to either use its
bootloader to boot linux, or else figure out how to use lilo to boot nt, win95,
and linux
--Tim
>
> To copy a boot sector:
> dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/linux.bst bs=512 count=1
> where /dev/hda3 is your Linux partition and linux.bst is a name of the file
> you're creating.
> To modify boot.ini add following line to it (after copying linux.bst to NT):
> C:\linux.bst="Linux"
> Hope it helps.
> Zbigniew
>
> Tim R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I read something similor to this in a howto.
> > I personally don't use lilo though, is there a way to get nt's bootloader
> > to boot a kernel image?
> >
> > --tim
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > That is really slick Jim. Thanks for posting!
> > >
> > > John.
> > >
> > > In article <v2LU4.2120$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Has Anyone successfully used the NT booter to boot into linux??
> > > And can
> > > > > anyone help me out, besides referring to the HOW-TO??
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in Advance!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes. I use it every day.
> > > >
> > > > I would install NT.
> > > > I would then install Linux. In doing so I would install LILO into the
> > > > beginning of root partition, NOT into the MBR (that's where OS Loader
> > > > lives).
> > > >
> > > > I would then download Bootpart.
> > > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvollant/bootpart.htm
> > > > Install/Uncompress.
> > > > Tell Bootpart where the Linux partition you want to boot is. It will
> > > steal
> > > > the LILO bootsect.
> > > > You will take that bootsector BootPart generates in put it in your OS
> > > Loader
> > > > configuration file (i.e. often c:\boot.ini)
> > > >
> > > > So typing Bootpart I get
> > > >
> > > > Boot Partition 2.20 for WinNT (c) 1995-98 G. Vollant
> > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > > WEB : http://www.winimage.com and http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm
> > > > Add partition in the Windows NT Multi-boot loader
> > > > Run "bootpart /?" for more information
> > > >
> > > > 0 : C:* type=6 (BIGDOS Fat16), size = 1534176 KB
> > > > 1 : C: type=f (Win95 XInt 13 extended), size = 18474750 KB
> > > > 2 : C: type=6 (BIGDOS Fat16), size = 2048256 KB
> > > > 3 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 2048287 KB
> > > > 4 : C: type=6 (BIGDOS Fat16), size = 2048256 KB
> > > > 5 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 16065 KB
> > > > 6 : C: type=83 (Linux native), size = 16033 KB
> > > > 7 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 16065 KB
> > > > 8 : C: type=83 (Linux native), size = 16033 KB
> > > > 9 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 16065 KB
> > > > 10 : C: type=83 (Linux native), size = 16033 KB
> > > > 11 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 4731142 KB
> > > > 12 : C: type=83 (Linux native), size = 4731111 KB
> > > > 13 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 4731142 KB
> > > > 14 : C: type=83 (Linux native), size = 4731111 KB
> > > > 15 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 4731142 KB
> > > > 16 : C: type=b (Win95 Fat32), size = 4731111 KB
> > > > 17 : C: type=5 (Extended), size = 136552 KB
> > > > 18 : C: type=82 (Linux swap), size = 136521 KB
> > > >
> > > > I know a million OSes I know.
> > > > So, the partition I have RedHat on is 12. I know since I did the
> > > install
> > > > right? I notice these things.
> > > >
> > > > So the syntax of Bootpart is
> > > > BOOTPART <part_number> <filename>
> > > >
> > > > I just made up a name for the file but it's not that important other
> > > than it
> > > > being 8.3 filename format.
> > > > I use bootsect.lnx
> > > >
> > > > So I would type
> > > > bootpart 12 bootsect.lnx
> > > >
> > > > Copy that file bootsect.lnx to where boot.ini is (likely c:\)
> > > >
> > > > Then add an entry.
> > > >
> > > > My c:\boot.ini file
> > > >
> > > > [boot loader]
> > > > timeout=03
> > > > default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT
> > > > [operating systems]
> > > > multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation
> > > Version
> > > > 4.00"
> > > > multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Windows NT Workstation
> > > Version
> > > > 4.00 [VGA mode]" /basevideo /sos
> > > > C:\="Microsoft Windows"
> > > >
> > > > c:\bootsect.lnx=" RedHat Linux 6.2"
> > > >
> > > > You can see I have NT, Windows, and Linux as an option.
