Hi,
I have detailed replies for some of your whines, but those trees might
hide the forest:
There is absolutely no sense in having a local list not in Hebrew. If
you suggest to any Linux user group in Japan, Sweden, Germany, or any
other non-english-speaking language that the main mailing list should be
in english you will simply be laughed off.
The only the linux-il list was not in Hebrew from the first place is
that Linux support for Hebrew was abysmal. This situation has now
changed, so the argument might be if support is good enough already, or
not. But saying that the discussions should be in english is just
ridiculous. As is the english of most of the posters to this list.
Moshe Zadka wrote:
> > on basically any X distibution you can run:
> >
> > xterm -fn heb8x13
>
> Which Debian package should I install for that?
> Pain.
I am not sure about debian, but on MDK8.1, it is XFree86 package.
Pain indeed. That's why I use svgalib.
> > consolechars -f iso08.f16 -m iso08
>
> ..if you don't use svgatextmode, and if your terminal is 80x25.
> Pain.
???
The only thing that might need to change is the 16. kbd comes with iso08
fonts of size 8 and 14 as well, which are the sizes that most other
fonts have, so you probably use one of those sizes.
And svgatextmode has no chipset autodetection system, so you _must_ edit
the config file, how come changing the font option there is such a pain?
> > Hebrew fonts installed. In this case there are other sources for fonts,
> > e.g: MS-typography mentioned above, as well as Snunit's "web fonts".
>
> ..what if you're on a publically accessible system, like a web-cafe?
> Pain.
I assume that in Israel web-cafes will have hebrew fonts. The only one
I have been to abroad, had hebrew fonts as well. And linux-il was not
high on my priority list at that time.
The painful situation you describe is that you are abroad for some
period of time, only have a web-cafe as an access, it does not have
hebrew fonts, you can't install such, and you really want to read
linux-il then - highly unlikely.
> > In the linux console you should use the keymap "il-8859_8" (not sure about
> > the name, this is the name from Mandrake 8.1, I an still see there a
> > bogus "hebrew" keymap.)
>
> ..and all you need to do it is search the HOWTOs and FAQs about how to do
> it, and which is the correct one.
> Pain.
RTFM is such a pain. That's why Linux kernel comes with a paperclip that
knows what you want to do and does it for you.
> > I find that for reading Hebrew mail it is enough to have a terminal
> > emulation with reasonable bidi support.
>
> ..unless you happen to work from the Linux console terminal emulator.
> Pain.
There are solutions even in the console, and it can be automated in most
mailers. A lot less painful then reading PGP encrypted messages for
example. Even less painful then reading ROT-13'd messages.
> > Except in composing, with some configuration work you can probably
> > configure your environment to read Hebrew in a text-mode mail client.
>
> ..if you have a free week for all the tweaks and beta tests
Isn't this exactly the main argument for windows against
> And this is somehow supposed to justify sending hebrew e-mail to this
> mailing list? Or, for a bigger laugh, to gnubies-il?
As witnessed on this list many times, it is probably easier to setup
hebrew support in Linux, then getting a Linux home PC connected to the
internet. ADSL, Winmodem, or PCI real modem, you choose.
--
Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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