> > > >
> > > > Notes:
> > > > The Windows 2000 and NT bootloaders seem to be the same.
> > > > Bootpart can do other things too but that's for another time.
> > > > I guess your bootsect.lnx could be located in other places but I keep
> > > all
> > > > mine together on C:
> > > > You don't need the crazy NT stuff in boot.ini for booting Linux, just
> > > you
> > > > know the bootsector name and label name to display just like
> > > dos/windows
> > > > would do.
> > > > There is a linux way of extracting the linux bootsector for nt
> > > loader, but
> > > > you would need a working linux first and bootpart seems easier
> > > somehow.
> > > > You should look for a type=83 partition to tell bootpart to use.
> > > > This procedure isn't as hard as all of this email/text would
> > > suggest. It
> > > > takes a second to do this when you know how.
> > > > You can have many Linux installations booted by OS Loader. Just keep
> > > using
> > > > different partitions/names.
> > > >
> > > > A simplier example of running bootpart might be with just NT and Linux
> > > > installed
> > > > 0 : C:* type=6 (BIGDOS Fat16), size = 5534176 KB
> > > > 5 : C: type=83 (Linux native), size =2731111 KB
> > > > 6 : C: type=82 (Linux swap), size = 136521 KB
> > > > Of course you would want bootpart 5 bootsect.lnx
> > > >
> > > > Jim Ross
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> >
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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 05:01:13 +0000
From: Christopher Segot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Athlon recomendations
Hello, I am about to upgrade my system, I am considering an athlon with
redhat, however on their hcl they say that the athlon may not work
depending on the system config. Can anybody recomend a good
mboard,cpu,hd combo ?
thanks alot.
Chris
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From: Yuri Oskotsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modules on separate /usr - can't initialize from loadlin
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:03:32 -0700
Sorry for the rushed post, I have already figured this one out: autoboot
folder contains kernel 2.2.5, but the kernel installed at installation
time is 2.2.19. And therefore dependencies were not established. I
replaced the kernel on the boot floppy and the problem went away. BTW,
/lib is on /, not on /usr, of course.
phooi!
YO
Andrey Vlasov wrote:
> Hi Yuri,
>
> what distro do you have? In my case modules located in
> /lib/modules/{kernel version}/ - (RedHat).
> Are you sure that it located there?
>
> Andrey
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From: "michael ottaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Athlon recomendations
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:10:32 -0500
Hi
I have an Athlon 750 on an EPOX board with a Western Digital IDE
hardrive 9.1gigs. I have a maxtor IDE drive 10.3gigs as hdb with my mp3's
and for backup. I use Caldera and Slackware. All is fine knock on wood.
(knock knock:)
Michael
Christopher Segot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello, I am about to upgrade my system, I am considering an athlon with
> redhat, however on their hcl they say that the athlon may not work
> depending on the system config. Can anybody recomend a good
> mboard,cpu,hd combo ?
> thanks alot.
>
>
> Chris
>
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From: "michael ottaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hardware recommendations for athlon system
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:15:55 -0500
Hi
I have a Matrox G400 single head 32mb card and I use an EPOX board with
my Athlon. I have used Epox for quiet some time and have never had a problem
out of them though I am sure the others are great too. External modem are
the way to go.
Michael
Leon Hall Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:use%4.29582$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> i'm in the process of building a dual boot athlon system. does anybody
have
> any recommendations for an athlon motherboard, modem and a video card?
> i'm considerring using a matrox g400 tv 32MB dual head card, but not sure
> how well, if at all, this will work in linux
> also, i'm not sure about which modem to get, i found one for $40 +
> shipping, but it's ISA, so should i just get a strictly PCI motherboard
and
> use an external modem?
>
> any info would be greatly appreciated, thanx
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff East)
Subject: Re: rockwell/conexant modem drivers
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:58:49 -0400
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, azmin wrote:
] i've the the same problem.As long as i know our conexant chipset is not a
] linmodem but winmodem ..
I have an ISA modem, Aopen 56K (model ITU, I think). It has
"Rockwell" somewhere on it, is a conexant type (plugged into my sb128),
and is a plain modem far as I can tell. I use the normal /dev/ttyS2
device, and all is peachy.
Just to let you know such a beast does exist.
__________________________________________________________________________
"You know the old story: girl meets boy, girl modifies boy's subroutines."
- Captain Janeway, speaking of an Irish barkeep
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (faste)
Subject: Re: Athlon recomendations
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:09:37 GMT
Total nonsense. Intel is a big investor in Redhat. Enough said.
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 05:01:13 +0000, Christopher Segot
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello, I am about to upgrade my system, I am considering an athlon with
>redhat, however on their hcl they say that the athlon may not work
>depending on the system config. Can anybody recomend a good
>mboard,cpu,hd combo ?
>thanks alot.
>
>
>Chris
>
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From: Sven Bovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Large Drive Problems
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:10:39 +0200
Paul Sherblom wrote:
>
> Brian wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>I am having a problem using an IDE Maxtor 20Gb drive in a
> >> Dell Optiplex GX1 under SuSE Linux 6.4. The problem is, Linux will
> > > not see more than 8Gigs.
> > > I have tried many combinations, called Maxtor and Dell, but to no
> > > avail. I have tried installing without the MaxBlast software's
> > > BIOS
> > > flash, but failed. I tried using loadlin after the BIOS flash,
> > > linux
> > > was able to see the 20 GIG's but I got a write error on install. I > > > have
> > > tried so many combinations, but none of them worked. I even tried > > > using
> > > another controller, but it seems the ones I found are only
> > > guaranteed
> > > to work with Win98/NT/2K.
> > > If anyone has figured out a solution or has a suggestion to fix
> > > this
> > > probloem, please help.
> >
> > My system is very different from yours, but I do have a 20G drive,
> > so
> > perhaps the principle is the same: the boot loader insists that the
> > boot partition fit within the first 1024 cylinders.
> >
> > The latest version of LILO doesn't have this limitation. Not much
> > help if you haven't already installed and your installation has an
> > earlier version (or if you don't want to use LILO but I can't help
> > in
> > that case). But if you can boot Linux from floppy and then build
> > the
> > new lilo, you're up. (I had no (well, few:-) problems doing this
> > with
> > Mandrake 7.0.)
> >
> > Alternatively, if possible, create a small (circa 5MB) boot
> > partition
> > at or near the front of your disk, and put all the boot stuff there.
> > Or if, like me, the front of your disk is Windoze, it's possible
> > (once Linux is up - by boot floppy, say) to copy the boot directory
> > contents to a directory in DOS-land, and configure lilo to boot from
> > that.
> >
> > In any case, I recommend a good rummage through the lilo README, and
> > of the LargeDisk-HOWTO.
> >
> > Brian
>
> I think you might have two problems here - one is the boot partition
> being under 1024 cylinders, but the other is the recognition of the
> drive total size. I just bought a new system with a 20G drive on it. I
> tried five different distributions to compare them - I had the same
> problem with SuSE 6.4 (even with the boot below 1024) - it thought it
> was going onto a 8G drive - the only distro which recognized the real
> size of the disk "out of the box" was Mandrake 7.0.
>
> So - check you partition table, but if that doesn't work ask SuSE or
> try
> another Distro.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Paul
IIRC this is a known problem with fdisk and one should use cfdisk
for large harddisks (which would mean one does not have to change
the distro but only the partitioning tool).
HTH
Sven
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From: John in SD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Athlon recomendations
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:54:36 GMT
I have been running a BCM/GVC mobo with an early Athlon 600 since Sept 99.
Maxtor IDE disks (3). The system is rock solid. I have RH6.1 running now.
--John Coffman
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 05:01:13 +0000, Christopher Segot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hello, I am about to upgrade my system, I am considering an athlon with
>redhat, however on their hcl they say that the athlon may not work
>depending on the system config. Can anybody recomend a good
>mboard,cpu,hd combo ?
>thanks alot.
>
>
>Chris
LILO version 21.4.3 (06-May-2000) source at
ftp: sd.dynhost.com dir: /pub/linux/lilo
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From: "Thomas Hartmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hauppauge WinTV DVB
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:04:39 +0200
Hello to you!!
Is it possible to use a Win TV DVB Card from Hauppauge with Linux????
Greetings
-Tom
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